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  • #21
    Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

    I wouldn't worry just yet for Disneyland. Team Disney Anaheim seems much to run their resort with much more competence and intelligence than their Orlando counterparts, and will hopefully avoid making some of the more bone-headed decisions being made in Florida. More importantly, since xPass won't debut at Disneyland until years after it premieres in Florida, that means Disney will likely observe how it goes in WDW and then change, scale back, or maybe even call off the project as necessary.

    As for WDW, it looks like TDO/Disney's desire to wring every penny from the parks has gone beyond the maintenance cutbacks and rising ticket prices, and has finally managed to disrupt the park-going experience itself. Gone are the days of Disney parks where "kings are commoners and commoners are kings." Now WDW promises more rides and better a park experience to those most willing to pay for them.

    How sad.
    Last edited by MarkTwain; 02-23-2012, 09:01 AM.

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    • #22
      Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

      Originally posted by JCSkipr79 View Post
      JimHill's record maybe...5yrs ago was horrible..remember Project Gemini? But he's been dead on on NextGen and Xpass. Hell, he broke that C3PO was going to pilot Star Tours before anyone else. He has been right more lately than before....

      ---------- Post added 02-22-2012 at 10:01 PM ----------

      Also, Tom Staggs hinted at this (teased?) last year, so it's HARDLY a JimHill thing.
      doesn't disregard the many other issues he has been wrong about on countless occasions. All I say is wait and see because I'm going to bet this doesn't materialize (or if it does not in the form previously discussed). the sky isnt falling as of yet JC.

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      • #23
        Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

        Originally posted by Magic Lamp View Post
        Whatever happened to just waiting in line?
        Or the alternative, hiring a Cast Member to escort you around and facilitating your visit they way it's always been done.

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        • #24
          Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

          Originally posted by MarkTwain View Post
          I wouldn't worry just yet for Disneyland. Team Disney Anaheim seems much to run their resort with much more competence and intelligence than their Orlando counterparts, and will hopefully avoid making some of the more bone-headed decisions being made in Florida. More importantly, since xPass won't debut at Disneyland until years after it premieres in Florida, that means Disney will likely observe how it goes in WDW and then change, scale back, or maybe even call off the project as necessary.
          I hope you're right. However, I would not put it past Disney not to implement this in some way at Disneyland, considering how they view the two properties to be as one in the same as possible.
          My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

          1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
          2. Pirates of the Caribbean
          3. Splash Mountain
          4. Mad Tea Party
          5. Peter Pan's Flight
          6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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          • #25
            Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

            Much as I hate the idea, I don't think it will ruin the experience for those of us who don't use X-Pass. If it costs that much, only a minority will use it, and then they will often forget what their reservation time was for a ride. Plus, if they reserve with X-Pass, that's one less person using a Fast Pass.

            This is not the end of the world. But the billion + being sunk into this project would have been far better used to create new rides/attractions, and replace the weaker ones.

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            • #26
              Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

              But what say ye if this means FastPass is removed?
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              • #27
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                I like the FP program, so I would not be pleased if X Pass replaces it. It would mean that a shorter line is only offered to those who can afford to pay -- and a lot more. I know you have to pay at Universal, but the price point is a lot lower, and their parks are less often badly crowded.

                However, if only a small minority uses X Pass, then the impact will be minimal. Also, in that case, I doubt that it would replace FPs.

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                • #28
                  Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                  Impact will solely be based on the affordability of the product. If Disney makes the price too low that a majority of on-site guests are willing take advantage of this, then yes it's going to be disastrous but I will reserve judgment until we know for sure what the pricing structure is going to be for the new system.

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                  • #29
                    Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                    Originally posted by toonaspie View Post
                    Impact will solely be based on the affordability of the product. If Disney makes the price too low that a majority of on-site guests are willing take advantage of this, then yes it's going to be disastrous but I will reserve judgment until we know for sure what the pricing structure is going to be for the new system.
                    I agree with this. Once pricing is known... however I am afraid of days when people are offered "free xPass and free dining"
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                    • #30
                      Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                      Well right now they haven't said there gonna be ripping the FP machines out of the ground but it seems more like a "reserve" a fastpass type of system.


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                      • #31
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                        *stamps feet*

                        They can't make me! I won't do it! I like to plan a WDW trip, but then I get to the parks and just wing it. Like last weekend. My original plan was to do just Epcot. I ended up spur of the moment doing 3 parks in one day. Was exhausting, but worth it as I'd suddenly decide, "Ok I want to go to DHS" or, "Ok let's go to MK". Not knowing what I do until I do it is half the fun and adventure of a WDW trip!

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                        • #32
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                          This is so ridiculous. It's bad enough with the dang dinning reservations being 180 days out. Now I have to book rides? This is very irritating and is going to turn a lot of visitors away from all this advanced booking. I want to vacation and relax not keep a schedule!


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                          • #33
                            Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                            Originally posted by aimster View Post
                            *stamps feet*

                            They can't make me! I won't do it! I like to plan a WDW trip, but then I get to the parks and just wing it. Like last weekend. My original plan was to do just Epcot. I ended up spur of the moment doing 3 parks in one day. Was exhausting, but worth it as I'd suddenly decide, "Ok I want to go to DHS" or, "Ok let's go to MK". Not knowing what I do until I do it is half the fun and adventure of a WDW trip!
                            And that is precisely why it will never work at the DLR as well.

                            DL as most on here know is a "locals park". But nice weather and other competing parks also means that this crowd can be very fickle and can literally change their mind on a moments notice to go to the beach or Knotts or Universal or wherever.

                            Xpass will never work out west because you can't have your local commit to going to DL 6 months in advance and if they do they can easily change their mind literally the day they are supposed to go.

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                            • #34
                              Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                              Originally posted by TONY THE BEAT View Post
                              This is so ridiculous. It's bad enough with the dang dinning reservations being 180 days out. Now I have to book rides? This is very irritating and is going to turn a lot of visitors away from all this advanced booking. I want to vacation and relax not keep a schedule!
                              Maybe I'm a bit off here since I've never actually gone on a cruise before, but it sounds very much like how a cruise works in terms of keeping a schedule. I don't hear too many complaints about that from cruisers, but I do know cruising is not for everyone.

                              I just honestly don't think that this is going to have the doomsday consequences that people here are saying it will. It's not like you won't be able to ride Space Mountain like you always have if you don't use Xpass. The ol' stand-by line will always be there for the people who, for reasons I can't begin to fathom, prefer to use it.

                              "Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom." -- James 3:13

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                              • #35
                                Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                If I have to plan every little minute of my day, I'd rather do a thru-hike. It's far more rewarding, and I get to eat a lot of chocolate.

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                                • #36
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                                  ORDDU: There are too many things that can happen at the last minute to ruin the plans you try to make--regardless of how well you plan things--particularly when you're out with family. What happens if your little duckling needs to use the restroom for a long period of time when you're scheduled watch a parade at a special location that was planned out?

                                  ORWEN: And what happens if you can't make it to the park on time, due to bad traffic even when you're already staying on property. Those Disney buses don't always seem to run on schedule, themselves!

                                  ORGOCH: An' what the Heck happens if'n yer standin' in line fer Big Thunder Thighs Mountain, only ta hear REAL thunder in the background where they has ta go an' shut down the whole dang ride--puttin' 'emselves behind schedule!!

                                  ORDDU: The potential for so many disruptions are endless--especially when you're trying to control that many guests every day.

                                  ORGOCH: I say don't fix what ain't broken! Call it off, call it off, CALL IT OFF!!!

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                                  • #37
                                    Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                    Originally posted by PeoplemoverMatt View Post

                                    I just honestly don't think that this is going to have the doomsday consequences that people here are saying it will. It's not like you won't be able to ride Space Mountain like you always have if you don't use Xpass. The ol' stand-by line will always be there for the people who, for reasons I can't begin to fathom, prefer to use it.
                                    Except now the standby line will become unnecessarily longer for a host of other attractions, even those which up until now have had pleasantly short or non-existant waits. Do Spaceship Earth and the Great Movie Ride really *need* Xpass?

                                    Xpass is, in reality, nothing more than a de facto price hike disguised as "guest service." A brand new revenue stream to solve a non-existant problem. A cynical money grab that reeks of extortion, from a company whose increasingly clear mission is to deliver less-- and charge more.

                                    DisCo is reaching directly into your wallet on this one, folks. Enjoy what's left of the good old days while they last.

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                                    • #38
                                      Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                      Originally posted by Virtual Toad View Post
                                      Except now the standby line will become unnecessarily longer for a host of other attractions, even those which up until now have had pleasantly short or non-existant waits. Do Spaceship Earth and the Great Movie Ride really *need* Xpass?

                                      Xpass is, in reality, nothing more than a de facto price hike disguised as "guest service." A brand new revenue stream to solve a non-existant problem. A cynical money grab that reeks of extortion, from a company whose increasingly clear mission is to deliver less-- and charge more.

                                      DisCo is reaching directly into your wallet on this one, folks. Enjoy what's left of the good old days while they last.
                                      Exactly, it's like management never spent a day in WDW.


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                                      • #39
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                                        So stupid. Spontaneity, what's that?
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                                        • #40
                                          Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                          It really is no different then the gate A pass at Universal which by the way you can really effect other guests with as i was asked on mummy what seat i wanted and i said the front and they asked the guest in the front to get out and we got in which i felt bad about since i thought we would get next car but i guess front of the line really ment front of the line! If this really prevents you from coming back to the park then i for one wave bye bye as that means one less person for me to deal with! It will have very little effect on the park experience Imo
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