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  • #61
    Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

    Originally posted by napeterson18 View Post




    I had assumed that the Fastpass systems and XPass would be working side by side and you would still be able to get priority entrance if you didn't plan ahead. Apparently not.
    Does anyone have any definitive info on this? Will Xpass replace Fastpass? Or will they operate together?

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    • #62
      Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

      Originally posted by Twist1234 View Post
      That doesn't make sense. Stops are far more common on rides like Haunted Mansion yet the line still "flows". I was surprised at how slow the line was when I rode Buzz.
      In my experiences especially in recent times ive seen more stops on buzz then HM. The two rides also have different types of queues causing different experiences. HM queue feels flowing as there are things to look at and they are wider lines with no back and forths. Buzz is all switchbacks causing a "jerky" line, nothing really to look at besides the buzz AA and therefore a slow feel.

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      • #63
        Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

        Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
        In my experiences especially in recent times ive seen more stops on buzz then HM. The two rides also have different types of queues causing different experiences. HM queue feels flowing as there are things to look at and they are wider lines with no back and forths. Buzz is all switchbacks causing a "jerky" line, nothing really to look at besides the buzz AA and therefore a slow feel.
        I haven't had that experience. For me, Buzz has never stopped but once in all my times going on the ride, while Haunted Mansion in recent visits has stopped 2 - 4 each time I've been on it. And I go on it at least three times in a visit.

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        • #64
          Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

          Originally posted by lily23 View Post
          Does anyone have any definitive info on this? Will Xpass replace Fastpass? Or will they operate together?
          no body has any definitive answer for anything in this area which is what Iv'e been trying to say the whole time lollll

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          • #65
            Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

            Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
            no body has any definitive answer for anything in this area which is what Iv'e been trying to say the whole time lollll
            It's not definitive by Disney, but the language and tone Al Lutz has been using points to it being a replacement of the Fastpass system.

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            • #66
              Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

              Originally posted by napeterson18 View Post
              It's not definitive by Disney, but the language and tone Al Lutz has been using points to it being a replacement of the Fastpass system.
              That just sounds weird. If they did that people would complain. Maybe they'll just rename the system?


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              • #67
                Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                Originally posted by napeterson18 View Post
                It's not definitive by Disney, but the language and tone Al Lutz has been using points to it being a replacement of the Fastpass system.
                Well, that would be a total drag. I hate pay for play, it's just flat-out not fair. Fastpass has its flaws, but at least it can be used by anyone and does not discriminate against those on a tight budget.

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                • #68
                  Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                  Originally posted by lily23 View Post
                  Well, that would be a total drag. I hate pay for play, it's just flat-out not fair. Fastpass has its flaws, but at least it can be used by anyone and does not discriminate against those on a tight budget.
                  I think the logic is people pay for 1st Class tickets and people who can't afford 1st Class enjoy coach.

                  Basically Disney feels like they are leaving money on the table by not offering more 1st Class experiences. So if you can tier the Disney experience so that people feel like they can pay for preferential treatment, while the "masses" get left behind that is money Disney wants to collect.

                  Mind you they could be destroying their longterm brand/identity for short term earnings and gain.

                  However I feel that if Disney got rid of FP and exchanged it for a system that was pretty invisible to average guests, guest would be waiting longer but not really know why.
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                  • #69
                    Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                    Originally posted by KingEric View Post
                    Mind you they could be destroying their longterm brand/identity for short term earnings and gain.
                    Yes that's it exactly, and I would add "loyalty from decades-old fanbase" to list of things they are destroying

                    Originally posted by KingEric View Post
                    However I feel that if Disney got rid of FP and exchanged it for a system that was pretty invisible to average guests, guest would be waiting longer but not really know why.
                    How could it be invisible, exactly?

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                    • #70
                      Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                      Originally posted by lily23 View Post
                      How could it be invisible, exactly?
                      Tourists don't have a note book and they don't note down FP/Stand-by line times into it.


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                      • #71
                        Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                        Originally posted by Twist1234 View Post
                        Tourists don't have a note book and they don't note down FP/Stand-by line times into it.
                        no, but it's very noticeable when people are racing by you in the FP line at space mountain or BTMR. I had friends from out of the country go to WDW recently; they didn't know anything about fastpass, so didn't take advantage of it. They sure noticed people getting into these very short lines, and it REALLY annoyed them

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                        • #72
                          Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                          Originally posted by lily23 View Post
                          no, but it's very noticeable when people are racing by you in the FP line at space mountain or BTMR. I had friends from out of the country go to WDW recently; they didn't know anything about fastpass, so didn't take advantage of it. They sure noticed people getting into these very short lines, and it REALLY annoyed them
                          This will be the main problem with the system, and in my opinion, be the thing that kills the 1st class mentality. If you indeed can only use XPass by planning ahead, you're going to get several guests complaining that they had no idea about the system until they were standing in line at Space Mountain and can subsequently do nothing about it.

                          It doesn't seem like it would be something that you could pay for at the gate, either, since it requires planning everything out. Interesting.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                            Originally posted by KingEric View Post
                            I think the logic is people pay for 1st Class tickets and people who can't afford 1st Class enjoy coach.

                            Basically Disney feels like they are leaving money on the table by not offering more 1st Class experiences. So if you can tier the Disney experience so that people feel like they can pay for preferential treatment, while the "masses" get left behind that is money Disney wants to collect.

                            Mind you they could be destroying their longterm brand/identity for short term earnings and gain.

                            However I feel that if Disney got rid of FP and exchanged it for a system that was pretty invisible to average guests, guest would be waiting longer but not really know why.
                            Except this IS NOT a "First Class" experience.

                            People who travel "First Class" hire a cast member to escort their families around and facilitate their visit. It only costs a couple of hundred dollars an hour, so figure add about a grand a day to your budget.

                            This is ... I dunno. Let's pretend this 'coach+' experience is First Class. Yee's "Declining By Degrees" once again...

                            And seeing this stuff, makes you wonder why you pay a premium in the first place...

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                            • #74
                              Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                              Originally posted by mikelieman View Post
                              Except this IS NOT a "First Class" experience.

                              People who travel "First Class" hire a cast member to escort their families around and facilitate their visit. It only costs a couple of hundred dollars an hour, so figure add about a grand a day to your budget.

                              This is ... I dunno. Let's pretend this 'coach+' experience is First Class. Yee's "Declining By Degrees" once again...

                              And seeing this stuff, makes you wonder why you pay a premium in the first place...
                              Fair enough. People who truly are "First Class" people do hire VIP Tour Guides. So I guess this would be "Business Class" ?
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                              • #75
                                Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                Ugh I don't want to be the guy who says "Walt would have done X" but didn't he think all guest should be treated equally (I might be off)?


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                                • #76
                                  Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                  Originally posted by KingEric View Post
                                  Fair enough. People who truly are "First Class" people do hire VIP Tour Guides. So I guess this would be "Business Class" ?
                                  Business Class while on Vacation. My brain just exploded with the brevity of the encapsulation of EVERYTHING WRONG with the place.

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                                  • #77
                                    Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                    Originally posted by mikelieman View Post
                                    Business Class while on Vacation. My brain just exploded with the brevity of the encapsulation of EVERYTHING WRONG with the place.
                                    Yeah, I think Disney is crossing a line here, one I'm not really comfortable with. Xpass will be far from invisible. Resentment breeds frustration. WDW will seem a lot more like the real world after this and that's a shame. Competition and class is replacing the feeling of togetherness that used to make visiting WDW, for lack of a better word, magical. It's intangible and hard to quantify but something worth considering.

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                                    • #78
                                      Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                      Originally posted by Twist1234 View Post
                                      Ugh I don't want to be the guy who says "Walt would have done X" but didn't he think all guest should be treated equally (I might be off)?
                                      And yet, in his bid to try and make his studio a worker's paradise, he ended up creating big divisions within his staff, especially in how much they made. Many in ink-and-paint were making some $20 a week, while his top animators made some $300. That's partially what led to the infamous strike of 1941, which in turn led Walt to believe that many of his animators were Communists.

                                      But I digress.
                                      My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

                                      1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
                                      2. Pirates of the Caribbean
                                      3. Splash Mountain
                                      4. Mad Tea Party
                                      5. Peter Pan's Flight
                                      6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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                                      • #79
                                        Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                        Originally posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
                                        And yet, in his bid to try and make his studio a worker's paradise, he ended up creating big divisions within his staff, especially in how much they made. Many in ink-and-paint were making some $20 a week, while his top animators made some $300. That's partially what led to the infamous strike of 1941, which in turn led Walt to believe that many of his animators were Communists.

                                        But I digress.
                                        But he took a "magical" vacation which fixed everything, right?
                                        Yeah I forgot how he just kept calling everyone communists within his own company.


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                                        • #80
                                          Re: Clock ticks closer to end of WDW experience

                                          Planning a vacation to WDW seems like it would be so much a hassle now. I'm glad that I'm a local and just go to it when I feel like it (rather, I'm glad that I can go to it when I feel like it before they implement XPass).

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