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  • #21
    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Originally posted by PerrySimon View Post
    I wouldn't expect an upgrade anytime soon because they are too focused on spending 1 billion dollars on the MyMagic+ stuff that nobody likes.
    I look forward to DAKs Avatarland (along with all of its rides and other attractions. The upcoming new Fantasyland expansion's 7 Dwarfs coaster will rock and sway too! Nevertheless, WDW management has a notorious, not-so-proud history of cheapness in terms of new attraction budgets, and upkeep in general.
    To Boldly Go Where No MiceChatter Has Gone Before!

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    • #22
      Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

      A CircleVision uses multiple screens and multiple projectors. At present, Soaring' uses one projector. At present the best way to get an adequate image would be to map the screen using multiple projectors. This is what they do at The Simpsons Ride.

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      • #23
        Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

        Originally posted by MickeyM View Post
        It's just an old, worn out film reel. It's been like this for a while now, pretty sad if you ask me. I agree, Soarin' needs a huge refurb. Speaking of scratchy, grainy film, Philharmagic also had the same problem when I went in December. Such a shame!
        First, they don't use film reels and the film itself isn't dirty. IMAX projectors use a totally different system.

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        • #24
          Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

          Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
          The projector room for Soarin' in Florida also apparently lacks the higher quality insulation and HVAC that is present in California, allowing for dust and debris to more easily get into contact with the film.

          The issue with going digital at the moment is that it would require mapping multiple projection sources.
          If the projection room was cleaner, they wouldn't have as many problems, but like in Florida, the humidity is the big problem. IMAX projectors use a vaccum
          system so it sucks all the dirt and dust onto a lens as the film goes through.

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          • #25
            Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

            Originally posted by SunsetLament View Post
            Is the film in the Canadian pavilion digital? Because that film is super crisp and the resolution is plenty fine.
            Yes. It is still film, the only digital projectors in World Showcase are at Mexico and France.

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            • #26
              Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

              Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
              A CircleVision uses multiple screens and multiple projectors. At present, Soaring' uses one projector. At present the best way to get an adequate image would be to map the screen using multiple projectors. This is what they do at The Simpsons Ride.
              Completely unnecessary now. IMAX digital projectors came out this year for large format IMAX screens, even larger than Soarin's screens. Just convert the film to digital (there probably is a digital master already somewhere, those are digital fireworks and golf balls) and mask for the curve of the screen and you're done, only one projector required.

              Oh this requires money?

              Hmm, we'll get the studio to pay for it by doing a new Soarin' film with Planes references...

              Suddenly digital doesn't seem like all that good of an idea anymore, does it?
              -Bill

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              • #27
                Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                Disney doesn't like to spend money on substantive things like actually creating a better experience for guests. Look at the Yeti. Expect to see "soarin" look awful for quite some time as they are using film-based technology that even your neighborhood IMAX screen gave up on five years ago. But genuinely improving the guest experience is something that Disney doesn't seem interested in, not when it's making $300 million movies that require $400 million of marketing dollars.

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                • #28
                  Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                  Originally posted by Bill View Post
                  Completely unnecessary now. IMAX digital projectors came out this year for large format IMAX screens, even larger than Soarin's screens. Just convert the film to digital (there probably is a digital master already somewhere, those are digital fireworks and golf balls) and mask for the curve of the screen and you're done, only one projector required.

                  Oh this requires money?

                  Hmm, we'll get the studio to pay for it by doing a new Soarin' film with Planes references...

                  Suddenly digital doesn't seem like all that good of an idea anymore, does it?
                  IMAX has had digital projectors available but the resolution still suffers. They have a new laser projector that is expected later this year.

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                  • #29
                    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                    Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
                    IMAX has had digital projectors available but the resolution still suffers. They have a new laser projector that is expected later this year.
                    You think most guests would even NOTICE that?

                    Here's what I was told point blank by a very, very senior executive at Walt Disney Imagineering a couple of years ago:

                    If people are still coming to a ride or attraction, Disney's top Burbank executives see ABSOLUTELY no need to for change, improvement or a refurb except in the case of guest safety issues. They care ONLY about whether people are spending money. Most of them have never even been inside Ellen's Energy Adventure or Impressions de France, so they don't understand what the "crazy fan" complaints are about. People are still going into those rides. If a dinosaur stops moving, a pirate's wiring is visible, a film was made in 1980, or there are (horrors!) scratches on a film print, their attitude is "WHO CARES?" People are still going on the ride/attraction in numbers big enough to justify operations costs. "Bad show" is not a phrase they know or care about in the slightest. Sad, but true. This has caused no end of arguments between theme parks management and Walt Disney Imagineering, leading Burbank to simply fire the Imagineers and farm the work out to contractors who don't complain.

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                    • #30
                      Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                      Originally posted by EC82 View Post
                      You think most guests would even NOTICE that?

                      Here's what I was told point blank by a very, very senior executive at Walt Disney Imagineering a couple of years ago:

                      If people are still coming to a ride or attraction, Disney's top Burbank executives see ABSOLUTELY no need to for change, improvement or a refurb except in the case of guest safety issues. They care ONLY about whether people are spending money. Most of them have never even been inside Ellen's Energy Adventure or Impressions de France, so they don't understand what the "crazy fan" complaints are about. People are still going into those rides. If a dinosaur stops moving, a pirate's wiring is visible, a film was made in 1980, or there are (horrors!) scratches on a film print, their attitude is "WHO CARES?" People are still going on the ride/attraction in numbers big enough to justify operations costs. "Bad show" is not a phrase they know or care about in the slightest. Sad, but true. This has caused no end of arguments between theme parks management and Walt Disney Imagineering, leading Burbank to simply fire the Imagineers and farm the work out to contractors who don't complain.
                      Bingo! This is why so many attractions are in bad shape. As long as tourists still continue to come, why fix it? Yes it's upsetting to the fans, but Disney is more focused on getting those big bucks from the tourists who come once every 5 years or so.
                      "If you can dream it, you can do it" - Walt Disney

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                      • #31
                        Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                        Originally posted by EC82 View Post
                        Here's what I was told point blank by a very, very senior executive at Walt Disney Imagineering a couple of years ago:

                        If people are still coming to a ride or attraction, Disney's top Burbank executives see ABSOLUTELY no need to for change, improvement or a refurb except in the case of guest safety issues. They care ONLY about whether people are spending money. Most of them have never even been inside Ellen's Energy Adventure or Impressions de France, so they don't understand what the "crazy fan" complaints are about. People are still going into those rides. If a dinosaur stops moving, a pirate's wiring is visible, a film was made in 1980, or there are (horrors!) scratches on a film print, their attitude is "WHO CARES?" People are still going on the ride/attraction in numbers big enough to justify operations costs. "Bad show" is not a phrase they know or care about in the slightest. Sad, but true. This has caused no end of arguments between theme parks management and Walt Disney Imagineering, leading Burbank to simply fire the Imagineers and farm the work out to contractors who don't complain.
                        ^Quote of the century right here. This kind of attitude from top execs is the reason WDW has (in my VERY honest opinion) lost it's focus in the last 15+ years and this loss is finally catching up to them in the forms of the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, Transformers, and Sea World's Antartica. By what this quote says, it seems some people do not understand that class, cast morale, and above all, SHOW should always, ALWAYS trump over profit. Period. Those values are what put Disney parks above the competition in the first place.

                        It's what I like to call the "if you build it, they will come" mentality. If you put show quality and safety above profit, guests will like what they see and return in larger numbers (and happen to spend more money). Worked for years, and is now apparently working well for the competition.

                        While I applaud their concern for guest safety, seems like they only got half of the above philosophy correct. Why not go the extra mile and improve show quality?

                        To the Imagineer who told you this, I salute you!
                        To @EC82, thank you for posting this!
                        Last edited by MickeyM; 04-03-2013, 10:21 AM.

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                        • #32
                          Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                          Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
                          IMAX has had digital projectors available but the resolution still suffers. They have a new laser projector that is expected later this year.
                          Yeah, but the resolution is good enough now for an IMAX screen. My local IMAX just upgraded to digital, and I noticed the difference for about 10 seconds... but the truth is, the image was so bright and crisp compared to the old image, I thought it was very much an upgrade.

                          As far as laser projectors go, I absolutely love that they are always in focus... but I worry about what the shimmer effect would do to people on such an attraction like Soarin. For those of you who don't know about projectors, Laser Projectors are so amazing and clear that they "glitter." It's quite amazing... but I can see it possibly causing motion sickness on a motion simulator.
                          -Bill

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                          • #33
                            Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                            Oh just wow... So that's why the modernized version of the original Journey Into Imagination's announcement isn't coming yet. Because of the management. What a bunch of crap. Disney can do way better then this.

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                            • #34
                              Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                              Originally posted by DreamfinderFigment View Post
                              Oh just wow... So that's why the modernized version of the original Journey Into Imagination's announcement isn't coming yet. Because of the management. What a bunch of crap. Disney can do way better then this.
                              Imagination 4.0 hasn't been announced yet probably because 1)management and 2)Imagination's loss of Kodak as a sponsor in 2010. No sponsor = no huge budget to refurbish the pavillion. Same goes for the Energy pavillion and is probably the reason why Wonders of Life will never reopen. Energy lost ExxonMobil's sponsorship in 2004 and Wonders of Life lost MetLife's in 2001.

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                              • #35
                                Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

                                While I only rode Epcot's Soarin' once; I have noticed a similar lack of film quality at DCA. Fortunately the sheer novelty of the ride helps overcome this issue a bit. However I hope an upgraded Soarin' will come to both parks, and soon.
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