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  • #21
    Re: My Magic+

    Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
    You people amaze me! The planning of your vacation "down to the minute" is an OPTION with this system. You don't HAVE to use it. You can still get your fastpasses at the rides, you can still walk up to and get in line for any ride at any time, and you can still "try" to walk up to a restaurant and get in.

    I just got back last night from a wonderful week at WDW and and the new readers make things much easier, so easy I can see many people spending much more on vacation, which is what Disney is shooting for any way.

    The system is there giving you options, not forcing you into something. You don't want to use the options, don't, it's as easy as that.
    Seriously, my concern is how will this impact the guests who choose not to utilize it? Will it be that necessary to even get dining reservations for EVERY meal days or weeks ahead of time? Will standby lines become outrageous as a result? I honestly don't know. If none of these things happen, then I have no problem, since I don't have to use it. But I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a concern.
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    • #22
      Re: My Magic+

      Originally posted by sbk1234 View Post
      Seriously, my concern is how will this impact the guests who choose not to utilize it? Will it be that necessary to even get dining reservations for EVERY meal days or weeks ahead of time? Will standby lines become outrageous as a result? I honestly don't know. If none of these things happen, then I have no problem, since I don't have to use it. But I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a concern.
      Exactly right. The idea that MM+ is purely optional -- that it won't negatively impact those who don't use it -- is a myth. The more people use it, the more those who don't use it will be pressured to join up. There is only so much capacity for the rides, meals and other facilities. The more people who use MM+ to reserve those facilities for themselves, the longer those who don't have MM+ will have to wait.

      Ultimately there will be so many MM+ users that the facilities will approach saturation, at which point Disney will establish some sort of "tiered MM+" -- where MM+ users who pay an additional premium fee get first choice of reservations, while those who "opt" not to pay have to wait.

      Remember, MM+ doesn't give the customers any new rides, restaurants or facilities. It just gives Disney the ability to more efficiently pack customers into those facilities. It gives Disney the ability to make more money from more customers WITHOUT expanding its facilities.

      Brilliant, eh? That's what happens when you give the keys to Walt's Magic Kingdom to a cadre of Chief Financial Officers and Strategic Planners, all of whom cut their teeth under Michael Eisner.
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      it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
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      • #23
        Re: My Magic+

        Dining reservations already have to be made far in advance -- My Magic+ isn't changing anything there. It may encourage more people to use the dining program, which could lead to some more people eating at table service restaurants more often, but I doubt My Magic+ will make anyone blind to the fact that the dining plan isn't a very good deal, value wise.

        As far as the Fastpass+ forcing people into a more regimented schedule -- it's not like you HAVE to show up for the reserved Fastpass. If you really want to change your plans, fine! The stand-by lines still exist, and if you really like to just wander from ride to ride, my guess is you aren't using all that many regular Fastpasses now, because even those require planning a few hours in advance...

        Also, you don't have to plot out the whole day - you could reserve your three passes all in the morning, or all in the evening, and then leave the rest of your day open.

        This system is going to allow Disney to maximize the Fastpass system and track crowd patterns so that everything will run much more efficiently. A lot of people seem to think it is going to increase stand-by wait times -- why would that be the case?

        I do agree that it will be very tempting for Disney to eventually create a tiered system where you can pay for more Fastpasses, which I would not like to see...at least if this did happen, the Magic Bands would make it sort of invisible. It wouldn't be like at other parks where people with an express pass have a special card or use a separate line, which then makes everyone in the regular line feel like a chump. At Disney, if you saw someone go thru the Fastpass line, you'd have no idea whether they were using one of 3 regular passes, or one of an unlimited number of passes...

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        • #24
          Re: My Magic+

          The Fastpass + will ruin the average theme park guest wait times for the attractions, the same way the Dining Plan and advance priority seating has made it almost impossible for the average person to walk up and try to get a seat at any Disney restaurant.

          Yes, the resort guests who have the opportunity to use the magic bands don't have to stick to their chosen schedule, but there will be the ones who will book the max number of fastpasses they can, thereby lowering the availability of the fastpass a non magic band guest can get & will force those who don't have the option of a magic band much longer ride wait times.

          With several thousand magic bands in use on a daily basis, how can those who don't have one be able to have the same experience as the ones who do??

          It's already almost impossible to get a reservation months in advance at the most popular dining spots like the ones in Cinderella's castle- those are gone within minutes of when the reservation windows open online. So how are people going to secure fastpass reservations to the most popular attractions when I'm sure thousands of people will be online trying to book their fastpasses when the fastpass window opens a few months in advance??

          I don't know or care to know the ratio of resort guests to other day guests in the parks, but I'm sure there are thousands of them every day & I'm sure many of them will be more than pissed off when they find out that they may not be able to go on as many of the attractions, and may be waiting longer than usual than those happy magic banders who booked up the maximum number of fastpasses they can.

          I just believe it is going to be a nightmare for Disney in the long run who will have yet even more complaints and pissed off guests than they have now.

          Disney had better expand their guest services staff when this system goes fully in effect- I know they will need it.

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          • #25
            Re: My Magic+

            Originally posted by PBandJ View Post
            A lot of people seem to think it is going to increase stand-by wait times -- why would that be the case?
            Because fastpass already increases standby wait times. How would more fastpasses make this any better?
            It bothers me when people selectively edit quotes to support whatever point they are trying to prove.
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            • #26
              Re: My Magic+

              I find it somewhat amusing that people think that MyMagic+ is gonna be mandatory once it is implemented. Which it will not be. It's not like the Stand-by lines are going anywhere.

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              • #27
                Re: My Magic+

                You know, the fastpass+ times you schedule months in advance aren't set in stone, right? You can change them around all the way up to your first scheduled time of that day. You either do this on your smart phone app, or at the kiosks if you don't have a smart phone. Spontaneity isn't completely dead. Also, I'm looking forward to how this will change my typical touring schedule. No longer will I need to be there are rope drop to get a decent time for Toy Story Mania. I can schedule all three fastpasses for the evening and sleep in in the mornings and take my time around the parks.

                As far as being limited to three, it's not often I even use three fastpasses a day. Hell, most of the time if I play the cards right, I don't even use 2. And outside Magic Kingdom, you're really stretching to find a third option. The system isn't the anti-christ of theme parks like many are making it out to be. And right now is just a testing phase. Testing phases are there to work out the kinks and fix things as they go along. It's just a test for now. I'm sure the whole system will be smoother when it fully rolls out. A company doesn't spend $1billion+ for a crap system. They'll make sure it works. And i'm done here.

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                • #28
                  Re: My Magic+

                  Originally posted by film975 View Post
                  I find it somewhat amusing that people think that MyMagic+ is gonna be mandatory once it is implemented. Which it will not be.
                  It won't be "officially" mandatory. But the more people who utilize it, the more those who don't will be pressured to do so -- or suffer endless standby status as virtual second-class customers.

                  The key here is that WDW is not adding rides, restaurants or shops for the MyMagic+ users. It's just giving the MM+ folks first crack at what's there. The more MM+ users who reserve WDW's resources for themselves, the more non-MM+ users will be pushed to the back to the line... until eventually there's no room for anyone but MM+ users.

                  At which point Disney will roll out MM++ and the cycle will start all over again.

                  The only thing Disney is selling with MM+ is privilege. The privilege of being first in the pecking order for a limited amount of resources.

                  The snake-oil aspect of it is the myth that in a land of limited resources, everyone can be first, and get as much as they want, when they want.
                  Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 10-02-2013, 07:57 PM.
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                  it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                  together with every variety of recreation and fun,
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                  - Walt Disney

                  "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                  - Michael Eisner

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                  • #29
                    Re: My Magic+

                    Originally posted by Dapper Dan View Post
                    Because fastpass already increases standby wait times. How would more fastpasses make this any better?
                    I don't think MM+ adds more Fastpasses - it just changes the way guests receive Fastpasses. The number of Fastpasses given out per hour will stay the same, it's just that MM+ guests are reserving the passes ahead of time rather than picking them up in the park.

                    If there were not a finite number of Fastpasses given out per ride per hour, then the Fastpass line would grow longer and completely defeat the purpose of the whole system.

                    I do hope that Fastpass+ reservations will only become available a month or so away from a trip - not 180 days like ADRs. I rarely plan a trip more than a month or two in advance, so I can pretty much count on never getting a reservation at Le Celllier or similarly swamped restaurants. But restaurants have a much lower capacity and slower turn-around rate than rides, so I don't think the reservation situation with Fastpasses would get as bad as the ADR situation.

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                    • #30
                      Re: My Magic+

                      just got our mm+ bands in the mail, like the whole presentation is very nice. Looks like a bunch of detail went in. not sure how I feel about the colors though, they are a shade or two lighter than the website.



                      other than that I do like aspects of this system, it keeps me from having to have two or three places to keep/look up our various dining, hotel reservations and the like. I also like that there is no real way to lose your key to the world card as it's right there on your wrist.

                      I did set up a pin to avoid unwanted charges to my card. and my soon to be fiancee set up her own pin separate from mine.

                      the only thing I'm not to keen on is fastpasses though I'm sure if done right it'll neither improve nor detract from the problems the current system has...

                      that's my first impression after working with it a bit and setting everything up. So far it's running very nice and communicating well with the various parts though I screenshot and have hard copies of everything just in case as this IS a soft opening type of trial/beta testing.
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                      • #31
                        Re: My Magic+

                        You know, I just realized. This is a lot like the NFC ( Near-Field Communication ) features on my Google Nexus 4 phone. I wonder if I can avoid all this 'magic band' marketing and just use my phone to access the services like I do at Shop-rite.

                        The obvious benefit to this is that there truly is "ONE PLACE" for all my stuff. Seeing as the phone is my GPS, and has everything else in google docs, being able to use it instead of these disposable, wasteful, environmentally unfriendly bands keeps them from having to destroy the environment to mine MORE rare semiconductor minerals, and then the inevitable chemical wastes from making the plastic, and the packaging, and then it all goes in the landfill.

                        I guess all I really need is a "My Magic+" APP for my android smartphone, and we're done.

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                        • #32
                          Re: My Magic+

                          Originally posted by mikelieman View Post
                          ...I guess all I really need is a "My Magic+" APP for my android smartphone, and we're done.
                          True. But then Disney wouldn't be able to charge you as much. Plus you wouldn't be giving the MM+ program free advertising by walking around with those brightly colored wristbands.
                          "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                          it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                          together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                          designed to appeal to everyone."

                          - Walt Disney

                          "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                          - Michael Eisner

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                          • #33
                            Re: My Magic+

                            I agree that using already-existing smartphone technology in lieu of magic bands would be less wasteful and less expensive, but rather than immediately searching for the most negative and cynical explanation, I would say that the reason this wouldn't work is that not every person (and certainly not every child!) owns a smartphone. I also think that getting the system to work smoothly with the hundreds of different types of smartphones in existence would be quite difficult.

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                            • #34
                              Re: My Magic+

                              not only that with not everyone having a smartphone, but a lot of people (approx half) have windows or iphones and both apple and Nokia have yet to put any sort of NFC capability in their phones to my knowledge.

                              doing the magic band on the phone would be a bigger pain in the butt than its worth at this time...maybe in the future they will add this capability but I doubt it. its much easier to lose a phone on a rode or something than something strapped to your wrist.
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                              • #35
                                Re: My Magic+

                                Earlier this month I spent a long weekend at the Polynesian Resort and we received the test magic bands. I can see the long term advantage of the bands. Since you can only pick 3 rides per day in one park for Fast Pass +, it does not leave me with the feeling that the new system will prevent last minute visitors from obtaining reservations. In fact, we didn't even book the Fast Pass + reservations until we arrived at the hotel.

                                Clearly the magic bands are in a test phase.

                                (1) I received a magic band with my name on it, but even the hotel concierge could not link it to the My Disney Experience account on the website. They told me the band was linked automatically to the person who made the hotel reservations. Thus, even though I had the magic band, I could never see it on my own internet account and it ultimately proved near useless to me;

                                (2) As I understand, you need to link the admission media to the magic band. This worked fine for the others in my party who bought 4 day park hopper passes. In my case, I spent a lot of time messing around with the website only to have the concierge call the office that administers passports to be told that Disney Premier Passports are incompatible with magic bands. Thus, if you buy up to the ultimate with DL/WDW access you are currently out of luck using the magic band. So everyone else used the bands for entry and my Premier Passport lacking an RFID chip delayed us at every park as they called someone who had an iPAD that could read the passport.

                                (3) My three traveling companions all booked the Fast Pass + times for our group. Since I knew my band was not linked to my online account but to the other person who booked the reservation, I thought I should try my band to see if it might still work. We started in on the rides and I actually was admitted with my group consistently. It was only on the last day that I was awoken from my blissful ignorance when someone told me I actually had no reservation-- I guess as a test they were activating my magic band at every ride entry because they recognized that everyone else in my party had a valid reservation. Maybe they realize they are having these problems in the test phase.

                                (4) As a side bar comment on Premier Passports-- if you have one without the RFID chip, I finally learned I could exchange it at guest relations for a new pass card. (That still doesnt mean it is compatible with the magic band.) Whether you initiate the exchange at DL or WDW, you subsequently have to go to Guest Relations in the other park to activate the replacement card a second time for that park. And oh by the way-- if you are buying a high priced Premier Passport, buy it on your trip to Disneyland as California does not charge sales tax on admission media as in Florida. On a near $1K pass purchase, that's a lot of savings in sales tax.
                                Last edited by Royal Street; 10-29-2013, 12:36 PM.

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                                • #36
                                  Re: My Magic+

                                  ​Thanks for the update.
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                                  • #37
                                    Re: My Magic+

                                    Originally posted by Royal Street View Post
                                    In my case, I spent a lot of time messing around with the website only to have the concierge call the office that administers passports to be told that Disney Premier Passports are incompatible with magic bands. Thus, if you buy up to the ultimate with DL/WDW access you are currently out of luck using the magic band.
                                    I was also told this on my late September visit. When I got back home, I saw my Premier pass was now linked to my MDE account. So I'm hoping they finally figgered out a way to make the Premier pass work.

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                                    • #38
                                      Re: My Magic+

                                      Originally posted by Royal Street View Post
                                      Earlier this month I spent a long weekend at the Polynesian Resort and we received the test magic bands. I can see the long term advantage of the bands. Since you can only pick 3 rides per day in one park for Fast Pass +, it does not leave me with the feeling that the new system will prevent last minute visitors from obtaining reservations. In fact, we didn't even book the Fast Pass + reservations until we arrived at the hotel.
                                      There is the problem. Only three FP rides per day is ridiculous. You can get significantly more from the current FP system.
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                                      • #39
                                        Re: My Magic+

                                        My boyfriend and I just spent a weekend at WDW and I wanted to share our experiences...

                                        Background: This was our third trip to WDW in total over the past few years and we went this time on a Florida resident annual pass. This was our first time staying on resort property, and we stayed at Caribbean Beach.

                                        We planned our vacation only a few weeks in advance, and received our bands upon arriving at the resort. The *BIGGEST* problem we had was that the concierge desk attached both of our bands to my boyfriend's credit card. This one mistake followed us for the rest of the trip. We had absolutely no problems using our MB for our resort room key or for park admissions. The night we arrived, I went to MDE.com and "installed" a credit card to my account so that I would --I thought-- have one attached to my band. The next day I tried to buy merchandise at Magic Kingdom, and my PIN wouldn't work. We went to the MK concierge desk and I explained to them what happened. The cast member there seemed to understand what happened, and --we thought-- fixed the problem. On Day 2, my boyfriend couldn't use HIS MB to purchase anything. So that day we went to the resort concierge and explained this to them, and they tried to fix it again. They set it up so that we were able to charge forward on separate accounts, but did not separate out previous charges. This became a problem later in the evening when I tried to make a fairly substantial purchase. We learned that the MB places a $1000 limit per account, which *collectively* we had nearly reached and I was attempting to exceed with my purchase.... and was therefore declined. This had now become ridiculous. So the following day we were having breakfast at Animal Kingdom Lodge (who definitely has the best of everything... I think we'll stay there from now on), and I talked to the concierge there. They figured out the problem for real this time and fixed it within a few minutes. They told me that it was a user error from the initial check in. They separated out all of our charges to both separate accounts, so that we could charge forward as desired before reaching the account limit on the MB.

                                        1) This is only a minor problem, because you can still always use your regular plastic to pay. But it was annoying, because we were frustrated that our money wasn't being allocated properly. BF had much less money in his checking account than I did, so it could have been a substantial issue. I just wanted everyone else to be aware of it before travelling.
                                        2) One thing we did notice is that our annual passholder discount is NOT attached to the MB. If you want your discount, you have to either whip out all your plastic (and you might as well pay with plastic too) or forget it. I was kind of glad that the big purchase I made was declined because I remembered to use my passholder.
                                        3) Our MB worked for everything else. We had one minor blip with BF's admission on one day but the cast member got it to work without major hold up. Otherwise everything else worked and we liked it.
                                        4) I'm still kind of lukewarm about FP+. They're not as flexible as the regular FP but it was nice to be able to get them without walking across the parks, etc. Plus, there are added benefits. We were in Animal Kingdom one day when we were in line for Everest, which we had already used a FP+ for, when the ride was shut down. Not only did we get a paper FP for that ride, but we also got to reuse our FP+ for ANY ride.
                                        5) The only hold-ups we experienced were dumb people who couldn't figure out how to scan their stupid MB. Instead of "tap mickey to mickey" like the cast members say, we figured out it was easier to *roll* the flat part of the band until the mickey turned green.

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                                        • #40
                                          Re: My Magic+

                                          Originally posted by disneylandfan95 View Post
                                          Management won't (can't) admit it, but it's a mess. The official "launch" date has been postponed multiple times because it just cannot be effectively rolled out. Guests participating in the testing phase have not been too impressed, either.

                                          Just look at the budget, which is ballooning close to $3 billion (with a "b")!!

                                          I shouldn't have said it was "cancelled" for Anaheim, but it has been put on "indefinite hold" and will probably never come to California.
                                          The price tag isn't $3 billion, more like $1 billion for all parks worldwide when the final tally is done, RFID readers/Magic Bands are relatively cheap technology, there were plans to put RFIDs in grocery items to ease checkout times many years ago, and Great Wolf water parks has been using them since 2006!

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