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  • #21
    Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

    jcruise86 asked a reasonable question, he wasn't drumming up a problem nor exacerbating any situation. I am blown away to see so many apologists stepping up to put jcruise86 on the defensive. Yes, we go to a park to have a good time. No, no one goes there INTENDING to see odd things but YES, we notice them. If you really like DLR and WDW then maybe you'd be on the side of those hoping for the best, not those sweeping it under the rug and putting guys like jcruise86 on the defensive for just asking.

    Something I didn't get a pic of last weekend ( but sure will NOW ) was a fiberglass post in DL where it had worn away so much there was a hole on the edge of it. An exposed fiberglass hole about 4" high where people put their hands. Strands of sharp fiberglass. I'm so sorry I didn't get a pic of it now but like some of you said, we don't go to look at broken things. Of course, we also don't go to run our hand along a post at the level our hand would reach at and pull back a splinter of fiberglass stuck in it either.

    Also, no, the photo wasn't shopped. Here's another one as I was driving in. I took these because I was very surprised to see something just hanging like that. It seemed so out of character for the resort.

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    • #22
      Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

      How bout some video proof. Found this video comparision of Disneyland's Toon Town after 20 yrs of operation. some degradation of this land addressed in the video.

      A romp through forgotten Mickey's Toontown - YouTube

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      • #23
        Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

        I once started a thread about how the Clock at Magic Kingdom's entrance had stopped at a certain time. For days, the clock was stopped, and not moving. It was the first thing I noticed on the very first day of my vacation, back in 2009. I was taking the Ferry Across the Seven Seas Lagoon, and it was one of the first things that I saw. Quite frankly it bugged me.

        Boy was I read the riot act for feeling the way I did. Never did I once say that it ruined my vacation. However, it was disappointing to me that the folks at Disney didn't fix that clock sooner. Or at least, cover the clock in some way, as to not point out the lack of maintenance.

        Sure Disney is held to a high standard. They set the standard, and they are definitely slipping. Should we care? You decide that for yourself, of course.
        BarbaraAnn

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        • #24
          Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

          Originally posted by jcruise86 View Post
          Today Kevin Yee questioned the diligence of Walt Disney World in maintaining its parks.

          I want to see very recent photos of Main Street lights to see how many (if any) are out,
          photos of chipped paint, or of recently painted things,
          and photos of monorails held literally held together by tape, or of clean, well-maintained monorails.

          I'd like photographic PROOF, Micechatters, please. (Or apologies to RISC-Rasulo, Iger, Crofton & Staggs.)
          Lets see YOUR pics, your videos, your proof. When was the last time you were there is see such stuff as bad as you always like to point out...............

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          • #25
            Originally posted by redrhino54 View Post
            Let[']s see YOUR pics, your videos, your proof. When was the last time you were there is see [sic] such stuff as bad as you always like to point out...............
            "Always"?

            I almost never take photos in theme parks because my parents, who've travelled to all seven continents (I've only been to three) have tons of photos and I've always been bored by them. They seem to distract from the moment. And if I did use the camera on my phone more at Disney parks, I wouldn't want to focus on the negative while I'm there. I'd probably obsess about photographing the cats at Disneyland.

            I haven't been to WDW in about 12 years, (and I bolded that, RedRhino54, in case this post has too many words) mostly because
            Disney
            hasn't
            inspired me
            to go there
            in a long time.
            Before that time, from 1972 through 2002 I went about 18 times, including once during each summer from 1972 through 1982. I'll finally get back in 2015, barring an emergency, as my wife's birthday present to me. I wish Disney inspired me to go to WDW more often. A better-than-ever Carousel of Progress and a different Soarin' film than Disneyland's would be a nice place to start, Mr. Staggs & Mr. Iger.

            Redrhino54, you could make a strong argument that I have no business posting on the WDW section since I haven't been there in the last 12 years, but if you read (re-read?) my first post on this thread, I just asked for proof. You didn't seem like you even read the sentences of mine that you quoted before your brief post. I had trouble believing all of Kevin Yee's claims this week, especially about parts of the monorail repaired with tape, and because I haven't been there in so long, I wanted to see via photos that show if WDW is in bad or good shape. I feel like a mom who put her kid adoption 12 years ago and now spies on her.

            I don't read many complaints about Tokyo Disneyland or the Disney Cruise Line, and having experienced both including a 6-night Disney cruise in the summer of 2013, I think the reason I've been reading more criticisms (including ones from Roy Disney, Jr. around the end of 2003) about some specific parts of the Disney Company than others is usually because they've been earned. Apart from Tomorrowland, people have seemed pretty upbeat about the Disneyland Resort since its 50th anniversary in 2005, but Micechat/Al Lutz was not so positive about Disneyland in the years immediately before 2005, from what I understand. (Disneyland Paris, might have an even higher percentage of disgruntled former fans than WDW--see their recent petition to Iger. I hope that Ratatouille's new Paris area helps improve the worst Disney park ever, Disney's Paris Studios park.)

            If you've been following Walt Disney World since 1971, it does seem like it's been coasting over the last 12 or so years, especially if you count the new E-ticket attractions. I think that the Magic Kingdom's impressive, world record, 17-million-a-year attendance is challenging because it reduces Disney's incentive to invest as much as they would if they could still fit a lot more into the MK each year. I want WDW to reflect Walt Disney's ideal, that "Disneyland will never be finished." His expanding and improving of Disneyland from its 1955 opening through his death in 1966 is pretty extraordinary, and apart from DCA's Carsland, there doesn't seem to be enough extraordinary Walt-like growth lately at Disney's American parks. We might not even be planning to go to Florida if my daughter didn't have a strong desire to see the growing Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Universal Orlando.

            Anyway, I spend too much time in the WDW discussions of Micechat because going to WDW was what I looked forward to most when I was a kid, and I'm hoping it will be as extraordinary for my daughter. I'm concerned that from what I've read it might not be and problems can't be solved till they are recognized. We've been to Disneyland about 80 times and some of those days dominate a "ten best days of my life" list. I want our trip to Walt Disney World to be just as wonderful.

            George Will wrote that the golden age of baseball is whatever was taking place when you were 13 years old. I expect that you defend the recent WDW with your rushed, ineloquent, but enthusiastic causticity because you didn't experience it in the 1970s through the early 80s, you haven't been to Tokyo Disneyland or on a Disney cruise, and you haven't spent that much time at Disneyland before the early 1990s or after 2004, and you don't appreciate that Disney outdoor entertainment can be done better that WDW has been since Frank Wells' death and Michael Eisner's decline/and the rise of his followers Paul Pressler, Jay Rasulo, and Thomas Staggs.

            After the recent (March of 2014) earthquake in Southern California, I was one of the first Micechatters on an earthquake thread on Micechat's Disneyland section. As expected, I found a lot of nice folks writing with great interest. When I went to two news sites, I saw some comments by anonymous (I'm Tom Sinsky, btw, nice to meet you.) writers who wrote about how they wanted Californians to die. Sorry to anyone who thinks I've moved Micechat toward that direction at times.

            That written, I'm thrilled to introduce RedRhino54's "Ah ha, you haven't been to Disney World in 12 years!" post
            . :yea:

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            • #26
              Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

              Originally posted by jcruise86 View Post
              Have you been to Tokyo Disneyland or been on a Disney cruise?

              I liked your post, but I think you're missing one of the intentions of Walt Disney. He changed light bulbs on schedule BEFORE they burned out. I believe that if he were trying to be an environmentalist today, he'd have three CMS moving around the Magic Kingdom after sunset to replace light bulbs each night, and have another search for those spots of unacceptable darkness right after the park closed at night.

              Steve Jobs might have disagreed with you on perfectionism, but surprisingly I'm with you. But mistakes should be viewed as opportunities to respond to them better than anyone else would.

              An interview with Paul McCartney when he was in his astonishing Beatles period made me think that he was not a perfectionist, but was "merely" outstanding and prolific. Also contrast the 40-50-year careers of Robert Redford and his contemporary Warren Beatty. Redford was in twice as many movies, and more bad ones, but he was also in even more excellent films than the perfectionist (and impressive) Beatty, because Redford worked a lot and wasn't constipated by perfectionism.

              I find it sad that you seem to start so many more negative threads than positive ones.

              As for the OP, "in the old days" Disney was a compny run with the idea of a place for families to have fun together. Today it is a money machine. Shareholders don't care how much fun families are having. They only care how much profit they are adding to their portfolios. With that in mind the "company" is run to produce those results.

              Are there things that need to be tweaked and maintained better? Sure, but that is everywhere in the world. Some are better at it than others, but all have to deal with it. Due to the environment as well as the numbers WDW may be hit a bit harder than the other parks and so you can spot more areas that need work. Still I think they do a great job of maintaining the parks. I know when I was there 6 months ago I didn't notice any glaring issues. I still had the great time that I always seem to do when I try to get there every 18 months or so.

              I understand this "crusade" some people seem to NEED to be on in making the park maintain themselves as Walt wanted, however this is a much different world than the one Walt lived in. Would it be different if Walt was still alive? Who knows but as he isn't nor will he be I don't think it's a standard anyone should hold WDW to.

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              • #27
                Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
                As for the OP, "in the old days" Disney was a compny run with the idea of a place for families to have fun together. Today it is a money machine. Shareholders don't care how much fun families are having. They only care how much profit they are adding to their portfolios. With that in mind the "company" is run to produce those results.
                Quality products and making money are not mutually exclusive. The current culture at Walt Disney World is one the embraces money by any means, regardless of the impact to the product or its long term viability. Whittling away at what you unique is no way to run any business, and even worse when others have finally started to replicate that uniqueness.

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                • #28
                  Please post photos of everything THAT'S BEAUTIFUL & FULLY FUNCTIONING at WDW or...

                  Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
                  I find it sad that you seem to start so many more negative threads than positive ones.

                  As for the OP, "in the old days" Disney was a compny run with the idea of a place for families to have fun together. Today it is a money machine. Shareholders don't care how much fun families are having. They only care how much profit they are adding to their portfolios. With that in mind the "company" is run to produce those results.

                  Are there things that need to be tweaked and maintained better? Sure, but that is everywhere in the world . . . Would it be different if Walt was still alive? Who knows but as he isn't nor will he be I don't think it's a standard anyone should hold WDW to.
                  Maddogjoe, please prove that I've started more negative than positive ones.

                  List them
                  all with links and organize them into positive, neutral and negative.

                  Carefully reread my post #1 on this thread
                  and put this thread in the neutral category.

                  If you had the character to back up your accusation without resorting to an incomplete listing of threads I've started, you'd find that you're incorrect and would owe me an apology. Then I would accept that and we'd go and ride Small World together.
                  :ap::captain:

                  Maybe you're attracted to my "negative" threads (where I argue for positive improvements, btw) because you like to see yourself as fighting the positive fight.

                  In fairness to you, you're not alone. One Micechatter was introduced to me at a Knott's Scary Farm's Micechat meet and when he was told I was Jcruise86, he said, "You seem nicer in person" then turned and walked away. And when I met the leader of another Disney website at a Disneyana convention, and politely told her why I thought the Big Thunder BBQ was overpriced when it first opened (the prices were changed), she was not happy and said, "You're Jcruise86!"

                  As far as your post above, you seem to be defending mediocrity because you believe it's an inevitable consequence of shareholder pressure. You wrote, "Shareholders don't care how much fun families are having." I'm a shareholder and I care because IF families weren't having fun, then Disney would be in trouble--especially in the long run. And I'd care because something that used to mean as much to some kids as their birthdays would be dead.

                  Now enough about me, let's (please) see some very recent photographic evidence that Walt Disney World is still one of the most beautiful man-made places on Earth, or is a reflection of capitalist America's demise. One light bulb that's out won't do this.
                  Last edited by jcruise86; 04-27-2014, 09:15 AM.

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                  • #29
                    Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                    How would you know "mediocrity" runs in WDW? YOU HAVENT BEEN THERE IN 12 FRICKIN YEARS !? You only read about whats there, and not experienced it yourself.....lol....

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                    • #30
                      Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                      Originally posted by redrhino54 View Post
                      How would you know "mediocrity" runs in WDW? YOU HAVENT BEEN THERE IN 12 FRICKIN YEARS !? You only read about whats there, and not experienced it yourself.....lol....
                      Which is why I started this thread. I want to see proof about WDW's decline or continued magnificence. What I want more than anything is to be convinced that it's going to be as great as ever when I do go. Also, I think a lot of Micechatters love experiencing Disney parks vicariously--and giving opinions we're unqualified to give is one of the joys of a free society in the age of the internet.


                      P.S. Your post #29 should have been #26 to follow my #25. Oh well. :vogue: Peace out.

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                      • #31
                        Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                        Originally posted by jcruise86 View Post
                        Maddogjoe, please prove that I've started more negative than positive ones.

                        List them
                        all with links and organize them into positive, neutral and negative.

                        Carefully reread my post #1 on this thread
                        and put this thread in the neutral category.

                        If you had the character to back up your accusation without resorting to an incomplete listing of threads I've started, you'd find that you're incorrect and would owe me an apology. Then I would accept that and we'd go and ride Small World together.
                        :ap::captain:

                        Maybe you're attracted to my "negative" threads (where I argue for positive improvements, btw) because you like to see yourself as fighting the positive fight.

                        In fairness to you, you're not alone. One Micechatter was introduced to me at a Knott's Scary Farm's Micechat meet and when he was told I was Jcruise86, he said, "You seem nicer in person" then turned and walked away. And when I met the leader of another Disney website at a Disneyana convention, and politely told her why I thought the Big Thunder BBQ was overpriced when it first opened (the prices were changed), she was not happy and said, "You're Jcruise86!"

                        As far as your post above, you seem to be defending mediocrity because you believe it's an inevitable consequence of shareholder pressure. You wrote, "Shareholders don't care how much fun families are having." I'm a shareholder and I care because IF families weren't having fun, then Disney would be in trouble--especially in the long run. And I'd care because something that used to mean as much to some kids as their birthdays would be dead.

                        Now enough about me, let's (please) see some very recent photographic evidence that Walt Disney World is still one of the most beautiful man-made places on Earth, or is a reflection of capitalist America's demise. One light bulb that's out won't do this.
                        I'm sorry, I have a job and a family to take care of. I done have the time to make a list with links, but I will show you one.

                        POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                        Thats the title of this thread. I reads to me that you are looking for/at as many bad/negative things as you can here. Others are "whats the worst park?" come on, really? I have the "character" to back it up, I just don't have the time.

                        I'm not defending
                        "mediocrity", I'm more of a realist. You may care about whether families are having fun or not, but the majority..... vast majority of share holders couldn't care less. As long as people keep coming to the parks and buying Disney products they don't care if people have fun. It is the same the world over everyone works toward the bottom line. I'm sure you do it your self in your everyday life. You don't buy stuff on sale right? You don't use the big warehouse stores to save money? You don't do with out some things so that you can DO others like go to MiceChat meets?

                        It is the way of the world. That is what made Walt so special. He was more interested in the family side of things not the money. His brother got stuck with making the numbers work. Once Walt passed so did that mentality. Sure WDW could use a little paint here and there, a light bulb or two, but it is STILL the happiest place on earth. It still brings in millions of people a year.... who btw seem to be having a blast when I see them there.

                        WDW does what it can.... as their budgets allow.... to maintain the parks. Personally I'm ok with the job they are doing. They do far better than most companies out there. In my job I travel all over New England and see many company buildings, some very big names. Some do a good job of maintaining their property, others not so much. People like you who seem to think that pointing out every little flaw they can spot....or ask others to post for them.... will get the parks back to a fresh construction era are a bit out of touch. Budgets rule the day. You want to see clean perfect settings, be there when they open the Seven Dwarves Mine car. It will be pristine. Oh thats right, you don't go to WDW.

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                        • #32
                          Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                          Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
                          I'm sorry, I have a job and a family to take care of. I done have the time to make a list with links, but I will show you one.

                          POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                          Thats the title of this thread. I reads to me that you are looking for/at as many bad/negative things as you can here. Others are "whats the worst park?" come on, really? I have the "character" to back it up, I just don't have the time.

                          I'm not defending
                          "mediocrity", I'm more of a realist. You may care about whether families are having fun or not, but the majority..... vast majority of share holders couldn't care less. As long as people keep coming to the parks and buying Disney products they don't care if people have fun. It is the same the world over everyone works toward the bottom line. I'm sure you do it your self in your everyday life. You don't buy stuff on sale right? You don't use the big warehouse stores to save money? You don't do with out some things so that you can DO others like go to MiceChat meets?

                          It is the way of the world. That is what made Walt so special. He was more interested in the family side of things not the money. His brother got stuck with making the numbers work. Once Walt passed so did that mentality. Sure WDW could use a little paint here and there, a light bulb or two, but it is STILL the happiest place on earth. It still brings in millions of people a year.... who btw seem to be having a blast when I see them there.

                          WDW does what it can.... as their budgets allow.... to maintain the parks. Personally I'm ok with the job they are doing. They do far better than most companies out there. In my job I travel all over New England and see many company buildings, some very big names. Some do a good job of maintaining their property, others not so much. People like you who seem to think that pointing out every little flaw they can spot....or ask others to post for them.... will get the parks back to a fresh construction era are a bit out of touch. Budgets rule the day. You want to see clean perfect settings, be there when they open the Seven Dwarves Mine car. It will be pristine. Oh thats right, you don't go to WDW.
                          That might make some sense with The Walt Disney Company and Walt Disney World weren't significantly larger now than in the past with even bigger budgets.

                          Oh, and Walt was quite dead in 1971. He was still dead in the 1980s. Still dead in the 1990s. And just as dead in the early 2000s. He was just as dead in the mid-2000s when the attitude you find so acceptable killed two people at Disneyland and suddenly the money was found to do so much more than what people such as yourself said could be done. There is no lack of money, just no desire to spend it because plenty of people will vociferously defend ever cut at Walt Disney World as somehow necessary for the Resort's survival as though it was some mom and pop operation cutting its teeth against the big boys.

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                          • #33
                            Please post photos of everything THAT'S BEAUTIFUL & FULLY FUNCTIONING AT WDW or...

                            Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
                            That might make some sense with The Walt Disney Company and Walt Disney World weren't significantly larger now than in the past with even bigger budgets.

                            Oh, and Walt was quite dead in 1971. He was still dead in the 1980s. Still dead in the 1990s. And just as dead in the early 2000s. He was just as dead in the mid-2000s when the attitude you find so acceptable killed two people at Disneyland and suddenly the money was found to do so much more than what people such as yourself said could be done. There is no lack of money, just no desire to spend it because plenty of people will vociferously defend every cut at Walt Disney World as somehow necessary for the Resort's survival as though it was some mom and pop operation cutting its teeth against the big boys.
                            Wish I'd written that.

                            If only Steve Jobs had been healthy at the end of his life while he was Disney's biggest shareholder,
                            and if he hadn't been distracted by running Apple,
                            and if he had become obsessed with Disney's parks.
                            Or if he had had his Lasseter cloned, then physically raised & educated at super-speed and then been around to back him up.

                            I guess Jobs' widow, that Marvel guy, and George Lucas are inactive stockholders, trusting Bob Iger on everything because he is a dramatic improvement over the post-Wells Eisner.

                            U Orlando clearly is and has been going big with new lands and attractions, so if they are rewarded with increased attendance while WDW's remains flat in 2014 & 2015, then Disney will have to get back on the fast track they stepped off of over 12 years ago, unless they are really, really stupid. I'm talkin' Eisner after Wells' death stupid, or John Sculley & and his successors after Apple ousted Jobs stupid. No, no one could ever be THAT stupid and hesitant so invest in one of the things the company has done best.
                            (Great attractions for Disney and innovative, "insanely great," beautifully designed products for Apple.) Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock. [Note to self: Insert shot of Wallace Shawn from The Princess Bride: "We're waiting!", but superimpose a WDW sweatshirt & Mickey Mouse ears on him. Yeah, I'll get to that later.]

                            Shanghai Disneyland will hopefully be so awesome that I'll owe Iger an apology for questioning his devotion to new them park lands and attractions.

                            I get that the the Magic Kingdom's world record 17,000,000 a year might be something that shouldn't be increased for now, but the Studios and EPCOT could use DCA-level (Carsland & Buena Vista Street) investments now for scenic lands and E-ticket attractions.

                            At least give us a new Soarin' Over America next year. "Avatar in 4 years" is inadequate. Break ground on a Studios Stars Wars land that tops all of the Wizard Worlds of HP, ASAP.

                            Maddogjoe, you're right, I should have had the
                            title of this thread stress the negative AND the positive, and not have depended on the intriguing "or" to keep Micechatters reading. Although there is a wealth of photos of flaws on Micechat (Kevin Yee's archived collection,5thrider's sign at D.land, that thread on Maelstrom a while back) the fact that I'm not seeing some recent shots of burned out lights by numerous disappointed Micechatters makes me think that the upkeep might not be as bad as Kevin described, but didn't photograph last week week.

                            Still, one can't take interesting photographs of things NOT being built for over 12 years. It's not like taking photos of the cats at Disneyland:
                            http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...real-cats.html
                            (=^ ^= Speaking of my negative threads.)

                            BTW, are there live, rodent-eating cats at WDW, besides the big ones in the Animal Kingdom?

                            Speaking of rodents, Paris' new Ratatouille area, restaurant and attraction might (hopefully!) be another Jcruise shutter upper, unless I can be NEGATIVE!
                            BWAH, HA, HA, HAAAAAAA!

                            GwenRowan posted this on a Disneyland thread that was deliberately created for positive posts:
                            Originally posted by GwenRowan View Post
                            It would be hard to list...
                            Sometimes I just walk around...
                            transported and transformed

                            I want to suggest though, I think complaining is getting a bad rap
                            if the issues are actual...
                            nothing is improved when people don't want to look bad by complaining, so they let something that is not beneficial, or is actually a problem go on.... there is kind of a "the ferry isn't sinking" aspect to that. It seems weird when something is a problem but people are more concerned about being negative and they try to be positive...
                            Last edited by jcruise86; 04-27-2014, 10:10 AM.

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                            • #34
                              POST PHOTOS of WDW looking practically perfect in every way OR. . .

                              Originally posted by maddogjoe View Post
                              ...you are looking for/at as many bad/negative things as you can here. Others are "whats the worst park?"...
                              And along with the worst one I started this thread on the best park:
                              http://micechat.com/forums/walt-disn...ark-earth.html
                              Last edited by jcruise86; 05-01-2014, 04:55 AM.

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                              • #35
                                Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                                I like a MiceChatter who speaks out. This place would be way too boring if all our threads were only about the "Good". We all know that nothing in this life is perfect.

                                I thank the many MiceChatters, over the years, who have made me think, and taught me things that I didn't know, and made me aware of a different angle of a topic.

                                Vanilla is yummy, but too much sours my stomach.
                                BarbaraAnn

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                                • #36
                                  POST PHOTOS of WDW looking practically perfect in every way OR. . .

                                  Originally posted by Barbaraann View Post
                                  I like a MiceChatter who speaks out. This place would be way too boring if all our threads were only about the "Good". We all know that nothing in this life is perfect.

                                  I thank the many MiceChatters, over the years, who have made me think, and taught me things that I didn't know, and made me aware of a different angle of a topic.

                                  Vanilla is yummy, but too much sours my stomach.
                                  I just had a little (very little) vanilla Haagen Dazs, but caramel was swirled in.

                                  Here's Robert Niles' article back in July of 2012 where he ranked all of Disney's theme parks, which I'm linking because it was interesting to me to read his take on the parks:
                                  Ranking the Disney theme parks: What is the world's best Disney park?
                                  Some fans objected to where he ranked EPCOT in the comments after the article.

                                  :ot: Speaking of Robert Niles' ranking, I hope to visit Tokyo Disney Sea and Hong Kong Disneyland--if I could do so when the Tokyo Disney resort isn't too crowded. I went LONG ago and loved it.

                                  I don't think crowds should be ignored when ranking parks because waiting two hours for (Tokyo's) Toy Story Midway Mania limits what else you can do and how much I can drink before I get in line. :shy:

                                  I want to go to Hong Kong Disneyland partly because I'd love to see the beautiful city of Hong Kong even more than I want to see that park. (Though seeing big hills so close behind Anaheim's cloned castle would be trippy for me.)

                                  I want to see what the crowds and the smog are like at Shanghai Disneyland--though I'd be fine with just a few days of that air. If I had the money and if such a cruise existed, I'd LOVE to visit all of the Asian Disney resorts via a Disney cruise that started and one city and ended in another so I could extend my stay at both the starting and ending locations. Of course, I'd want Disney to arrange special things like a ride on Tokyo's Pooh before the park opens. It could happen!
                                  Last edited by jcruise86; 05-01-2014, 04:54 AM. Reason: The relentless pursuit of perfection. (Kidding.)

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                                  • #37
                                    Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                                    yeah I also not go there never..

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                                    Last edited by janicesheets; 04-30-2014, 10:18 PM.

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                                    • #38
                                      Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                                      Not of bulbs but still... the pictures are a bit old but two of them are from MK.
                                      http://micechat.com/forums/walt-disn...ney-world.html

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                                      • #39
                                        Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                                        Here is a Walt-like quote (from p. 567) from Steve Jobs to his biographer Walter Isaacson (p. 567) near the end of his life that I think relates to discussions of quality:

                                        "My passion has been to build an enduring company where people were motivated to make great products. Everything else was secondary. Sure, it was great to make a profit, because that was what allowed you to to make great products. But the products, not the profits, were the motivation. . . It's a subtle difference, but it ends up meaning everything: the people you hire, who gets promoted, what you discuss in meetings.

                                        Some people say, 'Give the customers what they want.' But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, 'If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, "A faster horse!"' People don't know what they want till you show it to them. That's why I never rely on market research. Our task is to read things that are not yet on the page."

                                        Note that (p. 562): "In May 2010 Apple surpassed Microsoft as the world's most valuable technology company, and by September 2011 it was worth 70% more than Microsoft. . . "

                                        There was a funny, fitting headline in The Onion after Steve Jobs died: "The last American
                                        who what the f--- he was doing just died".

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                                        • #40
                                          Re: POST PHOTOS of burned-out lights, chipped paint, monorails taped together, or...

                                          Not exactly "broken" but an example of neglect or inattentiveness at the worst.

                                          There's a few maps of Downtown Disney in Anaheim stationed throughout the area. Two of the three maps are updated to show Tangaroa Terrace and Trader Sam's. Oddly this one by where the Mickey & Friends tram drops off hasn't been updated. This has been open since about 2011 but this one map can't be updated?

                                          Small potatoes? Sure, but it's the kind of quality issue that bears mentioning as an example.

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