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  • #41
    Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Meaning no disrespect, but in the interest of accuracy, your argument in this and other WDW forum threads clearly has been that the criticism of WDW is without basis, and that the critics of WDW are seeing problems which are not there.
    No, I stand by my argument that "a true representation of the park's state of affairs should be present so people can make a slightly more accurate opinion on what they think of the park without actually being there". Just because I tell an opposing side of the story from your own, it doesn't mean I am trying to convince others to think the way I do. All I want is for the option to be available. All I can offer to this forum is my knowledge of the parks and my experiences, its all anyone here can offer to the ongoing discussion. I very recently had a positive experience that I could then compare to my past experiences and therefore create my opinion of the parks currently based on that. The bottom line is, and you never really addressed it in your counter argument, that there are two sides to this story and only one side is currently being told. I don't think my own personal opinions on the parks should affect that basic issue that is currently present.

    I also find it amusing that you took all your information on my beliefs about WDW as a whole from one post. do I believe those points about maintenance and cleanliness? yes without a doubt, when I visited in February, those fields were on par or at the very least comparable to that of my last DL visit. however is the park without issue? most certainly not and in fact there are just as many examples from my self giving mediocre to negative comments about the parks then positive ones, research for yourself. a perfect example of this is the Avatar addition which I have been one of the if not the largest proponent against its construction on the entire forum, along with countless other areas such as Imagination pavilion and the seas with nemo and friends. I just don't think the parks primary issues are at the maintenance area. So to conclude I think the next time before you make the accusation that I seek to invalidate other peoples opinions, you should do a little more research then pulling up one week old post. Talk about poorly veiled personal attacks on ones character....

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    • #42
      Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

      Originally posted by TylerDurden View Post
      Universal is the leader of the theme park industry right now (in Orlando at least). Attendance numbers aside, Universal has been the one not only upgrading their parkS with new experiences EVERY YEAR for the last FEW years, but doing so by using the latest in technology and innovative theming. When was the last time Disney announced four projects (a parade, watershow, state-of-the-art golf course, AND simulator based on a beloved franchise) for parks on either coast all for ONE YEAR? Come to think of it, when was the last time Disney came out with an innovative attraction at all? Indy, Tower of Terror? And those were all from the '90's...Universal has tapped into never-before-seen technology to create Spider-Man, The Mummy, and the crown jewel of all rides, Forbidden Journey all within the last few years. And Universal also has the ability to uniquely bend traditional rides (launch on the Hulk, dueling aspect of Dragom Challenge, major theming on Jurassic Park) to make them noteworthy and immersive experiences.
      If you think about it, Universal has been outdoing Disney for a while now, but Disney has always trumped their brand name...well turns out all Universal needed was the right brand to bring the people in, and now that they've done that, Disney needs to play catch up. All the people experiencing Harry Potter will also happen to see all the other great things Universal has been doing while Disney laid back and substituted branding for actual innovation, and will realize how great Universal is until the Disney brand name means diddly squat. And Universals not even done with Harry Potter yet, and I can assure you phase 2 won't be the last phase by any means.
      Disney, it's time to step it up, you're losing your audience and losing them quickly


      I think this really sums it up. WDW may still be a pleasant place to enjoy a vacation but the truth is, WDW is SLOW to add anything new and when they do, it's usually replacing something already there rather than adding to it.

      The new Fantasyland is the first thing in a very long time that actually adds NEW attractions, but even still, half of it was the existing Toon Town Fair.



      I think the major point is, WDW is treated as Walt Disney WORLD. It's the sum of all the parts. If one theme park gets something new, the other parks pretty much get a free pass to not do anything that year.

      I will admit that in the past two years, WDW has been getting more additions and that's great. But..... Universal is still doing a better job with more innovative technologies.


      Islands of Adventure opened in 2001 and at that point in time, they had Orlando's most impressive and amazing attraction in Spider-Man. You would THINK that in the following 10 years, Disney would have something that at least rivaled that. I do admit, I love Mission:Space but it has its flaws and I like it more for the thrill than the overall experience. I thought it was great fun but Spider-Man truly blew me away and knocked my socks off. So ten years later, Harry Potter ride would open and then blow away Spider-Man. Still nothing from Disney that came close.

      All the while, Animal Kingdom's Dinosaur would become less and less the thrill it used to be with broken effects. Expedition Everest would have a broken yeti that would never get fixed. And Splash Mountain, well, we all know that one.


      Also, Animal Kingdom had promised new lands within years of opening. That also didn't come to fruition. Sure, Asia was officially a land but that park is in need of more things to do.

      and again, I'll bring up the closure of the Pleasure Island bars that everyone loves so much, Wonders of Life Pavillion.... and seriously when are they going to update Tomorrowland Speedway?


      I don't think I'm asking for too much when I want WDW to treat itself like the world class destination that it is.


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      • #43
        Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

        Originally posted by Coheteboy View Post
        I don't think I'm asking for too much when I want WDW to treat itself like the world class destination that it is.
        Amen. If Disney management can pull Disneyland out of the hole it was sinking into, there's no good reason they can't do the same for WDW.

        The first step, of course, is for them to admit they have a problem. As Dustysage posted last year:

        Originally posted by Dustysage
        As a frequent visitor to both WDW and Disneyland Resorts I can absolutely confirm that the quality of show at WDW is many times worse than Disneyland. While there are a few minor maintenance issues at Disneyland (notability Indiana Jones and the west side of ToonTown), the issues at Disneyland are minor compared to the general state of decline and poor maintenance at Disney World.

        Disneyland feels very fresh and well maintained, Disney World feels very tired, as though it is struggling just to maintain basic standards rather than Disney standards.

        It is pretty clear to me that Disneyland is being maintained to meet the high standards of its much larger repeat visitors (locals and APs). Florida is being maintained to meet the lowest standard they can get away with which will maximize their savings and budgetary obligations. Unfortunately, frequent WDW visitors, such as myself (a DVC member and AP) notice the quality issues and feel that WDW needs to step it up.

        And maintenance isn't the only issue:

        Originally posted by Dustysage
        ...Disney is spending way too much time and money on low level Kim Possible and interactive queue work rather than fleshing out new attractions which will bring people back to the parks.

        During the D23 Expo they had NOTHING new to share from WDW. That's just depressing.
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        • #44
          Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

          The Haunted Mansion load area situation is outrageous. We talked about this in a pervious post. It's unfomfortable, uncalled for and a disaster waiting to happen.

          Would you want to subject your children to this? How and why in the world is "efficiency" trumping SAFETY?!

          WDW needs to fix this. Now.

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          • #45
            Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

            Originally posted by Virtual Toad View Post
            The Haunted Mansion load area situation is outrageous. We talked about this in a pervious post. It's unfomfortable, uncalled for and a disaster waiting to happen.

            Would you want to subject your children to this? How and why in the world is "efficiency" trumping SAFETY?!

            WDW needs to fix this. Now.
            No kidding, the fact that it IS VERY UNSAFE for that many people to be crowded in that small area, god forbid if there was some kind of emergency....
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            • #46
              Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

              That Haunted Mansion queue looks like a fire hazard to me.


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              • #47
                Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

                I don't know who needs to hear it, but the post-elevators load area at WDW Haunted Mansion is a scary, obviously dangerous situation in crowd management. It is a matter of time before someone is crushed.

                Regardless of whether they need to have each doom buggy occupied to move the crowds through, there should be fail-safe remote switches from downstairs that keep any other guests from coming down until the load area is moving. The challenge is that the ride will go down for a minute or more at somewhat regular intervals and the load area then backs up. Obviously, the easy answer is that the elevators will not cycle down (or even close from the foyer load areas) if the doom buggies aren't moving.

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                • #48
                  Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

                  I totally agree with you on the whole Avatar land thing. I've never seen that movie, have no intent to, and the land itself won't be coming out until 2016 or something, and it's kind of done with already. And it's not even a family movie, right? Aren't there, like, naked people running around everywhere?
                  And, Animal Kingdom, if you're going to put in a new land, can you do Beastly Kingdom? I mean, you've already got a dragon in the middle of your animals-walking logo thing, anyway!
                  ANIMAL KINGDOM, Y U NO BEASTLY?
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                  • #49
                    Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

                    Originally posted by Peter'sGirl View Post
                    I totally agree with you on the whole Avatar land thing. I've never seen that movie, have no intent to, and the land itself won't be coming out until 2016 or something, and it's kind of done with already. And it's not even a family movie, right? Aren't there, like, naked people running around everywhere?
                    And, Animal Kingdom, if you're going to put in a new land, can you do Beastly Kingdom? I mean, you've already got a dragon in the middle of your animals-walking logo thing, anyway!
                    ANIMAL KINGDOM, Y U NO BEASTLY?


                    Haha while I agree with the hate on Avatar, I actually seen the movie. The natives on Pandora (the Navi) are blue and wear light clothing covering the unmentionables. There's some love making but none of it is "human" and it's mostly PG-13 action and language.

                    Not something I would pick for a Disney park personally.


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                    • #50
                      Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

                      Originally posted by Coheteboy View Post
                      Haha while I agree with the hate on Avatar, I actually seen the movie. The natives on Pandora (the Navi) are blue and wear light clothing covering the unmentionables. There's some love making but none of it is "human" and it's mostly PG-13 action and language.

                      Not something I would pick for a Disney park personally.
                      Exactly! And I have no idea how they're going to get around the fact that the main lady goes around topless the whole time, which is not really something you'd want to expose a eight-year-old to.
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                      • #51
                        Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

                        Originally posted by Peter'sGirl View Post
                        Exactly! And I have no idea how they're going to get around the fact that the main lady goes around topless the whole time, which is not really something you'd want to expose a eight-year-old to.

                        First off, shes not topless. Just skimpy.


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                        • #52
                          Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

                          Originally posted by Coheteboy View Post
                          First off, shes not topless. Just skimpy.
                          But isn't her "top" a necklace?
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                          • #53
                            Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

                            http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UUSrVTphI7...al+Edition.jpg

                            both have too much skin for having characters dressed like that, they will probably use some sort of blue Morphsuit to do it.

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                            • #54
                              Re: Who is trying to mess with who?

                              While I don't necessarily agree that WDW has lost the magic, I definitely agree with the comments about the merchandise. I used to go to Disney World and drop hundreds on merchandise (and this was before the kids!). Now I go back and see the same stuff that was there years ago, every shop has the same stuff, and the new designs don't even appeal to me. Worse is the lack of quality in the latest merchandise. I've worn holes in the shirts I've bought within the past three years, while the Disneyland 40th anniversary and Pleasure Island sweatshirts I bought about 15 years ago are still in great condition. Even my daughters don't see anything they "must have" from Disney World.

                              Last summer I was able to take them to Universal for the first time and we were blown away by the experience we had. Their employees provided great service, and the theming was great. My 8 year old loves rock climbing walls and the one that the Universal park has, themed as the side of an alley, was great looking. The rides were fun. I still think the Disney parks are magical, and there's always the possibility that being the first time at Universal made it look better than it is, but we're going back to Orlando in November, and my daughters wanted to make sure we're going back to Universal also.

                              As for the Harry Potter area, yes, it's magical and the merchandise was great (my oldest daughter went online, wrote down everything she wanted to buy, and saved up her birthday money to get it), but I wonder how much of that is Universal's doing and how much is because J.K. Rowling was so hands on in the process and demanded it?

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