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  • [Question] Marvel.................

    Will Disney get complete control of Marvel, in the future? If so, when, and how does that work?

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    No.

    Marvel Agreement between MCA Inc. and Marvel Entertainment Group

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      No. Universal has total control of use of characters in any theme park in Japan or east of the Mississippi River in the US.

      The only way Disney gets them is if they cough up a few million dollars and offer to buy them outright. It would have to be a lot of money because Universal knows what they have and they know Disney wants it. That doubles the price right there.

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        I thought the agreement was for 50 years. Is that true?
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          Originally posted by spacejockey View Post
          I thought the agreement was for 50 years. Is that true?
          No.

          Marvel Agreement between MCA Inc. and Marvel Entertainment Group

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            Originally posted by spacejockey View Post
            I thought the agreement was for 50 years. Is that true?
            Right, no, like lazyboy970 said. The link he keeps posting is boring legal mumbo jumbo, but if you can make sense of it, it is quite interesting.

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              So WDW can never have Marvel?
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              • #8
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                Originally posted by spacejockey View Post
                So WDW can never have Marvel?
                Not unless Disney pays, a lot. The contract isn't very long and is rather straightforward.

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                  Why was the deal for only east of the Mississippi? Universal's original park is in California, you'd think they would want to be able to put Marvel there as well.

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                    Originally posted by Disney Adventure View Post
                    Why was the deal for only east of the Mississippi? Universal's original park is in California, you'd think they would want to be able to put Marvel there as well.
                    This is all explained in the contract... Universal had global rights for a short term but did not do what was necessary to secure those rights.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by Disney Adventure View Post
                      Why was the deal for only east of the Mississippi? Universal's original park is in California, you'd think they would want to be able to put Marvel there as well.
                      Quite frankly, because Universal owned the theme park IP long before Disney had the inclination to scoop up the rights. They made sure to include them in the IoA expansion, and therfore captured the rights to theme park exclusivity. Disney will really have to offer a lot of dough for characters like X-Men, Iron Man, Thor, or Hulk in the parks. For now, they will try to make obscure titles like Big Hero 6 relevent and cash in, as Universal has no rights to any character not currently used at IoA.

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                        I'm still confused. So Disney can use Marvel characters West of the Mississippi in parks? But, not the ones in Universal Orlando?
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                          Originally posted by spacejockey View Post
                          I'm still confused. So Disney can use Marvel characters West of the Mississippi in parks? But, not the ones in Universal Orlando?
                          The Marvel characters that are in Universal's Island's of Adventure park (which is in Orlando), cannot be used in Walt Disney World, but CAN be use in the Disneyland Resort.

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                            Originally posted by Mondo Mouse View Post
                            The Marvel characters that are in Universal's Island's of Adventure park (which is in Orlando), cannot be used in Walt Disney World, but CAN be use in the Disneyland Resort.
                            Universal also has exclusive rights to the characters in the same "family" as the ones the are currently using. So even though they don't have an Iron Man attraction, Disney can't use that character because he is part of the Avengers. Uni was smart in their choice of attractions since the covered The Avengers, Spiderman, X-Men and Fantastic Four which ties up pretty much every major Marvel character.

                            For those that aren't familiar with this deal, it was made back in 1994 when Marvel was not in particularly good financial shape, and this will still several years before the new batch of Marvel films got kicked off with Spiderman. Due to this the contract is very favorable for Uni. The licensing fee can only be increased with the rate of inflation, but the value of Marvel has likely increased significantly beyond that rate leaving Uni with a licensing deal that is a bargain.

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                              To me the whole Marvel situation is interesting, and confusing. Marvel Entertainment is now owned by the Walt Disney Company, but Disney (as this thread discusses) only has access to Marvel characters in specific theme parks. As far a films go, Disney owns Marvel Studios, but yet because of previous contract deals Spiderman films are made by Sony, and the X-men films are made by Fox. So in really Disney just bought big slices of the Marve, owning the majority of the pie. Having a major comic book company divided like this (which is even more complicated than the DC Comics situation) is kinda weird. As far as the films go, if Marvel had it's own studios company, why did it contact out some of its biggest franchises like Spiderman and X-men to other studios? Was it because they didn't have the means to make huge films, and thought it lucrative to sell those properties to studios that could?

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                                The only way I can see Disney using Marvel in the parks is if they do it at DL, because honestly as time goes on Marvel will just grow and with that be worth more, therefore if Disney ever has the desire to buy out the rights to use those characters at WDW it would just end up costing them an obscene amount of money as time goes by.

                                I've briefly looked at the contact before and from what I understood of it, it basically says "You get to use these Marvel characters as long as you want to". Basically once they decide they don't want these characters anymore, the contact is done with, and these characters are up for grabs. And honestly, I do not see Universal letting these characters go anytime soon.

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                                  Originally posted by DisCollector View Post
                                  The only way I can see Disney using Marvel in the parks is if they do it at DL, because honestly as time goes on Marvel will just grow and with that be worth more, therefore if Disney ever has the desire to buy out the rights to use those characters at WDW it would just end up costing them an obscene amount of money as time goes by.

                                  I've briefly looked at the contact before and from what I understood of it, it basically says "You get to use these Marvel characters as long as you want to". Basically once they decide they don't want these characters anymore, the contact is done with, and these characters are up for grabs. And honestly, I do not see Universal letting these characters go anytime soon.
                                  disagreed, there will always be lulls in the profitability, up until what roughly 10 years ago marvel was nothing near what it is today. disney could theoretically sit and wait for the next lull then attempt to revive the franchises if they wanted to go that route.

                                  on the other hand too I think there might be some loopholes for them on these ultra minor comics they are reviving like guardians of the galaxy. I'm not entirely sure if they too are protected by universal under this contract hence why disney was able to do a meet and greet recently.

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                                  • #18
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                                    Speaking of Marvel how about the news of Captain America 3 in 2016 and Avengers Part 1 in 2018 and part 2 in 2019? Yes please.

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                                      Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
                                      disagreed, there will always be lulls in the profitability, up until what roughly 10 years ago marvel was nothing near what it is today. disney could theoretically sit and wait for the next lull then attempt to revive the franchises if they wanted to go that route.
                                      If you think there is going to be a "lull" in popularity of Marvel characters, you are most certainly wrong.

                                      Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
                                      on the other hand too I think there might be some loopholes for them on these ultra minor comics they are reviving like guardians of the galaxy. I'm not entirely sure if they too are protected by universal under this contract hence why disney was able to do a meet and greet recently.
                                      Yea the loophole is, "if the characters are not currently featured at IoA, they are fair game". "Featured" can mean anything from character M&G to attractions to large 2D cut outs. If IoA uses them, they own them.

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                                        Originally posted by Mondo Mouse View Post
                                        To me the whole Marvel situation is interesting, and confusing. Marvel Entertainment is now owned by the Walt Disney Company, but Disney (as this thread discusses) only has access to Marvel characters in specific theme parks. As far a films go, Disney owns Marvel Studios, but yet because of previous contract deals Spiderman films are made by Sony, and the X-men films are made by Fox. So in really Disney just bought big slices of the Marve, owning the majority of the pie. Having a major comic book company divided like this (which is even more complicated than the DC Comics situation) is kinda weird. As far as the films go, if Marvel had it's own studios company, why did it contact out some of its biggest franchises like Spiderman and X-men to other studios? Was it because they didn't have the means to make huge films, and thought it lucrative to sell those properties to studios that could?
                                        Marvel still owns all of those characters. They were just licensed out. It is nothing unusual. Disney could not go an open up Osaka Disneyland, because they have a licensing deal with the Oriental Land Company for Tokyo Disney Resort. The Oriental Land Company owns the rights to use the characters in a theme park, but they do not own Mickey Mouse and the rest of Disney's intellectual property in all forms in Japan. Think of it like if you are renting an apartment and the owner of the apartment building sells it to someone else. Yes, that new owner now owner your apartment but they cannot just kick you out or raise your rent. The new owner must still follow the agreement you made with the previous owner. Marvel declared bankruptcy in 1996 and the various movie deals were all made before Marvel Studios was started. They were seen as quick and easy ways of making some money. It was only after successes and failures that Marvel realized the films would be better off with Marvel calling the shots.

                                        Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
                                        disagreed, there will always be lulls in the profitability, up until what roughly 10 years ago marvel was nothing near what it is today. disney could theoretically sit and wait for the next lull then attempt to revive the franchises if they wanted to go that route.
                                        At such a time Disney would be paying for has-been properties.

                                        Originally posted by goofy donald View Post
                                        on the other hand too I think there might be some loopholes for them on these ultra minor comics they are reviving like guardians of the galaxy. I'm not entirely sure if they too are protected by universal under this contract hence why disney was able to do a meet and greet recently.
                                        Guardians of Galaxy, the recent film, is based on a comic started in 2008. The contract was signed in 1994 and Islands of Adventure opened in 1999. They are considered to be different from the Guardians of Galaxy that debuted in 1969.

                                        Originally posted by PlutoHasFleas View Post
                                        If you think there is going to be a "lull" in popularity of Marvel characters, you are most certainly wrong.

                                        Yea the loophole is, "if the characters are not currently featured at IoA, they are fair game". "Featured" can mean anything from character M&G to attractions to large 2D cut outs. If IoA uses them, they own them.
                                        Not quite. A meet and greet is not enough to be considered to be "in use" and characters in use grant Universal the rights to not only the character, but the entire family of related characters and villains.

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