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  • #2
    Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

    wow! SORRY TO HEAR THIS, I did notice the yoho missing in the Grotto scene but it always seemed almost misplaced to me for some reason..

    When we were down there 6 months ago, the attractions we were on had everything in good working order...my my my how fast things change
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    • #3
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      It sounds to me like you went on an off day. I just spent 3 months at Magic Kingdom, and MSEP was always fully working and fully cast. Must have had a ton of call outs and casting issues, sadly it happens.. But it is better to have a parade, then no parade due to call outs. Most people have never seen it before.. and unless you want to deal with the angry hordes when the parade is cancelled... I am pretty sure it was better going on with less of the cast then with no parade at all.

      Pirates was changed when they added the mermaids... I really actually enjoyed the creepy essence in the caves from the new music. But to each his own, it was highly documented when they change occured.

      No excuse for broken animatronics, most of them were working quite well when I was there.. but it's a hard technology to keep up with. For all we know all those things went down and broke just that day. I was very impressed in my 3 months there with how well maintained it was, after hearing all these horror stories on Mice Chat.






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      • #4
        Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

        it's a hard technology to keep up with
        Shouldn't be if you've been doing it for 40 years and have the World's Best Imagineering team on staff...

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        • #5
          Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

          Originally posted by mikelieman View Post
          Shouldn't be if you've been doing it for 40 years and have the World's Best Imagineering team on staff...
          I 100% agree.
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          • #6
            Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

            Originally posted by mikelieman View Post
            Shouldn't be if you've been doing it for 40 years and have the World's Best Imagineering team on staff...
            Originally posted by KingEric View Post
            I 100% agree.
            I just love how some people believe they can run, or now better than some of these big companies.

            Just think of the logistics of doing repairs and upkeep. All has to be done at night while the park is closed. Doing it during the day would mean shutting the ride/show down (safety issues and so on) So now they MUST do this at night. That brings the issue of cost in pretty big as everyone is union workers. So now the pay has doubled for any work done. Then there is parts availablity, what do they have laying around for parts? It's not like you can run down to Home Depot and grab a few replacement parts.

            Could they do better? I'm sure they could. Is it cost effective? I don't know, but as it is a publicly owned company this is going to be a VERY big factor in deciding this.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
              I just love how some people believe they can run, or now better than some of these big companies.

              Just think of the logistics of doing repairs and upkeep. All has to be done at night while the park is closed. Doing it during the day would mean shutting the ride/show down (safety issues and so on) So now they MUST do this at night. That brings the issue of cost in pretty big as everyone is union workers. So now the pay has doubled for any work done. Then there is parts availablity, what do they have laying around for parts? It's not like you can run down to Home Depot and grab a few replacement parts.

              Could they do better? I'm sure they could. Is it cost effective? I don't know, but as it is a publicly owned company this is going to be a VERY big factor in deciding this.
              Now, now, common sense isn't allowed here....lol.....I talked to an owner of an amusement park once, and he was beefing about lights on a ride. Every night they change the burned out bulbs, shut them off, and come in the next day , turn them on, and other lights were out. ( they are switching to LED lights now) . If things bother you about maintenance, tell the management of the park. Whinning here does no good . Being "insulted " over the changing of a song, sounds childish. WDW has a lot that needs attention, and im sure they are aware of the problems, but if you think they arnt, call them ! Id rather see an attraction with one broken Ana., (as long as its temp., not like the Abdominal), than to visit the park and not experience the attraction at all. Said post is just one mans opinion and is no way a representation of Micechat.com or its affiliates.....lol

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              • #8
                Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

                Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
                I just love how some people believe they can run, or now better than some of these big companies.

                Just think of the logistics of doing repairs and upkeep. All has to be done at night while the park is closed. Doing it during the day would mean shutting the ride/show down (safety issues and so on) So now they MUST do this at night. That brings the issue of cost in pretty big as everyone is union workers. So now the pay has doubled for any work done. Then there is parts availablity, what do they have laying around for parts? It's not like you can run down to Home Depot and grab a few replacement parts.

                Could they do better? I'm sure they could. Is it cost effective? I don't know, but as it is a publicly owned company this is going to be a VERY big factor in deciding this.
                The premium for third shift maintenance is $1.25 an hour. They make a point of not bringing people in on overtime.

                As for parts, Disney used to keep many spare specialty parts around. Then they cleaned house and just dumped them if they haven't been used in the last two years.

                Originally posted by redrhino54 View Post
                Id rather see an attraction with one broken Ana., (as long as its temp., not like the Abdominal), than to visit the park and not experience the attraction at all.
                I have a feeling this is how it all started. "Well people won't notice one AA down. Oh we have two down now? That's not that big of a deal as long as it's not the central ones." Etc. Give an inch, take an ell.
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                • #9
                  Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

                  I could easily do better. The trick is that if you have a critical element required for The Show, you have three of them.

                  Think of it as "One on the back, one in the sack, and one on the rack" or something.

                  If it doesn't have to be laundred you can omit the one in the sack.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

                    Originally posted by mikelieman View Post
                    I could easily do better. The trick is that if you have a critical element required for The Show, you have three of them.

                    Think of it as "One on the back, one in the sack, and one on the rack" or something.

                    If it doesn't have to be laundred you can omit the one in the sack.

                    It's not a logistics problem, it's a money problem. Having to appease the stock holders doesn't mean making the rides all run like they are suppose to. It means more money in their pockets. If you spending THEIR money to have "One on the back, one in the sack, and one on the rack" then they are going to be all over you about it.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

                      Wow, this was a bad day in the park for sure. I thought it was bad that the "new" Tink float was missing from MSEP the last time I watched it..you know, being the newest of all, one would think it would be in the best shape...
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                      • #12
                        Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

                        I think you caught a rash of unfortunately events. Sometimes things happen in 3's, and sometimes they happen in multiple's of 3's. I was last on IASM about two or three weeks ago, didn't notice the missing music but WDW's load area is load and in the load station it is only BGM levels, not show levels, so I have always found it hard to hear the music in the load area when its packed in with guests. The clock's volume is at show levels so that will be heard. I did notice missing dolls you mentioned so yeah... whats up with that????

                        The change to the Grotto Scene.... um? Thats not a show issue. They change it. This has been well documented. I appreciate that you don't like the change, but insulting? Where is the insult? Changing a scene is either disappointing to some or exciting to others, but its not a break down, an error, or a reflection of poor upkept or break downs like most of the rest of your OP. The ride seem to be in good working order a couple of days ago. Splash Mt... not so much. Right out of the station, Brer Frog's mouth has almost NO movement. Just a hint of a slight "quiver" in the lower jaw when he talks. Several birds mouths did not move, but the rest of them seemed ok except for two in the "how do ya do" show scene that did not move at all. Laughing place did not have any leaping fountains jumping over the logs and none of the gophers popped up, or in the case of the one in the ceiling, popped down. But their voices were present. Vulture on the left had little movement and none in the face or mouth.

                        MSEP was fine the last two times I have seen, but there have seen Cindy's coach missing and in separate viewings, I have seen it where Pete's Dragon was missing. But clearly they were repaired and returned to the show, so.... they are a bit slow on repairing things but clearly they do. Overall I think MK is in pretty good shape right now, but yes, I can be better when all those issues add up.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

                          I know that the Grotto scene changed, but not that they decided to toss out Yoho. It's the main musical there that ties the whole show just like GGG ties Mansion. How would it be if one of the GGG music cues was changed to a completely unrelated music score? Or a Small World show room was not playing Small World?? That's what I meant. It's why I hate the movie music playing in Bombardment Bay.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

                            Originally posted by JCSkipr79 View Post
                            I know that the Grotto scene changed, but not that they decided to toss out Yoho. It's the main musical there that ties the whole show just like GGG ties Mansion. How would it be if one of the GGG music cues was changed to a completely unrelated music score? Or a Small World show room was not playing Small World?? That's what I meant. It's why I hate the movie music playing in Bombardment Bay.
                            Honestly, I feel the same about them removing the skull that says "Dead men tell no tales."
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                            • #15
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                              Yeah, the whole Pirates attraction, but especially the music, has become kind of a hodgepodge. It's not so much that the original music was objectively better, but it was all written to go together as one cohesive experience. It's like if you went to see West Side Story, and they'd stuck in songs from Show Boat and The Sound of Music every few minutes.

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                              • #16
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                                Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
                                It's not a logistics problem, it's a money problem. Having to appease the stock holders doesn't mean making the rides all run like they are suppose to. It means more money in their pockets. If you spending THEIR money to have "One on the back, one in the sack, and one on the rack" then they are going to be all over you about it.
                                Let them.

                                Let the stock holders complain that the value of their shares aren't going up enough. Then kindly point out that they are still going up. Explain to them that offering the highest quality product is and will always be what makes a successful business. This business model not only made Disney the only media company with its own fan club (I never heard of the Paramount expo) but this same philosophy of uncompromising quality has also worked for other companies like Apple. Explain to them that the entire Disney empire was built on the philosophy of quality and attention to detail above all else. Tell them that this attention to making sure every detail is as perfect as it can be is what sets this company above all its competitors. This is the company they have chosen to invest in. One that will not compromise on quality in order to make a quick buck. One that greatly increased the cost of producing a short cartoon by adding sound when few features were doing the same. This is the company that built it's own school to study things like how fabric moved and what bubbles looked like when they popped to make the animated versions of these things look better. It would have been cheaper not to invest in that research and just draw these things how you think they move. It also would have been cheaper not to do it at all. This company isn't about doing things cheaper, it is about doing them better. It is about doing them so well that once they are done people wonder how they ever got along without them. The the philosophy of exceeding expectations always has been and will continue to be the guiding principle of everything the company does.

                                Then have your two backup animatronics ready to be switched out at a moments notice and have all your guests telling their friends that Walt Disney World blew them away and everything was beyond perfect. Watch what that does to share prices.
                                It bothers me when people selectively edit quotes to support whatever point they are trying to prove.
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                                • #17
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                                  ^ An excellent post that explodes the excuse of "the shareholders make us do it" as justification for Disney's shortsighted management of its parks.
                                  "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                                  it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                                  together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                                  designed to appeal to everyone."

                                  - Walt Disney

                                  "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                                  - Michael Eisner

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                                  • #18
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                                    Originally posted by Dapper Dan View Post
                                    Let them.

                                    Let the stock holders complain that the value of their shares aren't going up enough. Then kindly point out that they are still going up. Explain to them that offering the highest quality product is and will always be what makes a successful business. This business model not only made Disney the only media company with its own fan club (I never heard of the Paramount expo) but this same philosophy of uncompromising quality has also worked for other companies like Apple. Explain to them that the entire Disney empire was built on the philosophy of quality and attention to detail above all else. Tell them that this attention to making sure every detail is as perfect as it can be is what sets this company above all its competitors. This is the company they have chosen to invest in. One that will not compromise on quality in order to make a quick buck. One that greatly increased the cost of producing a short cartoon by adding sound when few features were doing the same. This is the company that built it's own school to study things like how fabric moved and what bubbles looked like when they popped to make the animated versions of these things look better. It would have been cheaper not to invest in that research and just draw these things how you think they move. It also would have been cheaper not to do it at all. This company isn't about doing things cheaper, it is about doing them better. It is about doing them so well that once they are done people wonder how they ever got along without them. The the philosophy of exceeding expectations always has been and will continue to be the guiding principle of everything the company does.

                                    Then have your two backup animatronics ready to be switched out at a moments notice and have all your guests telling their friends that Walt Disney World blew them away and everything was beyond perfect. Watch what that does to share prices.
                                    Well said!

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: Maint. issues and cosmetic changes on MK Classics

                                      Originally posted by Dapper Dan View Post
                                      Let them.

                                      Let the stock holders complain that the value of their shares aren't going up enough. Then kindly point out that they are still going up. Explain to them that offering the highest quality product is and will always be what makes a successful business. This business model not only made Disney the only media company with its own fan club (I never heard of the Paramount expo) but this same philosophy of uncompromising quality has also worked for other companies like Apple. Explain to them that the entire Disney empire was built on the philosophy of quality and attention to detail above all else. Tell them that this attention to making sure every detail is as perfect as it can be is what sets this company above all its competitors. This is the company they have chosen to invest in. One that will not compromise on quality in order to make a quick buck. One that greatly increased the cost of producing a short cartoon by adding sound when few features were doing the same. This is the company that built it's own school to study things like how fabric moved and what bubbles looked like when they popped to make the animated versions of these things look better. It would have been cheaper not to invest in that research and just draw these things how you think they move. It also would have been cheaper not to do it at all. This company isn't about doing things cheaper, it is about doing them better. It is about doing them so well that once they are done people wonder how they ever got along without them. The the philosophy of exceeding expectations always has been and will continue to be the guiding principle of everything the company does.

                                      Then have your two backup animatronics ready to be switched out at a moments notice and have all your guests telling their friends that Walt Disney World blew them away and everything was beyond perfect. Watch what that does to share prices.
                                      I agree 100%, but tell that to the share holders! Todays investor is all about money now. They don't care what "your going to do for them tomorrow" they only care about today. On top of that, they ARE making money even with the "poor" state the parks are in today. Why should "they" give up profits so that "tomorrow" looks better?

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                                      • #20
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                                        Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
                                        I agree 100%, but tell that to the share holders! Todays investor is all about money now. They don't care what "your going to do for them tomorrow" they only care about today. On top of that, they ARE making money even with the "poor" state the parks are in today. Why should "they" give up profits so that "tomorrow" looks better?
                                        I agree with this and the earlier posts. I haven't been to WDW for a while but my visit to DLP this year was the only time I've felt sad at Disney. The place was falling apart, prices were high and no one cared about bad show on the rides. For a company like Disney who built their company on Walt's philosophy of loyalty and long term returns this will impact the bottom line, maybe not now but down the line.

                                        I'm a case in point not sure I'd go back to Florida, I think I'd rather remember the good times I had in the past than see what the money men have made WDW from what I read. Disney have lost my vacation money and if things continue to slide more people will vote with their feet and that will impact the bottom line. Of course by then the bankers and shareholders will have sold out and moved on to their next killing - sad, very sad.

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