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    An article in Time Magazine discusses futurist Kurzweil and the predicted "singularity" (when computing power is so advanced in 2045, you can essentially download consciousness and humans will live forever).

    At one point, the article takes a dig at Tomorrowland:

    Singularity: Kurzweil on 2045, When Humans, Machines Merge - TIME

    At first I was indignant, but then I realized you can't really argue with that, especially in the context of the article.
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    Re: "Dated Tomorrowland"

    You should hardly be indignant. No one reads Time Magazine much these days.

    Nonetheless, Tomorrowland's past shows that nothing can be predicted.

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by StevenW View Post
      You should hardly be indignant. No one reads Time Magazine much these days.
      Ah. The "pay no attention to that canary in the coal mine" theory. In fact:
      "January marked a record number of readers for TIME.com, according to Omniture: 22.5 million unique visitors."

      Source here.

      Originally posted by StevenW View Post
      Nonetheless, Tomorrowland's past shows that nothing can be predicted.
      More to the point, Tomorrowland's sorry present shows that Disney can be predicted to keep its head in the past, among other places.
      "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
      it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
      together with every variety of recreation and fun,
      designed to appeal to everyone."

      - Walt Disney

      "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
      - Michael Eisner

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      • #4
        Re: "Dated Tomorrowland"

        Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
        Ah. The "pay no attention to that canary in the coal mine" theory. In fact:
        "January marked a record number of readers for TIME.com, according to Omniture: 22.5 million unique visitors."
        Source here.


        Pay no attention to the actual magazine (the print version), Time Magazine, the actual canary. Circulation went down. Good luck with that.

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        • #5
          Re: "Dated Tomorrowland"

          You look at WDW's tomorrowland, and everything screams 1970's. sure they have had updates, and sure cartoon characters have moved in, and sure things have been super stale like Carousel of Progress. In the end it can't escape it's streamlined cement structure design.
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          • #6
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            Originally posted by StevenW View Post
            Pay no attention to the actual magazine (the print version), Time Magazine, the actual canary. Circulation went down. Good luck with that.
            The numbers for print magazines, like print newspapers, are all falling. People read them online.

            The point is that Time.com has a strong readership, and blowing off the OP's quote because "nobody reads Time anymore" is as bogus as when Disney used to laugh off the internet in general, and Al Lutz in particular, as "nobody pays any attention to them."

            Disney and its defenders can play the denial card and spin the statistics all they want -- out in the real world, DL's and WDW's once-famous Tomorrowlands are a sad joke.
            "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
            it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
            together with every variety of recreation and fun,
            designed to appeal to everyone."

            - Walt Disney

            "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
            - Michael Eisner

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            • #7
              Re: "Dated Tomorrowland"

              Oh!
              BURN!
              Please keep your hands, arms, feet, and legs inside the forum at all times.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                The numbers for print magazines, like print newspapers, are all falling. People read them online.

                The point is that Time.com has a strong readership, and blowing off the OP's quote because "nobody reads Time anymore" is as bogus as when Disney used to laugh off the internet in general, and Al Lutz in particular, as "nobody pays any attention to them."

                Disney and its defenders can play the denial card and spin the statistics all they want -- out in the real world, DL's and WDW's once-famous Tomorrowlands are a sad joke.
                Nobody is in denial about Tomorrowland. I haven't heard anyone defend it here.

                But some quotes are not worth the effort that you bestow upon them as such.

                More to the point, Tomorrowland's sorry present shows that Disney can be predicted to keep its head in the past, among other places.
                No matter how terrible Tomorrowland is, it is merely an amusement park section of the park. Keep it in perspective.

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                • #9
                  Re: "Dated Tomorrowland"

                  How about a change to TL in the same vain as Disney Paris. Go with the Jules Verne theme. Then our short sighted friends at TDO won't have to even attempt to look forward.
                  Thanks Walt for having a vision and sticktoittivness. Thanks Roy for being by his side.

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by whtmtn View Post
                    How about a change to TL in the same vain as Disney Paris. Go with the Jules Verne theme. Then our short sighted friends at TDO won't have to even attempt to look forward.
                    How about us at DL can switch! You can give us the iron-age look and we could give you the 1800s Jules Verne look!

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                    • #11
                      Re: "Dated Tomorrowland"

                      Though I have all always thought that Tomorrowland at MK and Future World at Epcot was kind of redundant. Let's just make MK a toon park. Let's just come to grips with it, and toonify the whole flippin thing, and let Epcot be the real Tomorrowland.
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                      • #12
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                        I still think Magic Kingdom's tomorrowland looks better than the bronze-silver-bluish mess we have here in Anaheim. lol
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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by SS77 View Post
                          I still think Magic Kingdom's tomorrowland looks better than the bronze-silver-bluish mess we have here in Anaheim. lol
                          I won't disagree with that. At least WDW's Tomorrowland is mostly-cohesively themed and has a running PeopleMover. But Tomorrowlands aren't really something Disney does well, stateside at least. I wouldn't mind seeing either one go down for extended refurb.

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                          • #14
                            Re: "Dated Tomorrowland"

                            Dated Tomorrowland... But married Adventureland.

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                            • #15
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                              Who cares if Tomorrowland is outdated now, just read the article! By the time the human civilization reaches the Singularity, we'll be able to visit OUR OWN VERSION of a Disney theme park however and whenever we want. That's implying advanced artificial intelligence doesn't wipe us all out due to our slow progress, limited intelligence and expendable existence.

                              I just hope that one day I'll be able to explore the worlds of Disney and interact with the characters as if they were real people/toys/cars/robots/animals. Oh and I'm totally up for staying young FOREVER. Although I would never steal a magic baby and comb their 70 ft sun hair to do so. I see you Mother Gothel!!!

                              Today, I feel like driving through a cursed temple, taking a tour of a haunted antebellum mansion, plunging down a waterfall in a hollowed-out log, bobsledding down a famous swiss mountain, traveling through the darkest recesses of space, and watching fireworks explode over a fantastical castle.

                              Yeah, that sounds fun.

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                              • #16
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                                Originally posted by Drewfilmboy View Post
                                Although I would never steal a magic baby and comb their 70 ft sun hair to do so. I see you Mother Gothel!!!
                                And that is where we will have to agree to disagree. lol
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                                • #17
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                                  Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
                                  Dated Tomorrowland... But married Adventureland.
                                  Best post ever! It took me a minute to get it...

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                                  • #18
                                    Re: "Dated Tomorrowland"

                                    I'm glad someone got it.

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                                    • #19
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                                      Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                                      Disney and its defenders can play the denial card and spin the statistics all they want -- out in the real world, DL's and WDW's once-famous Tomorrowlands are a sad joke.
                                      As much of a joke as Bucky Fuller? Charles and Ray Eames? Take the latter for example:


                                      This, at one point in time was seen as forward thinking, innovative, futuristic. Sure, some can dismiss it as a blanket term like "retro" now, but the forms that defined the Atomic Exotica period have solidified their place as a well respected vision of the future. The idea of what the future could be never goes out of style. Take it for what you want, but far from a "joke" it is. Either way, it still represents a look to the future from a certain point in time. Just like the current Tomorrowland.

                                      Somehow, people seem to find fault in Disney for leaving a 70's/80's/90's view of the future, but are perfectly fine with a "Jules Verne" tomorrowland. Are these not essentially the same? Both are fantastical views of a world that will never come, and yet that's where this article, and many Disney fans seem to miss the point.

                                      Is Tomorrowland perfect? Well no. But is it aesthetically unpleasing or lacking in futuristic vision? No.

                                      Let me disclaim this, btw, that I am not for keeping the current Tomorrowland as is. I feel it needs to be added to and changed over time. I simply want to argue that it's not irrelevant in its intent to serve an aspirational nostalgia.

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                                      • #20
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                                        Disney needs to TRONify Tomorrowland.

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