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  • #21
    Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

    Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
    yeah i was just going to say that and stationary ride vehicles staring at projection screens sounds incredibly bad and exactly what disney would want to do haha.
    Well screens can help some rides (TT 2.0 looks spectacular), hell they've used glass in creative ways for decades however imagination should not be one of those for rides, it's charm came from it's warn sets and friendly hosts, if it went full CG it would lose it's charm.

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    • #22
      Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

      Originally posted by DreamfinderFigment View Post
      I know probably the building can't be restored but what I'm saying is is that they should figure out a way to create that affect again then. My imagination on Journey into Imagination would be to 1.Restore the original soundtrack 2.Redo the building a bit 3.find out someway to recreate the opening scene 4.bring back the original ride as much as possible. 5.bring back the original image works 6.bring back the Dreamfinder and Figment walk around characters
      I'm sorry but this point you might as well just hope EPCOT Center get to get full rebuild. We can dream but we still have to be realistic.

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      • #23
        Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

        Well who knows, I'm sure Tony Baxter can come up with something. After all he is the creator of the original.

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        • #24
          Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

          Heeeey everybody. Now, please don't kill me with sticks or stab me with rusty sprinkler keys, but...

          I really enjoy the ride as it stands. HOLD ON, LET ME EXPLAIN! It's a direct ratio of "Time Spent in Line:Enjoyment of Ride."
          I've never waited in line for this. I've walked on every single time I've ridden it. And every time, the ride is just a nice little detour. A major ride? No. It's a major distraction.

          The downside is, since I've walked on every time, it's very obviously an unpopular attraction. So I'm stuck in the weird limbo of "If they ever fix it, there will be a line. But if they leave it alone, I get to walk on." I get very torn.

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          • #25
            Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

            Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
            its impossible, they've physically cemented over major ride components, the ride will never be brought back in the same format it once was. a new ride with a concept that is reminiscent of the original is a possibility, and in my opinion the best outcome, but the same ride will never be brought back period. its impossible.
            You are so full of crap as usual Goofy Donald, The original can be brought back, technology is far more advance here in the 2010's than it was back in the 80's. You're probably the only Disney fan on the planet that does not want the original back. Sorry pal, but I support DreamfinderFigment's cause to bring back the original, and if you've got a problem with bringing back the original, then go ride that current version which is a monstrosity, and go work for Dr. Nigel Puke and his Imagination Crapitute.
            Last edited by edward1978; 12-03-2012, 08:44 PM.

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            • #26
              Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

              well i enjoyed the current ride and did not really get anything from the original after seeing it on YouTube. I actually dont' need or want the original to return. But I also wouldn't mind the entire building to be gutted out and redone with an all new ride with Figment, a 3rd attempt at creating something that comes with a new 3d show. I'm all game for that. But hopefully an original story and creation rather than a Pixar themed ride/attraction.

              I also enjoyed Honey I Shrunk the Audience and miss it. It was great memories for me in my past visits to the park and my family's reaction to the show was memorable. EO is great and all but I miss Hista.

              My single vote is to leave the attraction as is. The only thing I don't miss is the HISTA Kodak preshow... my GOD that was long and draining to watch. But I missed that too. i found that video on YouTube and saved it, just 'cause it's not there anymore.

              Hey, at least Figment is still around and not forgotten.

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              • #27
                Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                Originally posted by edward1978 View Post
                You are so full of crap as usual Goofy Donald, The original can be brought back, technology is far more advance here in the 2010's than it was back in the 80's. You're probably the only Disney fan on the planet that does not want the original back. Sorry pal, but I support DreamfinderFigment's cause to bring back the original, and if you've got a problem with bringing back the original, then go ride that current version which is a monstrosity, and go work for Dr. Nigel Puke and his Imagination Crapitute.
                He's full of crap because he knows Disney will never do it? They know most people hate the current iteration of the ride just like they knew most patrons hated The Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management but did they replace it? No! It took a fire to get a cheap version of the original. Sure they could do it, it would cost millions and they wouldn't see a big return for that investment.

                I've been dreaming for years for Horizons to be rebuilt but I know it will never happen, I know M:S pulls in enough guests and is cheaper to maintain then a large scale AA Omnomover ride. Unless a big sponsor comes along and says they want something better the current iteration is bound to stay were it is.
                Being realistic is not being full of crap.

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                • #28
                  Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                  Originally posted by edward1978 View Post
                  You are so full of crap as usual Goofy Donald, The original can be brought back, technology is far more advance here in the 2010's than it was back in the 80's. You're probably the only Disney fan on the planet that does not want the original back. Sorry pal, but I support DreamfinderFigment's cause to bring back the original, and if you've got a problem with bringing back the original, then go ride that current version which is a monstrosity, and go work for Dr. Nigel Puke and his Imagination Crapitute.
                  lol wow somebody really got angry before they wrote this comment! as BandM put it very well no I would not be averse to the original coming back but I know that disney will not bring it back and again its impossible to truly bring it back entirely at this point. if you want to bring back the attraction "exactly as it was", you have to bring back its ride system as well. Considering the turntable is broken beyond repair and mostly covered with concrete that would be a rather difficult proposition, last time i checked technology hasn't caught up to "broken beyond repair" and "metal covered in concrete" yet but you keep believing it has. add to that the fact that the path and foot print of the ride is now totally different (when you go through the queue now your actually walking through where the old ride once stood) and it leads me to believe the best alternative, again, is a new ride reminiscent of the original attraction. dude i even said this in the post you quoted, try actually reading what people say before you go after them. or you can just keep being a big tough guy on the internet, either way haha.

                  by the way
                  @dreamfinderfigment: i think your poll isn't a very accurate representation of how people feel. some (myself included) are not happy with whats there now but don't think the answer is / will not be from, bringing back a ride from the 80's. there should be a third option asking if people would want a new ride experience to be created reminiscent of the original.

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                  • #29
                    Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                    Originally posted by DreamfinderFigment View Post
                    We Want That!
                    Yes...yes we do.
                    For the love of Disney....:yea:

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                    • #30
                      Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                      Let's all calm down.

                      Will Disney bring the original ride back? That is debatable. People can have their opinions and go back and forth as they wish.

                      On the fact of whether it can be physically done, or not? Yes, it can. However, it isn't going to be as easy as DreamfinderFigment might think it is.

                      As others stated a lot of the ride where the tracks are located had concrete poured into it. Also, a lot of walls have been taken down, some were built, and walls have been painted over. New footage of Figment and Dr. Nigel was animated, new sets were made, and a completely different storyline. The ride is completely different and is obviously not the ride it used to be. However, technically it can come back to the original ride. However, this isn't something you can "fix", or "change back".

                      To be put bluntly, you basically have to demolish everything and start from scratch.

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                      • #31
                        Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                        in my opinion there are so many bigger fish to fry.
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                        • #32
                          Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                          As one of the biggest proponents of bringing back the original Journey into Imagination ride, I've put a lot of thought into how a project of this type could be accomplished. There are also a couple inaccuracies I'd like to clear up. Fortunately I brought a visual aid.

                          As you can see right away, contrary to what other posters have said, the current attraction uses approximately 2/3 of the original track. The only parts that were removed are areas A, B, H, and I. It is true that these were filled with concrete, but as we all know from looking at old sidewalks, concrete is hardly indestructible. Get a few pickaxes in there and that stuff comes right up. As for the new walls that were added, they are clearly not load-bearing so a few burly blokes with sledgehammers could also make short work of those.

                          The other big issue is section B, the area of the turntable filled with concrete. As stated above, concrete isn't permanent and can be dug out. As for the turntable itself, it has been reported to be broken beyond repair. Now this doesn't mean that a turntable can never function in this same space ever again. What it does mean is that the one that is there now would need to be completely removed and replaced with an all new turntable. This is actually good news because even if the old turntable still worked it would have to be completely replaced anyway because some jerk decided to fill it with concrete.

                          The problem with the original turntable is that it worked on 1980s technology. Ride vehicles would physically attach to the turntable to synchronize with the scene and then detach as they moved into the dream port. The problem that occurred was that because not everybody weighs the same different groups of cars would cause more strain on the turntable motor than others and the speed of the turntable would be inconsistent. Ride vehicles not attached to the turntable would have to speed up or slow down to compensate which caused problems synching them to the load and unload speedramps. The solution then was to get rid of the speedramps, but it still didn't fix the straining turntable motor part.

                          There is a very simple solution to this problem now that ipod shuffles have more computing power than the big cabinets that controlled this ride back in 1983. Now the vehicles can synch to the turntable without having to physically connect to it. They just need sensors on the front of the vehicles that will match up with ones on the turntable. The turntable then maintains a smooth consistent speed because it is always pulling the same weight and the vehicles just make sure they stay in the right spot.

                          In order to accomplish this that blue shaded section of the pavilion would have to be gutted, but it's not like Disney has never gutted part or all of an EPCOT pavilion before like The Living Seas, or World of Motion. This project would be expensive and difficult, but it is by no means impossible. I'm hoping that with the success of Carsland has taught Disney that in order to make things that really impress people you have to spend the money to make them right. If that way of thinking catches on, Imagination could have a future.
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                          • #33
                            Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                            Thanks for the clarity Dapper Dan!! You truly deserve your place as a Metro-Retro Historian, gutting the pavilion is now made easier now Disney just has to wrap their heads around to what will really make us return. The Metro-Retro Historical Society has saved the day again.


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                            • #34
                              Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                              Originally posted by Dapper Dan View Post
                              As one of the biggest proponents of bringing back the original Journey into Imagination ride, I've put a lot of thought into how a project of this type could be accomplished. There are also a couple inaccuracies I'd like to clear up. Fortunately I brought a visual aid.

                              As you can see right away, contrary to what other posters have said, the current attraction uses approximately 2/3 of the original track. The only parts that were removed are areas A, B, H, and I. It is true that these were filled with concrete, but as we all know from looking at old sidewalks, concrete is hardly indestructible. Get a few pickaxes in there and that stuff comes right up. As for the new walls that were added, they are clearly not load-bearing so a few burly blokes with sledgehammers could also make short work of those.

                              The other big issue is section B, the area of the turntable filled with concrete. As stated above, concrete isn't permanent and can be dug out. As for the turntable itself, it has been reported to be broken beyond repair. Now this doesn't mean that a turntable can never function in this same space ever again. What it does mean is that the one that is there now would need to be completely removed and replaced with an all new turntable. This is actually good news because even if the old turntable still worked it would have to be completely replaced anyway because some jerk decided to fill it with concrete.

                              The problem with the original turntable is that it worked on 1980s technology. Ride vehicles would physically attach to the turntable to synchronize with the scene and then detach as they moved into the dream port. The problem that occurred was that because not everybody weighs the same different groups of cars would cause more strain on the turntable motor than others and the speed of the turntable would be inconsistent. Ride vehicles not attached to the turntable would have to speed up or slow down to compensate which caused problems synching them to the load and unload speedramps. The solution then was to get rid of the speedramps, but it still didn't fix the straining turntable motor part.

                              There is a very simple solution to this problem now that ipod shuffles have more computing power than the big cabinets that controlled this ride back in 1983. Now the vehicles can synch to the turntable without having to physically connect to it. They just need sensors on the front of the vehicles that will match up with ones on the turntable. The turntable then maintains a smooth consistent speed because it is always pulling the same weight and the vehicles just make sure they stay in the right spot.

                              In order to accomplish this that blue shaded section of the pavilion would have to be gutted, but it's not like Disney has never gutted part or all of an EPCOT pavilion before like The Living Seas, or World of Motion. This project would be expensive and difficult, but it is by no means impossible. I'm hoping that with the success of Carsland has taught Disney that in order to make things that really impress people you have to spend the money to make them right. If that way of thinking catches on, Imagination could have a future.
                              It's a great proposal, Disney already has integrated vehicle tracking tech in multiple rides (mainly TT 2.0 which shows off all the cars going around the circuit at the post-show) and considering the tech used at TDL I don't even see the need to rebuild the track.
                              But again the main problem is not if it can be done, it's convincing the men in suits to spend a dime on the ride. These are the people that turned a pavilion with multiple rides into an "event" pavilion by painting everything bronze (much like another disaster that occurred in 1998 in Anaheim). Even with Tony Baxter pushing it still probably wouldn't happen because they couldn't push some marketing gimmick with it. We need executives with passion, not people with money symbols in their eyes.
                              Anyway, great plan, hope one day we can all walk around the walking jumping fountains and know the ride behind us isn't a shell of it's former self.

                              Now if you don't mind me going off topic for a second:
                              The Living Seas
                              How was this gutted to the level of WoM? Most of the original structure is still there, they only knocked down one of the two original pre-show theaters (heck Turtle Talk still exits onto the queue line for the ride), removed the hydrolators and turned a maintenance area into a "dark ride". The post-show area is still mostly intact (expect for a few modified exhibits) and even the VIP lounge survived. Although the one from WoM also did but that ride had/has a sponsor while TLS lost it's sponsor years before the refurb.
                              Last edited by BandM; 12-04-2012, 01:03 PM.

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                              • #35
                                Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                                Dapper Dan you are incredible, you know how to make things work even better. Hey Goofy Donald, now who's the full of it.

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                                • #36
                                  Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                                  Originally posted by KingEric View Post
                                  in my opinion there are so many bigger fish to fry.
                                  SPOT ON

                                  Yes, this as much as I would love to see a classic attraction such as this restored to it's former glory, I think the bigger issue at hand with EPCOT is a Future world as a whole that's a shadow of it's former self, reduced capacity overall at the park(I'm looking at you Wonders of Life Pavilion) as well as overall the maintenance quality and show quality of rides/shows across the resort that are either in need of A) Updates(small or massive), or B) Quasi-Rebuilds, just to return back to their former glory and be in complete working order...

                                  I'm sorry but Journey into Imagination should be down that list alittle bit IMO..
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                                  • #37
                                    Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                                    Excuse my ignorance on the subject as the first time I made it to the east coast parks was in 2003, but is a turntable really needed these days? I mean, isn't there a Winnie the Pooh ride out there that uses a virtual track just controlled with sensors? Couldn't a similar system be thrown in here for a lot less money?
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                                    • #38
                                      Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                                      Originally posted by ORD84 View Post
                                      SPOT ON

                                      Yes, this as much as I would love to see a classic attraction such as this restored to it's former glory, I think the bigger issue at hand with EPCOT is a Future world as a whole that's a shadow of it's former self, reduced capacity overall at the park(I'm looking at you Wonders of Life Pavilion) as well as overall the maintenance quality and show quality of rides/shows across the resort that are either in need of A) Updates(small or massive), or B) Quasi-Rebuilds, just to return back to their former glory and be in complete working order...

                                      I'm sorry but Journey into Imagination should be down that list alittle bit IMO..
                                      off topic. This thread it about Journey into Imagination guys.

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                                      • #39
                                        Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                                        Originally posted by Coastierox View Post
                                        Excuse my ignorance on the subject as the first time I made it to the east coast parks was in 2003, but is a turntable really needed these days? I mean, isn't there a Winnie the Pooh ride out there that uses a virtual track just controlled with sensors? Couldn't a similar system be thrown in here for a lot less money?
                                        Eh thing is the Dreamfinder "floated" above the chamber, unless you can make a cart that suspends his vehicle a few feet in the air it would look odd.

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                                        • #40
                                          Re: Attention All Journey into Imagination (1983-2000) Fans! We need to do this!

                                          Anything is possible if you use your imagination!

                                          Yes please, bring it back!
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