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  • #81
    Re: Four Seasons to Anchor New Disney Luxury Resort - (Merged Threads)

    I'm not sure if everyone posting on here is from the U.S. but outside North America and especially over in the UK (where I am most of the time) Disney World is coming under massive pressure from Dubai Land, due to open in Dubai in a couple of years.

    This park is going to be twice the size of DW in Florida and have a mix of '7 star' luxury accommodation and budget rooms.

    I accept that Dubai Land will never have the reputation or the history that accompanies the Disney brand, but Dubai itself is becoming a major tourist destination and they are going after the european market in a very big way.

    Keep in mind that Florida is the biggest long-haul tourist destination for europeans and the biggest number of those visitors are from the UK.

    Personally, I've visited DW twice or three times a year for the last 20 years, so I feel very sentimental about the entire resort, especially Eagle Pines and Osprey Ridge. I also like the the south west corner of Bay Lake, just along from the Fort Wilderness boat loading peir, which is dense forest at the moment and will likely be lost in the 4 Seasons development...

    However, unless the two new resorts are built, DW will be way behind it's international competition and with falling park attendances the entire place is likely to degenerate even more!

    I think this is the right decision but I also agree the the existing parks MUST be improved and in most cases extended - new parks are not required, just build on the ones already there.

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    • #82
      Re: Four Seasons to Anchor New Disney Luxury Resort - (Merged Threads)

      Dubai Land has twice as much land as WDW, but wake me up when they actually cover it all with facilities. It's easy to make something really huge when your backer is the government ruler.

      Whether things at Dubai will actually be worth your time or will simply be the world's largest carnival, the jury is still out. Whether they'll have the charm, history, and personality of Disney, unlikely.

      And the term "seven-star hotel" is simply meaningless. It's a marketing phrase started by Dubai when opening the Burj hotel. There's no denying that Burj has something special to offer, but to get a five-star rating is pretty spectacular in and of itself. It's an "ours goes up to 11" sort of thing.

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      • #83
        Re: Four Seasons to Anchor New Disney Luxury Resort

        Originally posted by Peterwhite171 View Post
        More and more places to stay in but where are the places to play? Where are the new water Parks and a new park?

        The last thing WDW needs is a new theme park or water park. In fact, the last thing WDW need is more development. Good God, they can't even keep up with what they have now.

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        • #84
          Re: Expect a MAJOR them park expansion in 2010.

          Originally posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
          Wow. Looks like it's to start getting cramped at WDW. It won't be too long and things will start to look like Harbor and Katella...
          Exactly what Walt Disney wanted to avoid by building WDW!!!

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          • #85
            Re: Expect a MAJOR them park expansion in 2010.

            Originally posted by NickCharles View Post
            Exactly what Walt Disney wanted to avoid by building WDW!!!
            And when WDW was being developed, Disney took great pains to try to convince surrounding communities and municipalities to better control via zoning and building codes...development in their towns, so they wouldn't end up with the same urban blight that surrounded the immediate Disneyland area.

            Disney even flew many of the various civic leader out to California on fact-finding junkets, and pointed to Harbor and Katella and basically said, "There! Look at that. Now don't let that happen to your communities."

            It didn't help. The draw of the almighty quick and dirty dollar over any sort of controlled and long-range development plan won out almost without exception. I-192...Vineyard Ave...all around Disney, makes Harbor Blvd look pretty darn good these days.

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            • #86
              Re: Four Seasons to Anchor New Disney Luxury Resort - (Merged Threads)

              You are forgetting the best part about the deals. First the 4 seasons is partly owned by the Shiek who bailed out Euro Disney twice so he was owed something in return and the best is that the other part owner is BILL GATES who If I am not mistaken has a long running feud with Steve Jobs. Wonder how he feels about RCID de-annexing land back to Orange County and selling it right to his rival. Somewhere Walt is fuming and wanting to come back and take back his WDW world he envisioned. Plus Walt is still asking who put McDonalds in EPCOT. Also the reason why they are going with 3rd party companies is they can't fill the jobs they have here right now. If anyone at WDW gets a chance drive by the Contemporary Resort and look at the gaping hole they just did by tearing down the North Wing.

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              • #87
                Re: Four Seasons to Anchor New Disney Luxury Resort - (Merged Threads)

                Originally posted by BALASADA View Post
                You are forgetting the best part about the deals. First the 4 seasons is partly owned by the Shiek who bailed out Euro Disney twice so he was owed something in return and the best is that the other part owner is BILL GATES who If I am not mistaken has a long running feud with Steve Jobs. Wonder how he feels about RCID de-annexing land back to Orange County and selling it right to his rival. Somewhere Walt is fuming and wanting to come back and take back his WDW world he envisioned. Plus Walt is still asking who put McDonalds in EPCOT.
                Before you say that Walt is spinning somewhere, keep in mind that almost everything in Disneyland had a corporate sponsor. Keep in mind Walt built three of his biggest attractions on third-party company funds for the Worlds Fair AND got to keep them as his own showpieces after the companies were done using them. Keep in mind Walt planned the original EPCOT as a showpiece of corporate America's emerging technology. Did you really think WED was going to build an entire domed city with their own resources?


                Walt struck plenty of deals with third parties, he just got a lot more out of them then everyone else has. Which is to be expected, since selling things was his greatest ability and how he managed to convince everyone to take his big risks.

                Walt could have sold sand to that Saudi prince if he was around.

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                • #88
                  Re: Four Seasons to Anchor New Disney Luxury Resort - (Merged Threads)

                  Originally posted by MickeyMania View Post
                  Before you say that Walt is spinning somewhere, keep in mind that almost everything in Disneyland had a corporate sponsor. Keep in mind Walt built three of his biggest attractions on third-party company funds for the Worlds Fair AND got to keep them as his own showpieces after the companies were done using them. Keep in mind Walt planned the original EPCOT as a showpiece of corporate America's emerging technology. Did you really think WED was going to build an entire domed city with their own resources?


                  Walt struck plenty of deals with third parties, he just got a lot more out of them then everyone else has. Which is to be expected, since selling things was his greatest ability and how he managed to convince everyone to take his big risks.

                  Walt could have sold sand to that Saudi prince if he was around.
                  You keep forgetting the big picture. Remember way back when Walt tried to outsource jobs in Animation he relized he neede inside people to do the job right. Also he bought in Florida to create a world away from the outside area. McDonalds at Downtown Disney and by Blizzard Beach I can see but not in EPCOT. Also more layoffs are coming .

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                  • #89
                    Re: Four Seasons to Anchor New Disney Luxury Resort - (Merged Threads)

                    Originally posted by MickeyMania View Post
                    Before you say that Walt is spinning somewhere, keep in mind that almost everything in Disneyland had a corporate sponsor. Keep in mind Walt built three of his biggest attractions on third-party company funds for the Worlds Fair AND got to keep them as his own showpieces after the companies were done using them. Keep in mind Walt planned the original EPCOT as a showpiece of corporate America's emerging technology. Did you really think WED was going to build an entire domed city with their own resources?


                    Walt struck plenty of deals with third parties, he just got a lot more out of them then everyone else has. Which is to be expected, since selling things was his greatest ability and how he managed to convince everyone to take his big risks.

                    Walt could have sold sand to that Saudi prince if he was around.
                    Also Walkt and Ray Croc knew each other well but he didn't have McDonalds in Walt Disney World.

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                    • #90
                      Re: Four Seasons to Anchor New Disney Luxury Resort - (Merged Threads)

                      Originally posted by BALASADA View Post
                      You keep forgetting the big picture. Remember way back when Walt tried to outsource jobs in Animation he relized he neede inside people to do the job right. Also he bought in Florida to create a world away from the outside area. McDonalds at Downtown Disney and by Blizzard Beach I can see but not in EPCOT. Also more layoffs are coming .
                      While it's well documented that Walt didn't like all the commercialism outside the gates of Disneyland, there was a lot of commercialism inside Disneyland he didn't have any problem with. Remember Casa de Fritos? There was a big statue of the corn chip mascot who also doubled as a vending machine for the product. That's far more blatant marketing than what's going on at the McDonalds in Epcot.

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