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  • DisneyNerdTom
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    Re: 1st WDW trip for a DLR regular

    Originally posted by CassiefRN View Post
    For you, it's more expensive, but for half the country it's probably cheaper to fly to LA than FL. I can see added expense if staying onsite, as there are no disney owned "value" resorts, however many along harbor, while not being disney owned, are similarly priced to WDW value resorts while offering much more in terms in amenities, plus many are actually in walking distance to the park vs a 15 minute packed bus ride at WDW. My onsite resort stay at WDW had zero disney magic, so there would be nothing like that missing from an offsite stay at DLR. EMH are not as much if a perk as WDW, since they are just one hour in the morning. I have experienced both WDW and DLR, and I prefer my home park (as most people do, be it WDW or DLR). I really wanted to love WDW, but I didn't.

    I think you are being very unfair to judge the surrounding area do a park you have never been to. Like any large city, Anaheim has some extremely nice areas, some "dirty" areas, and most of it is average, American single family middle class homes. According to zillow, Anaheim Home Prices and Home Values - Zillow the median Anaheim home value is 450k...you don't pay that to live in a "filthy" area, even in Orange County, CA with high home values...
    I am not trying to be unfair.. As I said I really want to make it to DL at some point. It is on my "bucket list" as many would say. There are things that are exclusive to DL that I want to see really bad. ie Carsland, Matterhorn, Indiana Jones ride, World of Color etc...

    I am sure a trip to DL would be something I would throughly enjoy as it was Walt's original and that something it will always have.

    I love the get away from everything feel WDW provides me.. I usually go on a Disney trip when my real life is packed with stress and I need to get away from it all. I am not sold that DL would provide that... maybe it would.. but even if it does not... I am sure I would still love it.

    I didn't mean to offend by any means.

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  • Kidgenie
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    Originally posted by Mondo Mouse View Post
    ^Excellent post Kidgenie!
    I concur with almost all of what you said. I grew up going to Disneyland as well, then from 1989-1992 we went to WDW four summers in a row. I always thought Disneyland was the superior of the two Magic Kingdom style parks, and still adamantly feel that way. I've been to WDW three more times and am going again in two weeks. Each time I've gone back in the last few years I always feel the same way: there's so much I wish they'd improve upon, but I still enjoy going back to WDW overall. Hopefully sometime soon Disney will have allot a great sum of money to improve DHS, Epcot, and maybe bring in new, cooler buses. ...among other things.
    Thanks Mondo! I'm actually visiting Disneyland from the 14-17 of this month. Although I do leave early on the 17th, so really its just the 14-16. So much to do in so little time! But aside from that, I am usually in the WDW parks on weekends, often hangin out with weekly walt disney world meets that Kevin Yee started. Feel free to join the group and have a great time when your at WDW.

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  • Mondo Mouse
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    ^Excellent post Kidgenie!
    I concur with almost all of what you said. I grew up going to Disneyland as well, then from 1989-1992 we went to WDW four summers in a row. I always thought Disneyland was the superior of the two Magic Kingdom style parks, and still adamantly feel that way. I've been to WDW three more times and am going again in two weeks. Each time I've gone back in the last few years I always feel the same way: there's so much I wish they'd improve upon, but I still enjoy going back to WDW overall. Hopefully sometime soon Disney will have allot a great sum of money to improve DHS, Epcot, and maybe bring in new, cooler buses. ...among other things.

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  • Kidgenie
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    Great TR Cassie. Thank you for posting. I love both coasts. I grew up on DL, it was definitely my park. I moved to Orlando in '95 and sometime in the last five years I have caught myself referring to MK as my park. I originally hated the MK. It could do nothing right and DL could do no wrong. But even after my first visit, I knew I would come back. It was WDW has a hole that impressed me. I now love the MK, sincerely. But DL, even though its not "my park" anymore, is still my favorite. Disney World is spread out, to much so in my opinion, but the curse does have some big blessing too. DLR could never be the resort that is WDW. From full service spas (pural, Saratoga Springs AND Grand Floridian), to golf and tennis courses, from camping and fishing, to boating, hiking, and bicycle riding. Single bikes? double bikes? four passenger family bike rides? check, check and double check! Two fully immersive and highly fleshed out themed Water Parks. And Resort hotels that are Attractions by themselves: The Animals at Animal Kingdom Lodge, the pool at the Yacht and Beach Club, the BoardWalk at Disney's BoardWalk, and theme and landscaping of Port Orleans resort.... Any many others! WDW is still the premiere destination resort of the world. It is the most complete. WDW's Downtown Disney is large and expansive with shopping, dinning and entertainment options.

    The challenge is..... The Jack of all trades is a master at nothing. WDW is the jack of all trades, it has something for everyone, and a lot of it, but the DLR is the Master at theme parks,at least in the US. I take no issue in ranking the 6 US Disney themes parks in the following order, show for show, ride for ride, and total family offering.... #1 Disneyland. #2 Magic Kingdom #3 California Adventure #4 Epcot #5 Disney's Animal Kingdom and #6 DHS. Regarding #1 and #2, DL is warm, small and charming, while MK is big and majestic. Both have pros and cons, but yes, DL's pros push it over the MK. And honestly I could even be convince to flip flop DCA and MK in the ranking.

    But the MK can and does shine. I prefer DL's space mountain, but I would never trade WDW's for it. I like the two interconnecting tracks and the drops that DL's Space Mountain does not have. I love the MK still has the people mover, its a favorite of mine. The castle is what it is, and that is to say completely awesome. I also favor MK's Jungle Cruise over Disneyland's, and add Splash Mountain to that list. So while DL wins over all, there are moments within the MK that I have come to embrace for their differences. Move it, Shake it, Celebrate it, is loads of fun, and I never miss watching the crowds enjoy this not so mini, mini parade. It is one of the few things right with WDW entertainment right now.

    I guess the biggest flaw I could put on WDW, is this little fact....

    while the four parks of WDW clearly have more "attractions" then DL's two parks did you know that DL's two parks actually have more RIDES then WDW's four parks? And there I cannot come up with an excuse, as it should not be the case. WDW has more of everything except rides, and that to why the lines are long, for the ride type of attractions. How many long show lines did you stand in? WDW as plenty of shows, but even the big productions are Nemo are relatively easy to get in and good viewing for. I would encourage you to come back, just not soon, maybe in five years or so, and come in Early November. One of the reminding slow times at WDW.
    Last edited by Kidgenie; 03-09-2014, 04:19 PM.

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  • Mondo Mouse
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    Originally posted by Dapper Dan View Post
    I'm sorry you had an underwhelming experience, but I think you just came to the resort at a bad time. If you do ever decide to give the place another chance you should plan your trip for some time between 1986 and 1992.

    Hahaha, seriously! MGM Studios and Epcot especially were so much better then!

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  • CassiefRN
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    Originally posted by grnflash View Post

    In sum, I also prefer my home park and think most people do, whichever coast it’s on. And I also really wanted to love WDW (actually, I expected to love it), but to my surprise I didn't.
    This PERFECTLY sums up my visit and my sentiments.

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  • grnflash
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    Hi. I almost felt guilty that I wasn’t impressed, intrigued or otherwise infatuated with WDW after a weeklong visit (August 2012.) We did love the resort, an experience you will not get in Anaheim, as well as the water park and our family had an awesome vacation. And we had entirely good CM interactions everywhere. We just didn’t love the parks.

    I would agree that the expectations are unintentionally unrealistic. I for one expected not just bigger, but better. And I left feeling it was….just bigger. I wouldn’t agree that MK is super-saturated though. Quite the opposite, and it’s not just about fewer attractions and longer lines. I knew that going in and planned accordingly. But the space isn’t as “filled”. Too few of all the touches that simply fill the DL landscape and are what “immerse” me in the Disney magic. So much of the charm was missing. As well, with a couple exceptions, the rides themselves did not stack up to DL’s. And while we enjoyed the World Showcase, we were overall disappointed with Epcot. I truly wish I had seen it in its heyday.

    In sum, I also prefer my home park and think most people do, whichever coast it’s on. And I also really wanted to love WDW (actually, I expected to love it), but to my surprise I didn't.

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  • CassiefRN
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    Originally posted by DisneyNerdTom View Post
    I didn't mean to come across as a jickyjack.. If I did I apologize. I didnt mean DL itself is dirty.. I am sure the park itself is clean as a whistle.. Its Disney.. of course it is clean.. I mean the area where DL is is filthy... Anehiem (spelling is wrong I know) is not clean from anyone that I know that has been there.

    I am not even saying I wouldnt like DL.. Cause I think I would.. Its just that I dont know if I ever will get there because it is so much more expensive to get there... every time I have priced DL out it came out to being MUCH more expensive than a WDW trip would be. I dont think I would enjoy staying at a place like the Holiday Inn for a Disney trip either... that is where my quote of a basic amusement park feel came from...

    I am not happy you didnt like WDW.. I dont want people to hate it so I can like it more... that is not what it is supposed to be like...

    For you, it's more expensive, but for half the country it's probably cheaper to fly to LA than FL. I can see added expense if staying onsite, as there are no disney owned "value" resorts, however many along harbor, while not being disney owned, are similarly priced to WDW value resorts while offering much more in terms in amenities, plus many are actually in walking distance to the park vs a 15 minute packed bus ride at WDW. My onsite resort stay at WDW had zero disney magic, so there would be nothing like that missing from an offsite stay at DLR. EMH are not as much if a perk as WDW, since they are just one hour in the morning. I have experienced both WDW and DLR, and I prefer my home park (as most people do, be it WDW or DLR). I really wanted to love WDW, but I didn't.

    I think you are being very unfair to judge the surrounding area do a park you have never been to. Like any large city, Anaheim has some extremely nice areas, some "dirty" areas, and most of it is average, American single family middle class homes. According to zillow, Anaheim Home Prices and Home Values - Zillow the median Anaheim home value is 450k...you don't pay that to live in a "filthy" area, even in Orange County, CA with high home values...

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  • DisneyNerdTom
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    Originally posted by RosevilleDisfan View Post
    If you have never been to DL how do you know the area is "filthy" and the highway gives it the feel of a "regular amusement park"
    I was stating my opinion about WDW from the perspective of someone who has been there. Your negative opinions about DL however come from no first hand experience. Everyone can have an opinion. You like WDW, great.
    I've gone and decided it is not for me. You should be happy because it will be one less person to add to WDW crowds. You can keep WDW and I can keep DL and we can agree to disagree.
    I didn't mean to come across as a jickyjack.. If I did I apologize. I didnt mean DL itself is dirty.. I am sure the park itself is clean as a whistle.. Its Disney.. of course it is clean.. I mean the area where DL is is filthy... Anehiem (spelling is wrong I know) is not clean from anyone that I know that has been there.

    I am not even saying I wouldnt like DL.. Cause I think I would.. Its just that I dont know if I ever will get there because it is so much more expensive to get there... every time I have priced DL out it came out to being MUCH more expensive than a WDW trip would be. I dont think I would enjoy staying at a place like the Holiday Inn for a Disney trip either... that is where my quote of a basic amusement park feel came from...

    I am not happy you didnt like WDW.. I dont want people to hate it so I can like it more... that is not what it is supposed to be like...

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  • Barbaraann
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    Destination America is promoting Disney all this week. Tonite I watched the program promoting the WDW hotels. I have stayed at some of them, and only wish that I could afford to visit them all. I'd really love to visit the new Art of Animation if I get back there soon.

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  • Barbaraann
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    Originally posted by Dapper Dan View Post
    I'm sorry you had an underwhelming experience, but I think you just came to the resort at a bad time. If you do ever decide to give the place another chance you should plan your trip for some time between 1986 and 1992.
    Borrowing Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine.

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  • Dapper Dan
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    I'm sorry you had an underwhelming experience, but I think you just came to the resort at a bad time. If you do ever decide to give the place another chance you should plan your trip for some time between 1986 and 1992.

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  • RosevilleDisfan
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    Originally posted by DisneyNerdTom View Post
    I am not sure where all this HS does not have much to do... We have to spend almost 2 full days to really do everything. It is such a show heavy park.. and it should be.. its about movies and hollywood..

    I think anyone that says the Great Movie Ride and Beauty and the Beast is a joke is dillusional... sorry.. I could do both of those things multiple times in a day...

    I completely agree that the DL people have this expectation of WDW that is impossible to achieve.. I am not sure I will ever make it to DL... the area is filthy.. airfare is atrocious, and its off a a highway giving it a feel of just a regular amusement park..

    I feel bad for DL fand having these feeling of WDW but I think so many of them are so off base from what WDW is actually like.
    If you have never been to DL how do you know the area is "filthy" and the highway gives it the feel of a "regular amusement park"
    I was stating my opinion about WDW from the perspective of someone who has been there. Your negative opinions about DL however come from no first hand experience. Everyone can have an opinion. You like WDW, great.
    I've gone and decided it is not for me. You should be happy because it will be one less person to add to WDW crowds. You can keep WDW and I can keep DL and we can agree to disagree.

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  • Erik Olson
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    Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
    No, his desire to build EPCOT was behind the FL Project.
    Okay, helped catalyze it. He openly lamented his neighbors in Anaheim. This is fact.

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  • CassiefRN
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    Originally posted by DisneyNerdTom View Post
    No for me.. I dont see the FP+ as a deal breaker.. especially if you stay on property where you can get stuff planned ahead of time.. I will say people that know the layout and such do have an advantage over people that have never been..

    Also, my family has a situaiton where we can use a disability pass.. that I admit does help.. however, I think the FP+ system can and will work just fine.. Part of the thing with WDW is if you are there when it is insaine.. FP or no FP its going to be long lines.. there are no ways around it.
    I stayed on property and did a tremendous amount of planning despite it being my first trip. I went the first week of feb with crowd predictions of 2-4. Lines seemed extremely long to me, but that is based off of my disneyland experience. The lines I encountered were more on par with 7-9 crowd days at DL...30 minutes for PotC and HM? An hour for JC, SM, BTMRR, all during the week, midday? With lines like that, and the limit of 3 FP, makes for frustrating waits. I was at RD every day so I did get to do most rides, but it was very limiting, especially for someone used to utilizing FP to never wait more than 15-30 minutes for a ride, like, ever. With you having a DAS card, you don't have the same limitations. I do not envy whatever situation your family member has that requires the use of it, but at the same time, you don't know what it's like to fully experience FP+ with all it's wonderful "pluses" like only one parkm tiering, no repeat rides...

    Is it working, on a basic level, sure, it's functional. But there are flaws...errors on the app and website, the length it takes to scan the bands, causing backups of the lines pouring through the park (did you see the lines for FP returns over president's day?), CM frustration, guest frustration, and so on

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  • DisneyNerdTom
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    Originally posted by CassiefRN View Post
    I thought DHS was okay, but yes, it is very show heavy park and for my limited time, I didn't plan my days around them so I missed most of them. GMR was interesting, but being on the younger side, I haven't seen many of the highlighted movies, but I still enjoyed it. It's not a repeat attraction for me, but still enjoyable.

    Now ow as for Anaheim being filthy and off the highway, yes, it's off the highway, and sure there are areas that aren't super nice kind of close, but there is far more magic there then in the bubble of WDW. If you are looking for complete escape from the real world, wdw would probably be a better option for you. I still think DLR, while not blocking you off from the whole world, gives a better experience. And personally, since I live about 4 miles away, I love the fact that it's in the middle of a city.

    I kind of wish I had gone to WDW last May when I was considering it but I opted for this Feb instead. I think the WDW that you all think is so much better has been lost under the FP+ transition. Maybe I would have experienced more magic back in May...

    No for me.. I dont see the FP+ as a deal breaker.. especially if you stay on property where you can get stuff planned ahead of time.. I will say people that know the layout and such do have an advantage over people that have never been..

    Also, my family has a situaiton where we can use a disability pass.. that I admit does help.. however, I think the FP+ system can and will work just fine.. Part of the thing with WDW is if you are there when it is insaine.. FP or no FP its going to be long lines.. there are no ways around it.

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  • calsig31
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    Originally posted by Erik Olson View Post
    His inability to isolate the park from the opportunistic businesses that popped up all around it catalyzed The Florida Project.
    No, his desire to build EPCOT was behind the FL Project.

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  • Erik Olson
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    Newport Beach, Fullerton. By the way, Disney himself came to really regret Anaheim. His inability to isolate the park from the opportunistic businesses that popped up all around it catalyzed The Florida Project. So, I'm not alone in that opinion.

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  • CassiefRN
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    Originally posted by Erik Olson View Post
    I hear you guys and wish I could change things to entice you to love WDW as much as we do.

    As SoCal natives, who grew up in Disneyland, we came to WDW with the highest expectations. Where Disneyland is surrounded by the cold, dirty reality of Anaheim, WDW is a totally immersive experience more akin to traveling to an exotic destination.

    Magic Kingdom is super-saturated with things to do and AK and DHS need to work toward closing the enormous gap. That said, I think people come to WDW expecting...I don't know what? Something unrealistic.

    We just bought into DVC, which gives us the ability to enjoy all six parks for less than $500 per year. WDW is a place to truly escape from the world around you and forget some of your troubles - if only for a couple of days. I dare say that you don't get that experience in the California parks, where a monorail ride quickly reminds you of the despair that resides just outside the berm.
    where is SoCal did you live that makes Anaheim seem dirty, cold, and despairing? Sounds like something a South County person would say about an average city.

    Personally, I was not a fan of the WDW bubble, and renting a car was the best thing I did all week. I enjoyed my side trip to Universal, I enjoyed driving there, seeing more than just disney foliage from an overcrowded bus...

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  • CassiefRN
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    Originally posted by DisneyNerdTom View Post
    I am not sure where all this HS does not have much to do... We have to spend almost 2 full days to really do everything. It is such a show heavy park.. and it should be.. its about movies and hollywood..

    I think anyone that says the Great Movie Ride and Beauty and the Beast is a joke is dillusional... sorry.. I could do both of those things multiple times in a day...

    I completely agree that the DL people have this expectation of WDW that is impossible to achieve.. I am not sure I will ever make it to DL... the area is filthy.. airfare is atrocious, and its off a a highway giving it a feel of just a regular amusement park..

    I feel bad for DL fand having these feeling of WDW but I think so many of them are so off base from what WDW is actually like.
    I thought DHS was okay, but yes, it is very show heavy park and for my limited time, I didn't plan my days around them so I missed most of them. GMR was interesting, but being on the younger side, I haven't seen many of the highlighted movies, but I still enjoyed it. It's not a repeat attraction for me, but still enjoyable.

    Now ow as for Anaheim being filthy and off the highway, yes, it's off the highway, and sure there are areas that aren't super nice kind of close, but there is far more magic there then in the bubble of WDW. If you are looking for complete escape from the real world, wdw would probably be a better option for you. I still think DLR, while not blocking you off from the whole world, gives a better experience. And personally, since I live about 4 miles away, I love the fact that it's in the middle of a city.

    I kind of wish I had gone to WDW last May when I was considering it but I opted for this Feb instead. I think the WDW that you all think is so much better has been lost under the FP+ transition. Maybe I would have experienced more magic back in May...

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