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  • #21
    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by PSUMark View Post
    I understand what you're saying but I disagree. There's a difference between "dated" and "timeless."
    I agree, you and I may know the timelessness of such rides but the average vacationer may not.
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    • #22
      Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

      Well said, PSUMark.


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      • #23
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        WDW is really dated... In my opinion, they need to step up their game a bit.
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        • #24
          Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

          When I first went to Disneyworld in 1999 I also visited IOA. It was easily my favorite park of the trip and still my favorite thing in Orlando when I visit.

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          • #25
            Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

            Originally posted by Melonballer View Post
            When I first went to Disneyworld in 1999 I also visited IOA. It was easily my favorite park of the trip and still my favorite thing in Orlando when I visit.
            Which one was?
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            • #26
              Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

              Originally posted by Grinning Ghost View Post
              Which one was?
              IOA or Islands of Adventure.

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              • #27
                Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

                Originally posted by Melonballer View Post
                IOA or Islands of Adventure.
                Oh...

                This was what I got to see of IOA the last time I was there:



                It wasn't there yet! All I got to see was the Universal Studios park, which just seemed like a continuation of the Disney-MGM Studios to me. So similar.
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                • #28
                  Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

                  PERSONAL OPINION AHEAD! Here I am going to make a list of attractions that I FEEL are dated, and that I FEEL are timeless.

                  MK
                  Tomorrowland dated:
                  1. Stiches Great Escape
                  2. Monster's Inc Laugh Floor
                  3. Carousel of Progress (final scene)

                  Tomorrowland timeless:
                  1. People Mover
                  3. Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin

                  Fantasyland Dated:
                  none

                  Fantasyland Timeless:
                  1. Snow Whites's Scary Adventure
                  2. Philharmagic
                  3. Peter Pan
                  4. It's a Small World
                  5. Dumbo
                  6. Pooh
                  7. Mad Tea Party

                  Toon Town Fair dated:
                  1. Judge's Tent

                  Toon Town Fair timeless:
                  none

                  Liberty Square dated:
                  1. Hall of Presidents

                  Liberty Square timess:
                  1. Haunted Mansion
                  2. River Boat

                  Frontierland dated:
                  1. Country Bear Jamboree

                  Fronteirland timeless:
                  1. Splash Mountain

                  Adventureland dated:
                  1. Enchanted Tiki Room Under New Management

                  Adventureland timeless:
                  2. Jungle Cruise

                  Epcot
                  Discoveryland dated:
                  1. Universe of Energy
                  2. Test Track
                  3. Innoventions
                  4. Honey I Shrunk the Audience
                  5. Journey Into Your Imagination
                  6. The Circle of Life
                  7. Mission: Space

                  Discoveryland Timeless
                  1. Spaceship Earth
                  2. Soarin'
                  3. Living with the land

                  World Showcase dated:
                  1. O' Canada
                  2. Gran Fiesta Tour

                  World Showcase timeless:
                  1. Malestrom
                  2. The American Adventure

                  Disney Hollywood Studios dated:
                  1. Rockin' Roller coaster
                  2. The Art of Animation
                  3. American Idol
                  4. Backlot Tour
                  5. Honey I Shrunk the Audience playground
                  6. Muppets 4-D
                  7. Indiana Jones: Epic Stunt Show Spectacular
                  8. Star Tours
                  9. Drew Carey Sounds Dangerous
                  10. Playhouse Disney

                  Disney Hollywood Studios Timeless:
                  1. Tower of Terror
                  2. The Great Movie Ride

                  Disney's Animal Kingdom Dated:
                  1. Dinosaur
                  2. It's tough to be a bug
                  3. Festival of the Lion King (it pains me to put this on here)
                  4. Finding Nemo the Musical
                  5. Flights of Wonder

                  Disney's Animal Kingdom Timeless:
                  1. Kilimanjaro's Safari
                  2. Expedition Everest
                  3. Kali River Rapids
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                  • #29
                    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

                    I was pleasantly surprised by Monsters Laugh Floor at MK. I've only been on it once some maybe the replay value is low. I'll have to try it again and see.

                    But...

                    How is Rockin Roller Coaster and Test Track dated? Or answer this how does Soarin make the cut for timeless and not Test Track?

                    (I understand its you're opinion, but I was just curious as to how you ranked those three in particular).
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                      • #31
                        Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

                        Originally posted by KingEric View Post
                        PERSONAL OPINION AHEAD! Here I am going to make a list of attractions that I FEEL are dated, and that I FEEL are timeless.

                        MK
                        Tomorrowland dated:
                        1. Stiches Great Escape
                        2. Monster's Inc Laugh Floor
                        3. Carousel of Progress (final scene)

                        Tomorrowland timeless:
                        1. People Mover
                        3. Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin

                        Fantasyland Dated:
                        none

                        Fantasyland Timeless:
                        1. Snow Whites's Scary Adventure
                        2. Philharmagic
                        3. Peter Pan
                        4. It's a Small World
                        5. Dumbo
                        6. Pooh
                        7. Mad Tea Party

                        Toon Town Fair dated:
                        1. Judge's Tent

                        Toon Town Fair timeless:
                        none

                        Liberty Square dated:
                        1. Hall of Presidents

                        Liberty Square timess:
                        1. Haunted Mansion
                        2. River Boat

                        Frontierland dated:
                        1. Country Bear Jamboree

                        Fronteirland timeless:
                        1. Splash Mountain

                        Adventureland dated:
                        1. Enchanted Tiki Room Under New Management

                        Adventureland timeless:
                        2. Jungle Cruise

                        Epcot
                        Discoveryland dated:
                        1. Universe of Energy
                        2. Test Track
                        3. Innoventions
                        4. Honey I Shrunk the Audience
                        5. Journey Into Your Imagination
                        6. The Circle of Life
                        7. Mission: Space

                        Discoveryland Timeless
                        1. Spaceship Earth
                        2. Soarin'
                        3. Living with the land

                        World Showcase dated:
                        1. O' Canada
                        2. Gran Fiesta Tour

                        World Showcase timeless:
                        1. Malestrom
                        2. The American Adventure

                        Disney Hollywood Studios dated:
                        1. Rockin' Roller coaster
                        2. The Art of Animation
                        3. American Idol
                        4. Backlot Tour
                        5. Honey I Shrunk the Audience playground
                        6. Muppets 4-D
                        7. Indiana Jones: Epic Stunt Show Spectacular
                        8. Star Tours
                        9. Drew Carey Sounds Dangerous
                        10. Playhouse Disney

                        Disney Hollywood Studios Timeless:
                        1. Tower of Terror
                        2. The Great Movie Ride

                        Disney's Animal Kingdom Dated:
                        1. Dinosaur
                        2. It's tough to be a bug
                        3. Festival of the Lion King (it pains me to put this on here)
                        4. Finding Nemo the Musical
                        5. Flights of Wonder

                        Disney's Animal Kingdom Timeless:
                        1. Kilimanjaro's Safari
                        2. Expedition Everest
                        3. Kali River Rapids

                        I disagree with only a few and would probably add a few more so overall, good list. What's most interesting to me is if you start to add the date the attraction opened to those "dated" attractions. The majority of those would be considered "new".


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                        • #32
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                          I get asked where to find Butterbeer all the time... in the Magic Kingdom. THAT speaks volumes.
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                          • #33
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                            • #34
                              Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

                              Originally posted by nicoleloveswalt View Post
                              I don't understand what's so good about IOA all of a sudden. I can understand its appeal to the sort that like Six Flags, but as someone who has been three times, most recently to check out Harry Potter, I just don't get it.

                              Themeing is only minimal in the park. The Wizarding World is extremely well done, but soon as you step outside the perimeter of the area, the big white building that houses Forbidden Journey is impossible to ignore. Besides Wizarding World/Lost Continent, none of the Islands really appeals to me. I love Port of Entry, and it seems to be the only part of the original park that they went all out on; Toon Lagoon and Marvel Superhero Island are collections of cut-outs. I love Dr. Seuss, but Seuss Landing is very much focused on children, and the rides are in a state of disrepair (The High in the Sky Trolley, one of my favourites from my last trip, is visibly grimy and disgusting, and I had to ride, due to the two seaters, with an exasperated camp counsellor and her two wards who shouted through the whole ride).

                              There's nothing in the park that can be described as 'for the whole family', my sister is afraid of dinosaurs, and none of us felt like getting wet, so Jurassic Park and most of Toon Lagoon were out. My mom and I don't do rollercoasters, so all of those were out. Spider-Man has made me ill in the past, and I know next to nothing about Spiderman, so I don't enjoy the ride and its string of random villains, but I rode it to appease my sister, and most of the video screens didn't work, our vehicle stopped moving and we were in pitch black for a few minutes; when I reported it to the employee at the exit all he could tell me was 'If you want to ride again you have to wait in line'. Even Forbidden Journey, the headliner attraction, is not at all family friendly; with its combination of video screens and fast movement, all three of us (including my never motion sick sister) felt woozy after the ride. Yes, Hogwarts is a sight to see, and the ride itself is a showcase of technology, but I still need to close my eyes during that Quidditch scene.

                              The things that are made for us are lame. Poseidon's Fury? Awful. Sinbad is entertaining, but out of place. We've always wanted to try those Pteranodon Flyers (I love heights), but unfortunately, we exceed the height limit.

                              All of that, and the employees are simply rude. My mother accidentally walked out of the (unmarked) exit from the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, and as she backtracked her few steps to correct her mistake, the woman at the barrier, without even stopping to question, began to scream at her and threaten to call security. Trust me, it is not fun seeing your mother cry on what is supposed to be a fun day at a theme park.

                              Universal Studios is vastly superior in whole family entertainment, in my opinion. the Studios has ET, Jaws, the Horror Make-Up Show; and New York, San Francisco, and Amity have some of the best themeing in Orlando. It also has the best use of holograms at the resort, at Disaster!, where, for a good ten minutes, Christopher Walken is *on* stage, it's amazing.

                              Don’t get me wrong, Wizarding World is an outstanding achievement, but if it was built at the Studios instead, I would not have a single reason to visit the overhyped Islands of Adventure.



                              Yeesh, that doesn't sound like a good experience. And things might have changed with the employees now that they have a real busy park all of a sudden. They might not be so used to the large assortment of guests and all that implies, both good and the bad.

                              Sounds to me as if some of the ride effects were run down as well which is disappointing.


                              I agree with just about everything you said about Islands of Adventure as far as the individual lands and attractions go. There are a lot of cardboard cut-out lands. But at the same time, when I went just 2 years ago, I was really impressed with how far Universal has come. Spider-Man truly was one incredible attraction. By far the best thing I rode the entire week. The cast members too were all over the top amazing. Of course it didn't help that the WDW cast members that week were all way below average.

                              Perhaps it's because I've been to WDW several times and upon each visit, hardly anything new was added and what WAS added was terrible. In fact, more things were taken away.

                              With Universal, they've come along way with great innovative attractions like the ones at Islands of Adventure. The Mummy Returns coaster and Men in Black attractions were equally impressive in the original Studios park too.


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                              • #35
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                                I apologize that you had such a bad time at IOA, especially for someone who... goes all the time.

                                But as someone who has marketed IOA, and worked with UO, and been able to have the gloss and shine come off from being there a lot, I really don't understand where you are coming from.

                                The theming at IOA is top notch. Port of Entry is one of the most amazing entrances to a theme park. The theme of each land is pretty phenomenal, and when I was at IOA yesterday, I have to say that after being slammed by giant crowds all summer, the park is sparkling clean, and all the ride effects on all the rides were in top working order.

                                Also my experiences with Team Members at UOR and especially IOA has been a very pleasant one. I had people all day yesterday asking me if I was having fun, if I needed help with anything, and acting their role on their attraction.

                                When was the last time at a Disney park people actually got into the theme of their attraction?

                                Examples: Harry Potter - the line attendent calling everyone muggles, and trying to make the number in our party expand to larger numbers using a wand, and being upset his spell didn't work.
                                Rip it, Ride it, Rock it - during the safety check the team member asked everyone if they were ready to Rock.
                                Men in Black - Everyone was was in great character with their stoic faces, and telling us to take the training seriously. lol
                                E.T. - the ride operators were asking everyone "are you read to help e.t.?"

                                That kind of in character approach to the attractions i just die and go to heaven over.
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                                • #36
                                  Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

                                  Originally posted by Maverick View Post
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                                  How is Rockin Roller Coaster and Test Track dated? Or answer this how does Soarin make the cut for timeless and not Test Track?

                                  (I understand its you're opinion, but I was just curious as to how you ranked those three in particular).
                                  My reasoning...
                                  Rockin' Roller Coaster is dated because of it's tie in with Aerosmith.
                                  Test Track is dated because of the pre-show, and the vehicle is a 1996 sedan.

                                  I put Soarin' on the dated, then took it off... and maybe it doesn't belong on the timeless. The pre-show is already dated, and even some of the video footage is already dated... hence my dilema.
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                                  • #37
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                                    The big problem with your list is that it makes no provision for attractions that are neither dated nor timeless. Example: Uni's Revenge of the Mummy ride. Right now it's about a recent film series and features a popular actor. It's current. But it's not going to stay that way.

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                                    • #38
                                      Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

                                      Originally posted by Bystander View Post
                                      The big problem with your list is that it makes no provision for attractions that are neither dated nor timeless. Example: Uni's Revenge of the Mummy ride. Right now it's about a recent film series and features a popular actor. It's current. But it's not going to stay that way.
                                      And that is fair. But Universal has shown that they keep things fresh.
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                                      • #39
                                        Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

                                        Originally posted by KingEric View Post
                                        I apologize that you had such a bad time at IOA, especially for someone who... goes all the time.

                                        But as someone who has marketed IOA, and worked with UO, and been able to have the gloss and shine come off from being there a lot, I really don't understand where you are coming from.

                                        The theming at IOA is top notch. Port of Entry is one of the most amazing entrances to a theme park. The theme of each land is pretty phenomenal, and when I was at IOA yesterday, I have to say that after being slammed by giant crowds all summer, the park is sparkling clean, and all the ride effects on all the rides were in top working order.

                                        I never had any issues with the cast at Universal, but I can definitely see the validity of their criticisms. I have talked to several people who have visited Islands of Adventure and shared the same complaints.

                                        The main complaint I've seen is that the spread of attractions leans too heavily on thrill rides. Unlike the Disney coasters, the ones at Islands of Adventure are definitely suited for thrill seekers. If you are with someone who cannot do intense coasters or hates getting wet (there is almost always one or more people in a party that falls into one or both categories), that instantly removes over half of the signature attractions at the park. There aren't very many signature attractions that all members of the family can enjoy together- Spiderman and the Forbidden Journey are perhaps the only major attractions that fit the distinction. These are the amazingly immersive attractions that the park needs more of to distinguish itself. Although both the Hulk and the Dragon Challenge are good coasters, they feel more at home at a Six Flags style coaster park than at a Universal theme park- especially considering the latter has always been known to rival Disney in the theming department.

                                        That brings me to my second point regarding the theming issues at Islands of Adventure. The main issue for me is that there is great disparity between the theming of the seperate islands of the park. There are some, like Port of Entry, Lost Continent, and WWOHP that are beautifully themed with attention to detail matching Disney's. But then you have areas like Marvel Super Hero Island and Toon Lagoon which are themed minimally with cutboard cutouts and flats. There is a shocking difference between the detailed theming of some areas of the park versus the cheap theming of others. Unlike Disney parks, there is a ton of exposed show buildings and unthemed coaster track at Islands of Adventure that is a major source of complaint for fans who wish to be fully immersed in an environment. These are the little details, of course, but they are what sets Disney theming apart from Universal's.

                                        I am a big fan of Islands of Adventure, but the Disney fan in me cannot ignore the faults in theme and immersion at the park.

                                        EDIT: Forgot to mention. Although I didn't see any litter problems at the park, some parts of the park were in dire need of maintenance. Faded colors and chipped paint were quite widespread in the park, especially in Seuss Landing and Toon Lagoon. Not sure if those have been fixed, but it was something that I remember quite vividly from my previous trip.
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                                        • #40
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                                          I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Disney is in general riding on the coattails of their past success, and relying a lot on their reputation. While much money has been spent in California at DCA to revamp that park, it was only done after the park proved to be a complete loser. Not to mention, though there are some really neat additions being planned and implemented there and elsewhere, I wouldn't call anything they have announced plans for groundbreaking or really innovative.

                                          Just my opinion.

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