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  • [Question] Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

    Why is it that any section at WDW that is themed (directly or indirectly) to Mickey and the gang (i.e., Mickey's Toontown Fair, Camp Minnie-Mickey) considered a temporary section and thus expendable?
    My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

    1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
    2. Pirates of the Caribbean
    3. Splash Mountain
    4. Mad Tea Party
    5. Peter Pan's Flight
    6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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    Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

    I can think of three reasons... Because (unlike DL's Toontown) neither were originally intended to be permanent/full-fledged lands. Because the characters can and do appear elsewhere, and because neither land is/was really that great.
    I knew if this business was ever to get anywhere, if this business was ever to grow, it could never do it by having to answer to someone unsympathetic to its possibilities, by having to answer to someone with only one thought or interest, namely profits. For my idea of how to make profits has differed greatly from those who generally control businesses such as ours. I have blind faith in the policy that quality, tempered with good judgment and showmanship, will win against all odds.
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    • #3
      Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

      I agree with PSUMark. I'd love to see a permanent home for Mickey and co at WDW. Maybe put a Hollywood Toontown in DHS With some original attractioNs and maybe move Philamagic over from the MK

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      • #4
        Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

        First, I think you are looking at the situation backwards. It is not a case of viewing Mickey Mouse areas as temporary, it is a case of using Mickey Mouse for temporary areas. Why choose Mickey? Simple, he is widely known and popular, so the thought is that the recognition of Mickey Mouse as a brand will be enough of a draw, and there is less need to spend more on a temporary area.

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        • #5
          Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

          Originally posted by robbiem View Post
          I agree with PSUMark. I'd love to see a permanent home for Mickey and co at WDW. Maybe put a Hollywood Toontown in DHS With some original attractioNs and maybe move Philamagic over from the MK
          Mickey has a permanent home in the Town Square Theater, and Minnie, Goofy, and the Ducks will be in the sideshow tent in the circus area.

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          • #6
            Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

            Originally posted by ttintagel View Post
            Mickey has a permanent home in the Town Square Theater, and Minnie, Goofy, and the Ducks will be in the sideshow tent in the circus area.
            Yes, but Mickey will now be separated from his friends, and by his old nemesis, Pete, no less. The only one Mickey has now is Pluto.
            My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

            1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
            2. Pirates of the Caribbean
            3. Splash Mountain
            4. Mad Tea Party
            5. Peter Pan's Flight
            6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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            • #7
              Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

              It also begs the question, how can Disneyland's Toontown (and also Tokyo Disneyland's) be permanent and WDW's Toontown Fair not?
              My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

              1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
              2. Pirates of the Caribbean
              3. Splash Mountain
              4. Mad Tea Party
              5. Peter Pan's Flight
              6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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              • #8
                Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                Originally posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
                It also begs the question, how can Disneyland's Toontown (and also Tokyo Disneyland's) be permanent and WDW's Toontown Fair not?
                It has to do with the history of the land. Look up Mickey's Birthdayland and I am sure you will find plenty about the origins of the land.

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                • #9
                  Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                  Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
                  It has to do with the history of the land. Look up Mickey's Birthdayland and I am sure you will find plenty about the origins of the land.
                  I know about that. But what I meant was, how can Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair be considered expendable, while Toontown at Disneyland not so much?
                  My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

                  1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
                  2. Pirates of the Caribbean
                  3. Splash Mountain
                  4. Mad Tea Party
                  5. Peter Pan's Flight
                  6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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                  • #10
                    Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                    Originally posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
                    I know about that. But what I meant was, how can Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair be considered expendable, while Toontown at Disneyland not so much?
                    Difference in quality.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                      Originally posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
                      I know about that. But what I meant was, how can Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair be considered expendable, while Toontown at Disneyland not so much?
                      Because the latter was built to be a permanent land with a corresponding quality level; whereas the former was never intended to be permanent and kind of sucked?
                      I knew if this business was ever to get anywhere, if this business was ever to grow, it could never do it by having to answer to someone unsympathetic to its possibilities, by having to answer to someone with only one thought or interest, namely profits. For my idea of how to make profits has differed greatly from those who generally control businesses such as ours. I have blind faith in the policy that quality, tempered with good judgment and showmanship, will win against all odds.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                        Originally posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
                        I know about that. But what I meant was, how can Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair be considered expendable, while Toontown at Disneyland not so much?
                        Because one has an E-ticket ride, expensively themed buildings and shops, and the other has circus tents and a kid-coaster. And magically, both the circus tents and kid-coaster were apparently permanent enough to withstand the land's makeover. So considering the tents have been there since 1990 and the barnstormer since 1996, I'd call them pretty permanent even if the name of the land has changed.


                        And thematically, Mickey's home is Toontown, CA. Toontown Faire was just his summer home, and what with the economy and housing market and all.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                          Originally posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
                          I know about that. But what I meant was, how can Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair be considered expendable, while Toontown at Disneyland not so much?
                          Because ToonTown was going to be built at the Disney-MGM Studios.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                            Originally posted by almandot View Post
                            And thematically, Mickey's home is Toontown, CA. Toontown Faire was just his summer home, and what with the economy and housing market and all.
                            But if that's the case, then what does that make Mickey's home in Tokyo Disneyland, which has its own almost mirror copy of CA's Toontown?
                            My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

                            1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
                            2. Pirates of the Caribbean
                            3. Splash Mountain
                            4. Mad Tea Party
                            5. Peter Pan's Flight
                            6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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                            • #15
                              Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                              Originally posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
                              But if that's the case, then what does that make Mickey's home in Tokyo Disneyland, which has its own almost mirror copy of CA's Toontown?
                              Japanese Mickey's home? (Seriously, have you heard his voice? No way that's the same mouse...)
                              I knew if this business was ever to get anywhere, if this business was ever to grow, it could never do it by having to answer to someone unsympathetic to its possibilities, by having to answer to someone with only one thought or interest, namely profits. For my idea of how to make profits has differed greatly from those who generally control businesses such as ours. I have blind faith in the policy that quality, tempered with good judgment and showmanship, will win against all odds.
                              -Walt Disney

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                              • #16
                                Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                                Originally posted by PSUMark View Post
                                Japanese Mickey's home? (Seriously, have you heard his voice? No way that's the same mouse...)
                                It may not be the same actor ('cause it's not the same language!), but it is the same mouse.
                                My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

                                1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
                                2. Pirates of the Caribbean
                                3. Splash Mountain
                                4. Mad Tea Party
                                5. Peter Pan's Flight
                                6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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                                • #17
                                  Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                                  Originally posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
                                  It may not be the same actor ('cause it's not the same language!), but it is the same mouse.
                                  The post you're quoting was sarcasm. Guess I forgot the In any case, if you're looking for a real answer, the closest thing anyone can give you is that the Japanese Toontown exists outside of a separate continuity than the American ones. WDI doesn't account for people who go to American and Japanese parks and expect the stories of both to line up perfectly with no contradictions... If you want to be that picky, why are there three different Chick-A-Pin Hills and Br'er Fox lives in all of them?
                                  I knew if this business was ever to get anywhere, if this business was ever to grow, it could never do it by having to answer to someone unsympathetic to its possibilities, by having to answer to someone with only one thought or interest, namely profits. For my idea of how to make profits has differed greatly from those who generally control businesses such as ours. I have blind faith in the policy that quality, tempered with good judgment and showmanship, will win against all odds.
                                  -Walt Disney

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                                  • #18
                                    Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                                    Originally posted by PSUMark View Post
                                    The post you're quoting was sarcasm. Guess I forgot the In any case, if you're looking for a real answer, the closest thing anyone can give you is that the Japanese Toontown exists outside of a separate continuity than the American ones. WDI doesn't account for people who go to American and Japanese parks and expect the stories of both to line up perfectly with no contradictions... If you want to be that picky, why are there three different Chick-A-Pin Hills and Br'er Fox lives in all of them?
                                    Each park is a loose configuration of various times and places throughout the Disney multiverse linked together by Fantasyland's Magic and Tomorrowland's technology. The way the places come together or the forms these places take vary depending on the version of the object that allows you to perceive the links between the places: Your Park Ticket.

                                    Or at least that's what I'm going with for a headcanon explanation for some armchair imagineering type development for how I'd do a Disney crossover.
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                                    • #19
                                      Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                                      Originally posted by FigmentJedi View Post
                                      Each park is a loose configuration of various times and places throughout the Disney multiverse linked together by Fantasyland's Magic and Tomorrowland's technology. The way the places come together or the forms these places take vary depending on the version of the object that allows you to perceive the links between the places: Your Park Ticket.

                                      Or at least that's what I'm going with for a headcanon explanation for some armchair imagineering type development for how I'd do a Disney crossover.
                                      OMG! This makes so much sense!

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: Why are Mickey Mouse-themed areas expendable?

                                        Originally posted by PSUMark View Post
                                        If you want to be that picky, why are there three different Chick-A-Pin Hills and Br'er Fox lives in all of them?
                                        Because not everyone can afford go to see all three of them.
                                        My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

                                        1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
                                        2. Pirates of the Caribbean
                                        3. Splash Mountain
                                        4. Mad Tea Party
                                        5. Peter Pan's Flight
                                        6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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