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  • Imagineer Scott
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by KingEric View Post
    Thanks for calling me a troll.
    *foot in mouth*

    You must understand that these threads only get people each other at people's throats- and they only state your opinion. And my opinion, while blunt (troll comment was so out of line with what I meant), is very different than yours.



    Originally posted by KingEric View Post
    I was in no way looking to start an argument, but I wanted to share some fresh uninfluenced opinions on the parks.

    This was an actual conversation.
    You will not find that here, nor anywhere. Sorry lol

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  • Bags deserves bett
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    That theory could also be taken to Animal Kingdom

    Since

    Finding Nemo & Lion King are great shows

    Bug's life is a solid interactive movie

    Everest and the Safari are both top attractions in Orlando

    with Dinosaur and Rapids are good but could have been better


    The Carnival in Dinoland occupies time, Rafki Planet Watch for most is not repeated and the two walk/treks are good but not something that would merit a cross country/ocean trip to see

    Animal Kingdom needs depth:

    Whether it had been a Beastly Kingdom or a less expensive idea of building out Camp Minnie Mickey towards an Animal "Fantasy Land"

    with dark rides for Bambi, Lion King, Jungle Book

    and another area for Lady & the Tramp, 101 Dalamations, & Aritsocats if you wanted to go really crazy with theme


    And for those Beastly Kingdom fanatics

    Why not beyond Asia and Nemo to encircle the pond for a future World of Color Show, The beast would fit in better with the Yeti and the Dino's than next to Africa anyways.

    Also they could close Africa, Rafki, and the Walk/Treks at the same time and still have areas open for night time that are not directly effecting the "stars" of the park

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  • KingEric
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by Bags deserves bett View Post
    Here is the problem in rating IOA as a theme park for most I guess

    The rides they have are exceptional but the park lacks depth of rides

    So on a busy day at MK when you can only ride so many attractions and alot are not E tickets, you feel a let down

    Both parks would have seven "E" tickets with some dropping and some added based on personal opinoun

    IOA
    Hulk
    Spiderman
    Dudley Do Right
    Popeye
    Jur. River Adventure
    Dueling Dragons (count as 1 or 2)
    Forbidden Journey

    MK
    Jungle Cruise
    POTC
    Splash
    Big Thunder
    Haunted Mansion
    Space Mountain

    While on the second tier
    IOA
    Cat and the Hat
    Hippogrif ?????
    One Fish ??????
    Carsuessal ?????
    Storm ????

    MK
    Pooh
    Buzz
    Barnstormer???
    Indy
    Peter Pan
    Dumbo
    Alladian
    Snow White
    Carrosuel ??
    Tea cups ???



    Third Tier
    IOA
    IIRTZ
    PF
    my ship the olive


    MK
    Stich
    People Mover
    TSI
    Riverboat
    CoP

    Where MK kills IOA is on depth of attractions and theming while IOA top 6 attractions in some/most are equal or better than MK top 6 rides
    this is a fair criticism

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  • Bags deserves bett
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Here is the problem in rating IOA as a theme park for most I guess

    The rides they have are exceptional but the park lacks depth of rides

    So on a busy day at MK when you can only ride so many attractions and alot are not E tickets, you feel a let down

    Both parks would have seven "E" tickets with some dropping and some added based on personal opinoun

    IOA
    Hulk
    Spiderman
    Dudley Do Right
    Popeye
    Jur. River Adventure
    Dueling Dragons (count as 1 or 2)
    Forbidden Journey

    MK
    Jungle Cruise
    POTC
    Splash
    Big Thunder
    Haunted Mansion
    Space Mountain

    While on the second tier
    IOA
    Cat and the Hat
    Hippogrif ?????
    One Fish ??????
    Carsuessal ?????
    Storm ????

    MK
    Pooh
    Buzz
    Barnstormer???
    Indy
    Peter Pan
    Dumbo
    Alladian
    Snow White
    Carrosuel ??
    Tea cups ???



    Third Tier
    IOA
    IIRTZ
    PF
    my ship the olive


    MK
    Stich
    People Mover
    TSI
    Riverboat
    CoP

    Where MK kills IOA is on depth of attractions and theming while IOA top 6 attractions in some/most are equal or better than MK top 6 rides

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  • TDR_Fan
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by Imagineer Scott View Post
    Uni is just as dated as WDW- but I would argue that both places are in relatively amazing shape compared to your other theme parks around the world.

    In fact, I think the OP was trolling because anyone who recently went to IoA and was 100% unbiased should have noticed the conditions of MSI and TL. It's pretty bad and they need their common refurbs soon. Jaws is... dated. So is T2 and Shrek is looking dated too. They both are 'dated'

    The opinions in the original post are unbiased because the people interviewed did not have any previous expectations of either Universal or Walt Disney World. They went simply to have fun and were not looking at little things like maintenance. For them, I can definitely see how Universal would look more "fresh" (not physically newer, as you describe) in that the franchises represented are still relatively new compared to some of Disney's.

    The poster clearly mentioned that these were only subjective views and that everyone's opinions are different, so there is no reason to accuse them of trolling. What one person enjoys about Disney parks may not hold true for another person. Same for Universal's parks.

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  • KingEric
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by Imagineer Scott View Post
    Uni is just as dated as WDW- but I would argue that both places are in relatively amazing shape compared to your other theme parks around the world.

    In fact, I think the OP was trolling because anyone who recently went to IoA and was 100% unbiased should have noticed the conditions of MSI and TL. It's pretty bad and they need their common refurbs soon. Jaws is... dated. So is T2 and Shrek is looking dated too. They both are 'dated'
    I was in no way looking to start an argument, but I wanted to share some fresh uninfluenced opinions on the parks.

    This was an actual conversation.

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  • Coheteboy
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by Imagineer Scott View Post
    Uni is just as dated as WDW- but I would argue that both places are in relatively amazing shape compared to your other theme parks around the world.

    In fact, I think the OP was trolling because anyone who recently went to IoA and was 100% unbiased should have noticed the conditions of MSI and TL. It's pretty bad and they need their common refurbs soon. Jaws is... dated. So is T2 and Shrek is looking dated too. They both are 'dated'


    It's fine if you have a different opinion but please don't call the other posters "trolls".

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  • KingEric
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by Imagineer Scott View Post
    In fact, I think the OP was trolling because anyone who recently went to IoA and was 100% unbiased should have noticed the conditions of MSI and TL. It's pretty bad and they need their common refurbs soon. Jaws is... dated. So is T2 and Shrek is looking dated too. They both are 'dated'
    Thanks for calling me a troll.

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  • Imagineer Scott
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Uni is just as dated as WDW- but I would argue that both places are in relatively amazing shape compared to your other theme parks around the world.

    In fact, I think the OP was trolling because anyone who recently went to IoA and was 100% unbiased should have noticed the conditions of MSI and TL. It's pretty bad and they need their common refurbs soon. Jaws is... dated. So is T2 and Shrek is looking dated too. They both are 'dated'

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  • lily23
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Agreed. Any company that has been the industry leader for years or decades should not rest on their laurels and assume they can't be outdone by someone else. Just ask IBM

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  • jonyyeh
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    Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey and The Amazing Adventures of Spiderman are amazing rides and I will definitely ride them again the next time I hit IOA.

    However, there are some cons with both of these signature rides.

    For Harry Potter, the white show building is visible from the entrance area of the park and especially between Jurassic Park and the Wizarding World of Harry Potter area. To me that screams bad show instantly, as Disney still makes sure that the illusion of another buildings are preserved. Heck, even the Soarin' building at Epcot is painted sky blue to make it blend into the sky when seen from World Showcase. At least I think that Universal should paint the building sky blue rather than leave it a obliviously white building.

    For Spiderman, the theming is great and the ride is amazing. However, I feel that they should have put seat belts or individual secured lap bars on the "vehicle". I always feel like I am being moved around too much on that ride due to the single lap bar for that row. However, I guess it would then be harder to accommodate people with larger sizes (witch is Harry Potter's problem).

    As for Universal Studios Florida, I love the backlot area. It's better than Disney's Hollywood Studios' backlot area (too much cheapness and not enough detail). My sister from the Bay Area even found authentic touches in the San Fransisco area with such names as the Buena Vista Cafe. And Disaster is better than the DHS Backlot Tour.

    However, while Rip Ride Rockit is amazing as a roller coaster, I feel that it is out of place themewise. It sticks out too much as a roller coaster throughout the whole park because its looms over the park without much of a reason for it to be there. To me, while you can select the music and the vehicles are colorful, its fits more in a Six Flags park (if Six Flags would spend that much money on such a roller coaster) that Disney. Honestly, its is not a must ride for me because of that. Plus, I rather ride DHS's Rock n' Roller Coaster because it is themed from start to finish. Even California Screamin' fits in better and blends in better with DCA (even with its new and improved theming) that Rip Ride Rockit fits in with USF. Plus, their On Board Soundtracks fit in much better with the ride.

    A another major problem with Universal, except when USF has Universal 360, there is nothing to keep people in at night. I always went to IOA at night because I could count on thiner crowds during the night than during the day. Sure, its Universal's neighbors (who apparently were around before USF and IOA were built) that keep Universal from being able to create nighttime shows for both parks that could rival Disney's. But still, people flock to Disney during the night for Wishes, Fantasmic!, and IllumniNations because they're amazing to watch.

    While I consider Universal's individual achievements with Harry Potter and Spiderman and Universal's collective ability to create a studio theme park (hey, they have the largest movie studio in the world) to rival Disney's, overall Disney still has the advantage with its amazing theming and the classic attractions that touch our hearts. However, that's doesn't meant I don't think that Disney doesn't need to create better attractions. Disney still NEEDS to. This is the company that created the experiences (Indiana Jones Adventure, Soarin', etc.) that certainly helped inspire Universal to take it to the next level. Disney definitely can take it to the next level, and should.

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  • Coheteboy
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by PSUMark View Post
    And maybe I'm just blindly optimistic, but I do hold out hope that one day - hopefully soon - the lame duck management that WDW's been saddled with for over 16 years now will experience a Matt Ouimet-style change and WDW will get some of the TLC it's needed for a long time.
    I think that's how all of us Disneylanders felt between 1997-2005. It was a terrible time when everything new was absolutely terrible.

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  • DisneyWed
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    We have a goal - to go to Disneyland Paris on our 5th wedding anniversary and the Asian parks on the 15th and 20th Anniversary. Thankfully we can still afford to goto WDW twice a year, and to DL once every 3 years. I'm not a puriest, and love WDW the most. I enjoy DL but won't say I'd rather go there than WDW. Once every 3 years is enough for me.
    In seven years we intend on selling our house and moving to Celebration, FL, that way we can be as close to WDW as possible. I hope to be a corporate Cast Member someday and my husband wants to work at Epcot on the grounds crew. (horticulture)

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  • Grinning Ghost
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by PSUMark View Post
    Speaking as an east coast native who has been to all 5 resorts...


    I am so jealous! How could anyone afford to go to all five resorts??? I can only seem to afford to go to WDW about once every 15-20 years on average. If I'm super-careful, I just might be able to go again in March of 2012.

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  • PSUMark
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by Coheteboy View Post
    OH and getting back on topic, I spoke with a cast member who has to do a lot of traveling between Florida and CA working at both parks. He's FROM FLA and after spending a lot of time on both, his favorite is DL. Once he got past the smallness, he was able to see how much was always going on in the west coast parks. But that's his opinion and may not be the others.

    I find that those who spend a lot of time going to both frequently end up feeling this way.
    Speaking as an east coast native who has been to all 5 resorts... I definitely consider DL to be the best resort in the US (surpassed only by TDL) in terms of objective quality. It's obvious that management cares a lot more there - and that's reflected in higher standards of maintenance, regular plussing and updating of attractions, and (IMHO) friendlier CMs.

    However, WDW still has a special place in my heart that I don't think will ever be replaced. It's the place I grew up at. And the one thing that WDW has that no other resort will ever have is the ability to never leave or see anything but Disney property for the entire duration of your visit. If you want, you can experience *zero* intrusion by the real world there for a week or more... That's something unique and special that I still appreciate about WDW. And maybe I'm just blindly optimistic, but I do hold out hope that one day - hopefully soon - the lame duck management that WDW's been saddled with for over 16 years now will experience a Matt Ouimet-style change and WDW will get some of the TLC it's needed for a long time.

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  • Coheteboy
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    OH and getting back on topic, I spoke with a cast member who has to do a lot of traveling between Florida and CA working at both parks. He's FROM FLA and after spending a lot of time on both, his favorite is DL. Once he got past the smallness, he was able to see how much was always going on in the west coast parks. But that's his opinion and may not be the others.

    I find that those who spend a lot of time going to both frequently end up feeling this way.

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  • Coheteboy
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by Grinning Ghost View Post
    Not on the East Coast. "Take 95 to the Harbor Tunnel to get downtown." or "Go up 83 to York and hang a right on 30." is how it would be said here. Alternatively, the term I-95 (or whatever number) is also used for interstate highways, but never with "the" in front of it. Only when there is a nickname associated with a road do we use "the", such as "the beltway", "the JFX", "the BW Parkway". Also terms like "Route 40" are used - but only if you're on the West side of town. On the East side of town, "Route 40" is called Pulaski Highway, which Guy Fieri said on DDD was "the Pulaski Highway", which is incorrect, locally speaking.

    Other times the route number and name are used interchangeably, such as "Route 7" is also known as "Philadelphia Road". Again, never with "the" in front of it.

    A lot of the naming conventions are simply traditions that the locals just know.


    Come to think of it, people in CA do say "Take 91 West to 605 North". But yah, many do add "The". I find myself doing both. I'll try to pay more attention to it now.

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  • Grinning Ghost
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by Coheteboy View Post
    Taking THE five or THE ninetyone or the whatever freeway number is more proper. "Take Interstate 5" makes sense but what happens when you remove interstate? What does that mean? "Take 5". Take five what? Take five apples? It's not quite the same as telling someone to "Take 5th Street" because it's obvious that you're describing a street. Or you can drop street and it would be "Take 5th", which is still understandable.

    Take THE five implies highway. Makes perfect sense to me.
    Not on the East Coast. "Take 95 to the Harbor Tunnel to get downtown." or "Go up 83 to York and hang a right on 30." is how it would be said here. Alternatively, the term I-95 (or whatever number) is also used for interstate highways, but never with "the" in front of it. Only when there is a nickname associated with a road do we use "the", such as "the beltway", "the JFX", "the BW Parkway". Also terms like "Route 40" are used - but only if you're on the West side of town. On the East side of town, "Route 40" is called Pulaski Highway, which Guy Fieri said on DDD was "the Pulaski Highway", which is incorrect, locally speaking.

    Other times the route number and name are used interchangeably, such as "Route 7" is also known as "Philadelphia Road". Again, never with "the" in front of it.

    A lot of the naming conventions are simply traditions that the locals just know.
    Last edited by Grinning Ghost; 08-27-2010, 05:08 AM.

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  • Coheteboy
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    Originally posted by sportbettor View Post
    Just for clarifications sake, its only people in SoCal that say "the ___insert fwy here___". I really don't know why that is. People in the SF Bay Area never say that.

    Taking THE five or THE ninetyone or the whatever freeway number is more proper. "Take Interstate 5" makes sense but what happens when you remove interstate? What does that mean? "Take 5". Take five what? Take five apples? It's not quite the same as telling someone to "Take 5th Street" because it's obvious that you're describing a street. Or you can drop street and it would be "Take 5th", which is still understandable.

    Take THE five implies highway. Makes perfect sense to me.

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  • KingEric
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    Re: A completely fresh view on WDW and Orlando.

    Originally posted by JanetDisneyland View Post
    My favorite rides at the Magic Kingdom and Epcot are the original classic ones like Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise, Carousel of Progress, and Space Station Earth. What Disney needs to do is not tear down these rides and replace them with something different, especially with the later of the four, but re-energize them for the better, ie new audio animatronics and special effects that will attract new people, but still maintain the original ride's feel. I would like it if the Magic Kingdom kept it's original nostalgia, but re-energized it with elements of today's technology. The best of example of this is the Haunted Mansion.
    I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE CoP, and I want nothing more than for it to be current. In it's current form, only those of us who have a nostalgic love for it, can really endure it's embarrassing ending.

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