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  • [Chat] Theme Violations at WDW

    This is a discussion about theme violations. What attractions we feel like violate the themes of the areas they are supposed to represent. I will kick it off with my top theme violations at Walt Disney World, please feel free to disagree, agree, or add your own Theme Violations!

    Magic Kingdom:

    1. Monster Inc Laugh Floor - How do monsters in an alternate Universe generating power through the power of laughter have to do with "Tomorrow Land"

    2. Buzz Light Year Space Ranger Spin - Now this might belong in Tomorrowland, if the queue and ride wasn't full of toy props. Are we actually in the Buzz Light Year world, or are we toys battling toys? These theme violations keep you from understanding your place in Tomorrowland.

    3. Stitches Great Escape - Now overall this technically fits the concept for Tomorrowland (besides the fact that it technically happens in the PAST pre Lilo and Stich... so how can we be in the future and past at the same time) but the ending where Stitch jumps on the Castle and rides the Orbitron ruins the theme.

    Epcot

    1. The Seas with Nemo and Friends - We start off on the Australian coast, we dive underwater, take an underwater journey then end up in an underwater Sea Base? Zero sense is made in this redo.

    2. Soarin' - Why am I at a pavillion celebrating the earth, and then taking a trip to California? Why?

    3. Gran Fiesta Tour - Why is Jose a Brazillian bird helping to give a tour of Mexico? Also why does the animation for the 3 Caballeros not match the styling designed by Mary Blair when the ride first opened?

    4. The Queue for Malestrom - Why? It is like a cooridor to a restroom at a mall.

    Disney's Hollywood Studios

    1. The HAT - Never have I hated something so much in a theme park. Why is it there? How does this sympolize Hollywood? Show Biz? Movie Making? Cinema? WHY?

    2. Toy Story Mania - You are "shrunk down" to the size of a toy, but outside Midway Mania, there are full sized toys, so are we to assume that the toys escaped from under the bed and are consuming the Pixar Studios area?

    3. Sci Fi Diner - How is it a "Hot Set" are we supposed to believe that this restaurant is used for filming?

    4. The entire park - What is this park? A Nostalgic nod to the golden era of movie making? Or a current filming studio? Or collection of movie based shows and attractions with no coherent theme?

    Disney's Animal Kingdom

    None, while I might not be a fan of everything in this park, there is a thematic reason for everything that exists in this park.
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    Excellent points. Can't say I disagree with most of them.

    Although I could probably defend the Maelstrom queue for being a product of Epcot (and the era it was designed) and perhaps just lack of theme, rather than violation thereof.

    Hollywood Studios doesn't really portray itself as a working studio anymore, I suppose that the working elements ie. the Catastrophe Canyon 'film set' or the Motors filming are part of the theme of the movies in general.

    And finally, Animal Kingdom. Not arguing there, its just surprising when you think of it that this some time (erroneously) derided park is the poster child for outstanding theme without deviations from its original brief. I guess you could probably counter with "give it time". After all the early years of Epcot probably achieved this same level of exacting theme.
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    • #3
      Re: Theme Violations at WDW

      Originally posted by KingEric View Post
      Disney's Animal Kingdom

      None, while I might not be a fan of everything in this park, there is a thematic reason for everything that exists in this park.
      That'll change when Avatar-land comes into the picture.

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      • #4
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        Great points and I agree with all of them. I think the most egregious of them are the ones in Tomorrowland. Stitch's Great Escape is a very poor replacement for AE and the ending just ruins the already lackluster experience. Monsters Inc while its a good show, doesn't really belong there. I think Monsters Inc and Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin ride could be moved over to a redesigned DHS.
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        • #5
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          Isn't almost the entire EPCOT Future World now a theme violation?

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          • #6
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            I agree with that. As I said in another post "I remember what EPCOT once was and the version that's here today pales in comparison".
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            • #7
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              Also I know that people are going to look at me funny but how does Splash fit in Frontierland it takes place in the deep south not the west. they should have built Western River...

              Also Tomorrowland Speedway has nothing to do with SiFi or the future...
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                What year... Scratch that.

                Which Century is depicted in New Fantasyland ?

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                • #9
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                  As I agree with some, but not all of your misplaced attractions, you forgot to say where you WOULD have put them?
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                  • #10
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                    The fallacy of that question is the premise: "We have to plop this thing somewhere" instead of "let's imagine something perfectly suited and tailored to this fine place we are trying to depict."

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                    • #11
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                      I agree!

                      As for other examples, while some would argue that it does fit, I've always seen the Aladdin carpets ride in Adventureland a theme violation. While I can see it as "adventuresome," Adventureland has always represented a tropical jungle atmosphere. Aladdin took place in a desert. It always seems so jarring to me to be at the Swiss Treehouse or Junglecruise and see this representation of a desert.
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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by sbk1234 View Post
                        I agree!

                        As for other examples, while some would argue that it does fit, I've always seen the Aladdin carpets ride in Adventureland a theme violation. While I can see it as "adventuresome," Adventureland has always represented a tropical jungle atmosphere. Aladdin took place in a desert. It always seems so jarring to me to be at the Swiss Treehouse or Junglecruise and see this representation of a desert.
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                        • #13
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                          Hester and chesters carnival nightmare isn't technicall a theme violation. It's a carnival, set up adjacent to a paleontological dig site. I never knew that was the story until I started reading the backstory to the park though, and it always stands out to me as an unsightly and unnecessary area. It's like, technically they didn't break theming laws, but this is the kind of thing that if I was a supreme court justice I would change the law about.

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                            Re: Theme Violations at WDW

                            Originally posted by sbk1234 View Post
                            I agree!

                            As for other examples, while some would argue that it does fit, I've always seen the Aladdin carpets ride in Adventureland a theme violation. While I can see it as "adventuresome," Adventureland has always represented a tropical jungle atmosphere. Aladdin took place in a desert. It always seems so jarring to me to be at the Swiss Treehouse or Junglecruise and see this representation of a desert.
                            adventureland was always more complex then that though. its not simply just tropical jungle, there is the Caribbean around pirates, polynesian influences, the jungle cruise which is sort of generic jungle but more african then anything else, and the bazar which was initially there taking up that space and its middle eastern vibe. the ride does fit thematically at the end of the day, however my issue with it is that it doesn't fit LITERALLY creating arguably the worst bottle neck in the entire resort.

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                              Originally posted by brianpinsky View Post
                              Also I know that people are going to look at me funny but how does Splash fit in Frontierland it takes place in the deep south not the west. they should have built Western River...
                              Splash Mountain also ruins the masterful movement through time and place as one goes from Liberty Square through Frontierland.

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                              • #16
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                                Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
                                What year... Scratch that.

                                Which Century is depicted in New Fantasyland ?
                                I find the praise for keeping a person captive far more disturbing. Why is the west side of a Fantasyland now anchored by Rapunzel's prison? Why does Maurice use his magic mirror to take us to meet his daughter while she is the Beast's hostage? Why are we dining at said hostage holding BEAST's palace? The original plans also had us visiting the Tremaine estate, but at least that experience was to show us the happy ending.

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                                • #17
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                                  WOW some great posts!

                                  Yes Splash Mountain is also a Theme Violation, one that we have all just accepted. But it does not fit the "Frontier" theme, except it does have a lot of red rock.

                                  I also toyed with putting the Flying Carpets on here. But as others stated, the Adventureland theme is prett fluid around the world with Pacific Islands, the Caribbean, the Jungles of Africa all being depicted. So it is boarder line.

                                  Like others, I WISH I could say Chester and Hester were a theme violation, however because they were very intelligently incorporated into the theme of Dinoland USA, it is not.

                                  But while most of Futureworld at Epcot is a theme violation, there are a few pavilions that technically are not in violation.

                                  1. Test Track - It is now forward thinking about the future of cars
                                  2. Mission Space - forward thinking about the future of space travel
                                  3. Ellen's Energy Adventure - outdated, but true to the theme
                                  4. Journey into Imagination with Figment - while you might not be a fan, it is an exploration of what you imagination is.
                                  4. Spaceship Earth - while the decent might make most of us weep, it is technically future focused even if it is told through an old eSurance commercial animation.
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                                  • #18
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                                    Originally posted by KingEric View Post
                                    Yes Splash Mountain is also a Theme Violation, one that we have all just accepted. But it does not fit the "Frontier" theme, except it does have a lot of red rock.
                                    It is Georgia red clay, not rock.

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                                    • #19
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                                      I like this thread a lot. It's thought provoking.

                                      To me, Tomorrowland is kind of the dumping ground for things that the Consumer Products division wants in the parks to sell merchandise...and if it can in any way be connected to "aliens" or "space" then they stick it in Tomorrowland. Really, to them, Tomorrowland has become "Space Land" and anything vaguely "space" goes there.

                                      Monsters Inc. is there because someone thought that monsters are close enough to "aliens" to belong there...and there was nowhere else to put anything Monsters Inc related. Because Monsters Inc. sells a lot of merchandise, they wanted to do something with it and they forced it into Tomorrowland.

                                      I really wish "Meet the Robinsons" had been a big hit. Then, they could have redone Tomorrowland with the Robinsons as the heart and core...and had it be a land about inventors, inventions, and the limitless possibilities of the future. That could have been really cool. And even Buzz Lightyear could have made sense in that land if "Star Command" was fleshed out a little to maybe be an actual thing that exists in the future.

                                      I think with the Star Wars purchase that we're going to eventually get a Tomorrowland that is really just a space port setting...and the attractions would all be departures off into world's from that port. I think this will work...but we are many, many years from Tomorrowland making any real sense.

                                      As for the "Hat" at DHS. I teach my kids to never, ever use the word "hate"...but, oh, that hat. It makes me angry when I see it. Worse, is the stage they built in front of it. It's just ugly upon ugly. There is a house not far from where my sister lives where the people there have a bunch of cars up on blocks and an old truck and other junk. It looks like a house you'd see on the show Hoarders. Every time I see that Big Annoying Hat at DHS I think of those kinds of junky houses...and it feels like DHS is a park where they just let this clutter sit for all these years.

                                      I really hope Disney learned a lesson from this and is not going to do any more elaborate, expensive, decorations that are "temporary". Because we know that in many cases these things aren't really temporary. They just sit there like hoarders' junk and clutter. I don't even remember what that "hat" was supposed to celebrate originally. Was it the millennium, or some park milestone for DHS? It just sat there for years.

                                      What makes me angriest about the Hat is the excuse I've seen repeatedly for why it was never removed: that it was not in the budget to tear it down, so it was cheaper to leave it up. By that logic, we should all just leave our Christmas trees and lights up all year forever. Because that is easier than taking decorations down when the occasion is over.

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                                      • #20
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                                        It was put up for the 100 Years of Magic celebrating Walts birth. Wow I can't imagine the WDW of today throwing a celebration like that again. How times change.

                                        And I think you are right about Tomorrowland it is just a dumping ground. Now if I were king of WDW. I would have put Monsters Inc Laugh Floor in DHS by Midway Mania in the Pixar Studios area.
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