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Wow, I think you just see bad things through timing. I don't see what you see.
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Originally posted by SpookyBear View PostI notice the "Disney Look" has gone at the window, but are you really surprised? I mean most of the people who work there get paid just above minimum wage and don't care, and Disney is getting lax because they are having trouble filling the positions. I've worked at Disney before and I will never do it again because the way I was treated was not worth the pay. Most people who work there will not even work there a year. Their lucky if they get them to work 6 months!
The sad part is you can go just about anywhere else to work and get paid more than you do at Disney. Heck, if you just head down I-4 to Universal you can get paid more!
I agree Disney needs to pay more...As far as being treated bad when i was a CP..maybe i was an exception but i was treated just fine...i worked hard and tried to make the most of my situation...made friends with fellow cast members etc ..and tried to enjoy my job the most i can ....I'm a pretty naive sometimes to certain things i know this...but honestly there are a lot worse jobs in the world that you can have than working for Disney...there are so many intangibles that make it unlike anyplace else on earth..the guest contact the atmosphere the whole thing..One thing i found about cast members around you that don't care...its amazing how much you can affect THEM when you try to be happy at work and promote a good atmosphere yourself instead of joining in the Disney bashing (esp from the senior CM's who like to talk about the good old days)....i suppose one day i'll become jaded and care soley about money when choosing where i work ..and less and less about being happy about what i'm doing.....again i know Disney has to pay more...you have to make a living and support yourself and your family if you have one...but think about it...would you rather make .75 cents more an hour and hate your job or make a little less and have a smile every day at work? Sorry i know i'll probably get ripped for this post but just how i feel.
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Originally posted by TDLFAN View PostWell Thanks for the great and informative response PigletFan, I knew I could count on you for some insight and perspectives..
Just a few things... 1) I never said ALL CMs are at fault, I know and commented most do adhere to regulations, but some are also way out there for words to describe how bad they look.
2) Bar codes. I had no clue some costume pieces have barcodes... That is new to me. You have to understand... I am one generation before you.
and 3) Sneakers. When I was a CM in the early 80s, NO ONE was allowed to wear sneaker-type shoes *anywhere*, or with any costume. When was this changed??? I guess I would not have a problem with sneakers on stage as long as they are as simply in designs as possible and preferably in one color that matches the look of the costume overall. I don't think that wild sneakers like the ones sports stars sell on TV, in wild colors, designs and overly bubbly designer soles are acceptable and take away from the look overall. Those are the type of sneakers I saw the EPCOT CM wearing yesterday.
I guess all of these inconsistencies would come to an end if Disney went back to the old ways and did not allow CMs to take costumes home at the end of their shift. The company needs to take more responsability about the quality look of the costumes and stop being so cheap by delegating to costume care to CMs, if that is the case.
I can't tell you when the change took place, except that some CMs at my old work location liked the costume with the old shoes more; however, the ones that costuming had were in terrible condition and the shoes were no longer available to be purchased on the market.
I can't speak for the CM you saw at Epcot, maybe you should speak with him? As for the socks, that could just be more of a fashion length than anything else. The number one concern is approx. length and color and then everything else, for obvious reasons.
As for the bar codes, that's how all things are checked out with Disney now. The older costumes (CMs who checked them out BEFORE the barcodes where put into place) make CMs very hesitant to check out or change costumes. For instance, when buttons fall off costuming has been known to give CMs a safety pin to fix this. IF one of the CMs were to come in with their shirt without a bar code the time it would take for them to look it up, figure out who they are and how to do so would be a pain in the neck. It isn't likely to happen any time soon and if you were one of those CMs with the costume you wouldn't want to fuss with it either.
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Originally posted by ecdlanddude View PostAs a current CM I have noticed very few offenses in my area (Tomorrowland, Custodial). I think the Disney Look is very important and have no problem adhering to it. Maybe the person you saw with the shoes was new? I know they told me I had a week after my first paycheck to be in compliance shoes-wise (but I was ready in time for the first day). In response to everything else I agree with BPF.
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As a current CM I have noticed very few offenses in my area (Tomorrowland, Custodial). I think the Disney Look is very important and have no problem adhering to it. Maybe the person you saw with the shoes was new? I know they told me I had a week after my first paycheck to be in compliance shoes-wise (but I was ready in time for the first day). In response to everything else I agree with BPF.
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Well Thanks for the great and informative response PigletFan, I knew I could count on you for some insight and perspectives..
Just a few things... 1) I never said ALL CMs are at fault, I know and commented most do adhere to regulations, but some are also way out there for words to describe how bad they look.
2) Bar codes. I had no clue some costume pieces have barcodes... That is new to me. You have to understand... I am one generation before you.
and 3) Sneakers. When I was a CM in the early 80s, NO ONE was allowed to wear sneaker-type shoes *anywhere*, or with any costume. When was this changed??? I guess I would not have a problem with sneakers on stage as long as they are as simply in designs as possible and preferably in one color that matches the look of the costume overall. I don't think that wild sneakers like the ones sports stars sell on TV, in wild colors, designs and overly bubbly designer soles are acceptable and take away from the look overall. Those are the type of sneakers I saw the EPCOT CM wearing yesterday.
I guess all of these inconsistencies would come to an end if Disney went back to the old ways and did not allow CMs to take costumes home at the end of their shift. The company needs to take more responsability about the quality look of the costumes and stop being so cheap by delegating to costume care to CMs, if that is the case.
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Originally posted by TDLFAN View PostOK current CMs at WDW... Why is the Disney Look not as revered as it was once at WDW??? Is it really a difficult thing for you guys to get into because of ... politics, mood, what??
Originally posted by TDLFANNow.. this is what I see: wild haircuts that do not meet a more professional standards or show,Originally posted by TDLFANnon-compliance about being in a different land with a costume that does not belong there.Originally posted by TDLFANPoorly fitted outfits, mostly because of body shapes or wrong sizes, discoloration of some garmets,Originally posted by TDLFANand the biggest offense of them all: Non-compliance shoes.
Just last night, a turnstyle CM at EPCOT was wearing sport sneakers in colors that didn't match his outfit and very low cut socks that gave the impression he wasn't wearing any socks at all. In my days, black shoes was the norm, and tennis shoes and sneakers were simply prohibited.
Originally posted by TDLFANNeedless to say, I am appalled at the lack of professionalism I see across property in regards to the proper wear of costumes "on stage". I realize not the entire CM work forced is to be blamed for this. Management has to share the blame for not trying to keep this problem from straying so far out that it becomes painfully noticeable. I personally can find 1 in every 10 CMs not being in compliance about the "Disney Look". Can't anyone take a little pride anymore??? I know some of you CM do take pride and I appreciate and applaud those of you who DO take the time to look the part and be best in show on stage.
Now.. some things that are impacting this issue... Castzooming. CM's doing their own costumes' laundry and ruining it in the process, plus you have no idea how jarring and stupid those costumes look in our local Publix supermarkets.
Along with this, many CMs are able to try on the EASY variation in shirts, pants, etc. to get some that fit them best. So if there's anything good about those shirts that don't have barcodes and are slightly discolored, they fit those senior CMs better than the other ones on the rack would.
For example, if you wore white socks (which I did ONE day because I needed to do laundry as I only had one :blink: black sock left) managers WOULD say something. I got a warning. Others got more of a talking to - and we wore pants and our feet weren't often seen either.
Originally posted by TDLFANSo again.. I ask, what is it with the Disney Look that is so poorly executed, maintained, or enforced at WDW now a days?????
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I notice the "Disney Look" has gone at the window, but are you really surprised? I mean most of the people who work there get paid just above minimum wage and don't care, and Disney is getting lax because they are having trouble filling the positions. I've worked at Disney before and I will never do it again because the way I was treated was not worth the pay. Most people who work there will not even work there a year. Their lucky if they get them to work 6 months!
The sad part is you can go just about anywhere else to work and get paid more than you do at Disney. Heck, if you just head down I-4 to Universal you can get paid more!
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= not serious.
I am serious that I think it's just a general decline in work ethic. Disney also saves a buck by not worrying and helps to keep poor CMs as it refuses to pay for quality CMs.
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Originally posted by lazyboy97O View PostHey man... they like, have a right to be expressive and stuff. Haven't you read the Constitution?
I cannot offer any words regarding Walt Disney World. Personally, I believe it is a part of larger slip in the American work ethic, especially amongst the young. Even at my place of work, the manager refuses to enforce the dress code he implemented, and it's a t-shirt and jeans! Nobody wants to take any pride in their work, and frankly, it really saddens me.
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Hey man... they like, have a right to be expressive and stuff. Haven't you read the Constitution?
I cannot offer any words regarding Walt Disney World. Personally, I believe it is a part of larger slip in the American work ethic, especially amongst the young. Even at my place of work, the manager refuses to enforce the dress code he implemented, and it's a t-shirt and jeans! Nobody wants to take any pride in their work, and frankly, it really saddens me.
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OK current CMs at WDW... Why is the Disney Look not as revered as it was once at WDW??? Is it really a difficult thing for you guys to get into because of ... politics, mood, what??
When I was a CM back in the days, we were beaten over our heads over and over and over with the "disney look" book of regulations and CM's who didn't show up at work in compliance would be sent home with NO PAY for the day.
Now.. this is what I see: wild haircuts that do not meet a more professional standards or show, non-compliance about being in a different land with a costume that does not belong there. Poorly fitted outfits, mostly because of body shapes or wrong sizes, discoloration of some garmets, and the biggest offense of them all: Non-compliance shoes.
Just last night, a turnstyle CM at EPCOT was wearing sport sneakers in colors that didn't match his outfit and very low cut socks that gave the impression he wasn't wearing any socks at all. In my days, black shoes was the norm, and tennis shoes and sneakers were simply prohibited.
Needless to say, I am appalled at the lack of professionalism I see across property in regards to the proper wear of costumes "on stage". I realize not the entire CM work forced is to be blamed for this. Management has to share the blame for not trying to keep this problem from straying so far out that it becomes painfully noticeable. I personally can find 1 in every 10 CMs not being in compliance about the "Disney Look". Can't anyone take a little pride anymore??? I know some of you CM do take pride and I appreciate and applaud those of you who DO take the time to look the part and be best in show on stage.
Now.. some things that are impacting this issue... Castzooming. CM's doing their own costumes' laundry and ruining it in the process, plus you have no idea how jarring and stupid those costumes look in our local Publix supermarkets. Bad move from Disney and I place the blame entirely on management on this one issue. Likewise, the management is at fault for the generic design approach of some of WDW's CMs costumes. I can go my local Gap store, pick up a simple dress shirt and dockers, stick my old nametag on it, and presto! I can take a tour of the tunnel. WDW has got to have the worst collection of CM costumes of any of the Disney Resort, and when something unique comes along, like the "Soarin'" costumes for example, these CMs stick out as a sore thumb simply because they stand out from the average rest of the cast.
So again.. I ask, what is it with the Disney Look that is so poorly executed, maintained, or enforced at WDW now a days?????Tags: None
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