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[JCSkipr79]

Magic Kingdom to serve alcohol for the first time ever with opening of Be Our Guest restaurant - Orlando Attractions Magazine

[Disneytwins]

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It's not THAT bad.

[JCSkipr79]

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Till a drunk guest stumbles out.......

[goofy donald]

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yay i like this news lol, imagine alcoholic dole whips :o

[Disneytwins]

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They failed to mention that it will only be available during dinner and guests will not be able to leave the restaurant with it.

[GhostHostJeff]

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Disneyland Paris serves some alcoholic beverages and I never saw a problem when I was there. In fact I've never seen an issue with drunk guests at any Disney park that serves liquor. IMO if people want to get drunk they will somewhere else and come to MK.

[PSUMark]

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As someone who enjoys a good beer, and enjoys attending F&W at Epcot for that very reason, I think this is horrible. I'm aware of the restrictions on its sale/consumption, but why have it at all in the first place?? It's completely unnecessary and goes against Walt's express wishes. Alcohol should not be served in the MK or MK style parks with the exception of Club 33. Outside of DLP, that's how it's always been and always should be, and the only reason WDW is changing it now is for the bottom line. They certainly won't be getting any more $$ from me out of this. Not at MK.

Choose which way you want it, Disney. Do you care about Walt's legacy or not? Because this bullcrap of trying to tie Walt to everything from DHS to DAK to the Cruise Line and a million other things he has absolutely nothing to do with in order to give them more legitimacy, while simultaneously flying in the face of his specific, unambiguous, recorded wishes doesn't fly. Either live up to Walt or stop putting on this farcical show of pretending you care about him at all. You can't have it both ways.

[Disneytwins]

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It's not like a bar, it's for casual dinner drinking. The likelihood that we'll see problems with drunk people are very slim.

Why is it okay for DLP to have it, but the ones in the states are forbidden? They fulfilled his legacy by allowing it in parks outside the country? Doesn't that contradict the point?

[PSUMark]

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Why is it okay for DLP to have it, but the ones in the states are forbidden? They fulfilled his legacy by allowing it in parks outside the country? Doesn't that contradict the point?

I never said it was OK for DLP to have it. Prior to this announcement DLP was the only MK-style park to offer alcohol outside of Club 33. Now there's one more. With DLP it was claimed that it was a business necessity in order to be successful in Paris and respect the cultural realities there. I don't like it, but fair enough, especially given the resort's debt problems. None of that is true in MK. This is purely a $$$ move. Nothing more. It's TWDC spitting on Walt's memory to pad the bottom line a little. And it's likely the start of a slippery slope.

[TimmyTimmyTimmy]

[Disneytwins]

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Walt didn't want alcohol in the parks because the thought it would bring rowdiness. The price of the beer prohibits the rowdiness lol

My attitude towards "It a money move" doesn't concern me. A company is supposed to find ways to increase profits, not sit there and look pretty.

[PSUMark]

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Well, why did Walt not want alcohol in the parks?

Walt was quoted in another thread:

No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax.

Obviously, people can agree or disagree with Walt's reasoning, but that's irrelevant. The question isn't, "Is alcohol good or bad?" The question is, "Should TWDC respect Walt's wishes?" TWDC voluntary choose not to sell alcohol at MK-style parks as a symbolic measure of respect for Walt. They're now choosing to forego that restriction. It's hard to see that as anything other than, "We don't care about respecting Walt's wishes anymore because we can make more money this way."

[Disneytwins]

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The one thing we don't know is if Walt would've changed his mind about it. An important thing to consider is the public's change in opinion on beer and alcohol. It's important to consider the demand for it. I remember a lot of guests were asking where they can find some beer or wine. Theres demand and it's their responsibility to adjust to demands. It's not a disregard towards walt Walt, they're doing what Walt did frequently - adjust and change things according to what the public was looking for.

[PSUMark]

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My attitude towards "It a money move" doesn't concern me. A company is supposed to find ways to increase profits, not sit there and look pretty.

It would undoubtedly be very profitable for Disney to offer pay-per-view adult content in the resort rooms as well. There are a near infinite number of things that Disney could do to increase profits. The challenge for Disney, and all companies, is growing profits while remaining true to their core competencies and values. The primary reason that Bob Iger chose to shut down Pleasure Island was because he didn't want a "night club" type atmosphere associated with a Disney vacation. Disney sold Miramax Pictures because they didn't want Miramax's harder-edged films associated with TWDC anymore. Those were both instances of choosing values over profits. The fact that they're doing the opposite when it comes to honoring Walt's wishes says a lot about where Disney is as a company. Nothing new, sadly, but it's one more way that Disney is distancing itself from its founder.

[aashee]

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Don't like it at all. And based on a lot of choices Disney has been making, I have little faith....or pixie dust.

[PSUMark]

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The one thing we don't know is if Walt would've changed his mind about it. An important thing to consider is the public's change in opinion on beer and alcohol. It's important to consider the demand for it. I remember a lot of guests were asking where they can find some beer or wine. Theres demand and it's their responsibility to adjust to demands. It's not a disregard towards walt Walt, they're doing what Walt did frequently - adjust and change things according to what the public was looking for.

Because no one enjoyed alcohol in the '50s/'60s... If anything, it was even more culturally commonplace (ever watch Mad Men?). Heck, organized crime developed in America - and a lot of people died - because the gov't tried to outlaw the sale of alcohol back in the '20s. It's not like we were a country of prudes until the last few decades.

Walt made a conscious choice to forego short-term profits and buck the status quo by not offering alcohol. If you read anything about the history of Disneyland, Walt was ridiculed by others in the amusement industry who thought that he wasn't doing nearly enough to extract cash from his customers (Walt called them "guests," they called them "marks") - including not selling alcohol - and it's why many thought Disneyland would go belly up within a year. If anything, there was much more reason to sell alcohol then, as no one had yet proven that an amusement enterprise could operate profitably without it. Demand for alcohol is nothing new.

[GhostHostJeff]

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I think we can all beat the dead horse of Walt Disney and his views on alcohol.

[Disneytwins]

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Now we're getting in morals of the whole issue. Morals aside, there isn't demand for adult movies at Disney resorts because the place is frequented by families. Beer and adult movies are completely different. There is demand for beer, there is no demand for adult movies.

Pleasure Island closed because they had an interested lessee for Rock N Roll Beach club and they knew that that lessee would be much more profitable for the club. Since they were doing that, they figured it would be great to close the clubs and offer them for retail and then that one interested party pulled out. It has nothing to do with the alcohol and nightlife there at all.

[flynnibus]

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Walt was quoted in another thread:



Obviously, people can agree or disagree with Walt's reasoning, but that's irrelevant. The question isn't, "Is alcohol good or bad?" The question is, "Should TWDC respect Walt's wishes?" TWDC voluntary choose not to sell alcohol at MK-style parks as a symbolic measure of respect for Walt. They're now choosing to forego that restriction. It's hard to see that as anything other than, "We don't care about respecting Walt's wishes anymore because we can make more money this way."

Do you think Walt was incapable of new thoughts and new opinions as the world around him evolved?

Why do we evoke an opinion formed in a specific time period, in different context, and assume he would never wander from that idea?

Why do we assume a man known for looking forward, not backwards, would never change his mind on this subject even after the product, society, and presentation have all changed?

Why do we assume a thought was permanent?

Reality is we don't know what he would want or think in this world and in this type of theme park.

Not all his thoughts are universal and unchanging in time.

Even Walt himself changed over time.. I don't know why people insist his ideas wouldn't continue to evolve if he lived longer and hence the world needs to be trapped in not what he felt were Universal laws of the Universe, but simply how he felt he should run his park in the 50s and 60s.

[JCSkipr79]

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Hey, Disneytwins. If guests want chewing tabacco should Disney sell it in the park?? TDO needs to stop bending over to every hissyfit the guests have. If they cannot enjoy MK without alcohol then.....THEY SHOULDNT BE THERE.