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  • Garthilk
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    The preview was done at the first-ever D23 Expo in Japan, and some of the images are now online. The photo above features James Cameron, Walt Disney Parks & Resorts Chairman Tom Staggs and Imagineer Joe Rohde looking at a model of the upcoming land. See concept art photos and learn more after the jump.Here are details on the new Avatar Land addition:

    Our combined team has taken huge steps forward in “imagineering” Pandora as a real place for our guests to see, hear and touch. As these concept renderings show in epic scale, in the world of AVATAR guests will encounter awe-inspiring floating mountains and wander through a nighttime jungle of bioluminescent plants that are alive with light and sound. Guests will also discover what it feels like to soar into the sky riding a Banshee.


    So this confirms two rides and a walk-through experience for the new land:

    • A Pirates of the Caribbean-like water ride (although its unclear if its an indoor dark ride like Pirates or an outside experience like Jungle Cruise).
    • And a flying simulator ride which will let guest “discover what it feels like to soar into the sky riding a Banshee.” Could this be a retheming of Soarin (which is already in Disney’s California Adventure and Florida’s Epcot parks) or an entirely new ride system?
    • A walk through a bioluminecent jungle experience

  • Mewshuji
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    ... Huh, I didn't even think of that. It would, now wouldn't it?
    Too bad it won't happen. I mean I am enamored by what they've shown us of Avatarland but I really would prefer a Beastly Kingdom, yeah.

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  • Dapper Dan
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    Originally posted by Mewshuji View Post
    However, consider that depending on who you ask, you are always going to get a different rendering of a "dragon", or "unicorn", or, indeed, "yeti". Some people on our planet think the word dragon (or what dragon translates into in their language) means a creature with a human's face, a turtle's shell, and a lion's body. Some people see the qilin, the "Chinese Unicorn" as resembling the common European invisionment of the unicorn, or a more fantastical giraffe (indeed, kirin means both qilin and giraffe in Japanese)... while others see it as a chimera with horse, lion, tiger, fish, and other animal parts.

    Fact is, mythological creatures would be interpreted just as unusually as any alien would. Maybe not to us, but to other people who visit Disney Parks? Certainly.
    That would make a great Beastly Kingdom exhibit.

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  • jcruise86
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    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Notwithstanding Expedition Everest (a roller coaster which opened almost eight years ago and is famous for its broken "Disco Yeti" AA), the criticism that people have of Avatarland is hardly excessive; it has been well earned by Disney management's notorious budget slashing and micromanagement of WDI's efforts.

    The lackluster quality of new WDW attractions, the decline of WDW maintenance and the overall declining-by-degrees of WDW's offerings in general over the last 15 years is testament to management's shortsighted focus on stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. The skepticism of Avatarland isn't about the talent of Joe, it's about the narrow vision of his Disney bosses who call the shots.
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    ^ Well put. ^

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  • biggsworth
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    Originally posted by WDWorldly View Post
    About.com talks to Joe Rohde (10/17/13)

    So, right, it'll look just like LightMagic and the rides will be nothing more than Soarin' and Jungle Cruise with blue people.

    I always wonder if people look to this comparrison when comparing POTC and IASW they are the same ride system arent they? Or heck Dinosaur and Indy they are the exact same layout and ride system. IMO the experiences on all these attractions are way different because of how they are used. Where the Pandora attractions might be using the same systems that current attractions use, I would guess the experience will be different.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Notwithstanding Expedition Everest (a roller coaster which opened almost eight years ago and is famous for its broken "Disco Yeti" AA), the criticism that people have of Avatarland is hardly excessive; it has been well earned by Disney management's notorious budget slashing and micromanagement of WDI's efforts.

    The lackluster quality of new WDW attractions, the decline of WDW maintenance and the overall declining-by-degrees of WDW's offerings in general over the last 15 years is testament to management's shortsighted focus on stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. The skepticism of Avatarland isn't about the talent of Joe, it's about the narrow vision of his Disney bosses who call the shots.

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  • WDWorldly
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    Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
    well I would argue expedition everest but I can see where your coming from.
    Not to mention the fact that the person responsible for imagineering Everest, Disney's best original attraction in recent years, is the imagineer overseeing the Avatar project, which will encompass more than a single attraction, have 5x the budget, relate to the park's theme, and will look something like this (so maybe a little different than the sub redo?). The cynicism people tend to have towards this project is excessive.

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  • goofy donald
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    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Unfortunately, there's nothing in what Disney has built in the last 15 years in the DLR or WDW that suggests Avatarland will be any more than that -- except in the fantasy world of Disney's over-the-top hype.
    well I would argue expedition everest but I can see where your coming from.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by About.com
    He also contends that a visit to the Pandora he and his team are creating will be a "transformational experience that you really will remember for the rest of your life."
    After experiencing the lackluster reality of what Tony called a "major E-Ticket" (Disneyland's Finding Nemo Underwater Kiddie Video), I'll be interested to see what Joe calls a "transformational experience."



    Originally posted by WDWorldly View Post
    So, right, it'll look just like LightMagic and the rides will be nothing more than Soarin' and Jungle Cruise with blue people.
    Unfortunately, there's nothing in what Disney has built in the last 15 years in the DLR or WDW that suggests Avatarland will be any more than that -- except in the fantasy world of Disney's over-the-top hype.

    Still, in theory it's not impossible for Disney to turn the wallowing battleship of their creativity around and actually build something truly innovative with... how did Joe put it?... "new technology, new art, new materials, and a healthy dose of innovation." He left out "and the same old Eisner-trained management hierarchy breathing down my neck and slashing the budget."

    We'll see how the reality of Avatarland matches the hype of Joe's corporate-approved talking points.

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  • WDWorldly
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    About.com talks to Joe Rohde (10/17/13)
    While he didn't divulge much, he did clear up a few misconceptions and provide a few bits of info about the ambitious project. For example, it has been widely rumored that the land's E-Ticket attraction, which will simulate an airborne ride aboard a Pandoran banshee creature, would use a ride system patterned after the popular
    Soarin'
    attractions at Epcot and Disney California Adventure. Rohde said that there might be some similarities, but that the Avatar attraction would be "considerably more thrilling" than Soarin' and incorporate some new, groundbreaking features. He also said that even though the movie on which it is based is the most popular 3D film ever produced, his Imagineering team had not yet decided whether to render the media for the attraction in 3D.
    Rohde says that apart from the rides, the land "will seem to be a living creature itself." He also contends that a visit to the Pandora he and his team are creating will be a "transformational experience that you really will remember for the rest of your life." To build the fanciful world, Rohde says that the Imagineers are exploring new technology, new art, and new materials, and are employing a healthy dose of innovation. In my conversation with him, he didn't offer any more details about the "floating mountains," but said that they would be a centerpiece of the new land, and that they would delight guests.
    So, right, it'll look just like LightMagic and the rides will be nothing more than Soarin' and Jungle Cruise with blue people.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by WDWorldly View Post
    On the other hand, the evidence for what Cars, The Little Mermaid, and Monsters, Inc. have to do with California is more tenuous and ironically provokes fewer complaints here, but Avatar warrants a scathing editorial and tons of comments objecting to it.
    In point of fact, Carsland and Mermaid (Carsland especially) were heavily criticized on the DLR forum when they were announced, when they were under construction and after their opening, as is Monsters currently.

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  • WDWorldly
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    Originally posted by BogLurch View Post
    It's a sticky point, but Avatar is *not* about the value of nature - it's about the value of indigenous cultures and uses the respect of the Navii for their flora/fauna as a shortcut through the cultural shorthand of "all native cultures respect the land and are good". The thematic and script similarities to Dances With Wolves are... deep and very prevalent. In both movies the native tribes exploited by the more advanced "others" drives things, and the "respect for nature" that the heroes experience on their journey are a symbol of the tribe, not the driving force behind the movie.
    I agree with this earlier comment:

    Conservation is an important message in several of the attractions, but it is not the central message that ties everything together.
    Avatar and Animal Kingdom have consistent underlying values systems and thus arrive at a lot of the same conclusions. It's clear that the "intrinsic value of nature" is a premise or foundational principle that both share. From that overarching theme comes the specific messages of the stories told in Animal Kingdom's attractions and in Avatar's narrative that relate back to that original premise. One of the themes that's often emphasized in the park is conservation, but it's not the only one and it isn't the foundational "central message that ties everything together." (The idea that it's fundamentally just about animals or how they're meaningful to us, though, is a misinterpretation considering what the park's lead imagineer has said and how that's evidenced in the park.)

    So the "intrinsic value of nature" isn't just a point of conflict or symbol - it's the reason why the film exalts the indigenous as greater protectors of the planet. In any case, perfect alignment with a park's central message isn't absolutely necessary and very rarely is the case with Disney, but in this case it comes very close: evidence for the similarities are plentiful and obvious. On the other hand, the evidence for what Cars, The Little Mermaid, and Monsters, Inc. have to do with California is more tenuous and ironically provokes fewer complaints here, but Avatar warrants a scathing editorial and tons of comments objecting to it.
    Last edited by WDWorldly; 10-21-2013, 02:37 PM.

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  • flynnibus
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    I'd love to see where Disney quotes Avatar as being LIMITED to 'this earth'. This is people putting in their own limitations based on an interpretation of the park's past.

    What do they say... past performance may not reflect future...?

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  • mondo
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    Just putting this out there. Avatar Promotes Seven Profound Environmental Themes
    What Avatar themes can relate to Animal Kingdom?

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  • Mewshuji
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    The thing is, with the exception of the whole Nav'i "hair" linking thing and the Unobtanium, the moon of Pandora is actually a VERY believable alien world. Something that really could exist within our universe. The creatures and plants follow similar patterns to our own on Earth but aren't specifically classifiable as "mammal" or "reptilian" or something of the sort just based on looking on them. The theme of conservation in the film also carries over to the park's secondary theme of conservation. And as we explore space more and more, we'll find we not only have to protect our planet's nature, but the nature of other planets as well.

    Making like an Endor Land or something in AK wouldn't fit because Star Wars, in comparison to Avatar, is fairly unrealistic. There are a significant number of species identifiable as having an exact analogue on Earth. Science does not show us that fuzzy bear people with actual hair/fur would be living on an alien world. Constructs similar to fur or feathers or what have you, sure, but not exactly the same. Not to mention the number of humanoids who look exactly like humans down to average height. Star Wars is a space fantasy with no claims of being realistic sci-fi. Avatar is more hypothetical science. The only creatures that really resemble Earth animals are the Banshees- and their basis in the pteranodons have been extinct for millions of years- and Nav'i, who only barely resemble humans. They're tall, blue, have very different eye-like and nose-like organs, etc.

    Ideally they'd be going with Beastly Kingdome, but with the number of ideas that were stolen by disgruntled Imagineers and used in Universal, that was never going to come to fruition anyway.Also don't forget the impact Avatar had on many people all around the world. So many people were so entranced with the world, loved it so much, that quite a few had to be hospitalized due to feelings of extreme depression or even suicidal thoughts after. I can't think of any fictional world that has EVER inspired such awe.

    I also have to wonder, if Avatar wasn't an already existing IP, would people be turning up their noses at the idea of a realistic Alien world being introduced as part of the Animal Kingdom? Or if the aliens from, say, "Alien Planet" were used instead, you all would be okay with it? If you look hard at it, is it SO bad that the fourth neglected category of creatures - the hypothetical creatures that exist beyond Earth- is being investigated at last?

    If that's the problem, and not the Avatar IP... I'll admit aliens wouldn't really be classed as animals- because animals, scientifically, have a common ancestor on EARTH. But they would be creatures, very similar to our animals on Earth, and to non-scientific people might as well be animals. And hypothetical creatures created by people with scientific backgrounds have just as much right to exist in a park about animals as mythical creatures. No, they don't have as much hold in reality as mythological animals do. However, consider that depending on who you ask, you are always going to get a different rendering of a "dragon", or "unicorn", or, indeed, "yeti". Some people on our planet think the word dragon (or what dragon translates into in their language) means a creature with a human's face, a turtle's shell, and a lion's body. Some people see the qilin, the "Chinese Unicorn" as resembling the common European invisionment of the unicorn, or a more fantastical giraffe (indeed, kirin means both qilin and giraffe in Japanese)... while others see it as a chimera with horse, lion, tiger, fish, and other animal parts.

    Fact is, mythological creatures would be interpreted just as unusually as any alien would. Maybe not to us, but to other people who visit Disney Parks? Certainly.

    Point is... I used to be a detractor of this expansion, but looking at the concept art and the model I just can't help but think... this ISN'T just a cheap cash-in. Disney is going to go all out on this. They will likely go above and beyond what Cameron envisioned and perhaps finally make the most original themed land in Disney World since, well, the opening of the Animal Kingdom itself! They will make you think that these creatures they present really could exist on a planet light years away... and could even be brought to a zoo on our planet, should our air be breathable for them. Plus, that this expansion will effect the park as a whole and encourage people to stay later well...

    It makes me feel super hyped! My only concern is for the animals- will they be fine with this? I mean, the safari is fine, and perhaps even healthier for some animals- quite a few on the safari now are actually nocturnal species, such as the lions. I'm more concerned, I guess, about the gibbons in Asia who are literally right by the river- would they not be upset by the sudden night-time spectacular? I guess as long as they keep pyrotechnics to a minimum its fine, but still, I just hope they don't lose sight of the animals' well being coming first. Like it or not, they do have a partial zoological institution on their hands, and the animals come before the guests in such a case. Always.

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  • goofy donald
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    Originally posted by Aladdin View Post
    But Avatar is STILL a fictional Space Alien movie and doesn't belong in an earthly Animal Kingdom. Fictional Space Alien Creatures don't belong in Animal Kingdom.
    thats all that needs to be said aladdin, this alone should have vetoed this project long ago. if it was going into DHS by all means even though i would question its long term viability, it just doesn't fit there plain and simple and effects the overall thematic scheme of DAK.

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  • Aladdin
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    Originally posted by StevenW View Post
    "It was based on real, extinct, and legendary creatures that make their home on earth." If this is the argument, then the alien creatures have a strange resemblance to dragons (earth legend) and horses (actual). The whole story was borrowed from Pocohontas. The alien location is a mere conceit.

    Conceit "a fanciful expression in writing or speech; an elaborate metaphor."
    But Avatar is STILL a fictional Space Alien movie and doesn't belong in an earthly Animal Kingdom. Fictional Space Alien Creatures don't belong in Animal Kingdom.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by BogLurch View Post
    It's a sticky point, but Avatar is *not* about the value of nature - it's about the value of indigenous cultures and uses the respect of the Navii for their flora/fauna as a shortcut through the cultural shorthand of "all native cultures respect the land and are good". The thematic and script similarities to Dances With Wolves are... deep and very prevalent. In both movies the native tribes exploited by the more advanced "others" drives things, and the "respect for nature" that the heroes experience on their journey are a symbol of the tribe, not the driving force behind the movie.
    Well said.

    It's ironic that a film in which the antagonists self-servingly spin the reality of what they're doing to the natives as justification of their goal (the mining of minerals) is the same film that Disney is spinning as being about "the intrinsic value of nature... a value greater than money" in the service of their goal (the mining of money).
    Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 10-19-2013, 05:52 PM.

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  • StevenW
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    Originally posted by BogLurch View Post
    It's a sticky point, but Avatar is *not* about the value of nature - it's about the value of indigenous cultures and uses the respect of the Navii for their flora/fauna as a shortcut through the cultural shorthand of "all native cultures respect the land and are good". The thematic and script similarities to Dances With Wolves are... deep and very prevalent. In both movies the native tribes exploited by the more advanced "others" drives things, and the "respect for nature" that the heroes experience on their journey are a symbol of the tribe, not the driving force behind the movie.
    Another argument that could be true.

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  • StevenW
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    Originally posted by Aladdin View Post
    Animal kingdom WAS NOT founded on ALIEN SPACE CREATURES and OTHER PLANETS. It was based on real, extinct, and legendary creatures that make their home on earth.

    Fictional creatures and beings of other planets belong in a Science Fiction land, or a movie world from where they came. They do not belong in Animal Kingdom.

    In fact, with Sci Fi and Space Aliens in Tomorrowland, and Sci Fi and Space Aliens in Disney Studios, the LAST THING an earthly believable Animal Kingdom needs is a Sci Fi and Space Alien land.
    "It was based on real, extinct, and legendary creatures that make their home on earth." If this is the argument, then the alien creatures have a strange resemblance to dragons (earth legend) and horses (actual). The whole story was borrowed from Pocohontas. The alien location is a mere conceit.

    Conceit "a fanciful expression in writing or speech; an elaborate metaphor."

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