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  • Is Disneyworld's Twilight Zone Tower of Terror in peril?

    I didn't want to have to talk about this, but here we go..

    I'm just coming from the Disneyland section, and I heard from a few separate users that the Orlando version is in danger pending the success of the version in Disney's California Adventure. Does anybody have a source on this? A link? Is this something Disney is seriously considering doing?

    I fought hard against the DCA change, but lightened up because I know the true original still stands. But I'm going to go bonkers if this version is lost to some second rate comic book turned film.. or to anything, for that matter.

    I know the park is currently undergoing a ton of changes and they wont be done in the near future, so Orlando's version of the attraction is presumably safe... for the immediate future.

  • 1LE McQueen
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    Originally posted by HMF View Post

    He didn't but several people in TDA's PR Department did.
    So maybe the people in the PR department were speaking out of term? Either that or they were told to lie. I like to believe the former. I remember the rumors started swirling like crazy and the company never denied them. Really had me worried. then the announcement came.

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  • HMF
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    Originally posted by 1LE McQueen View Post

    Did he say that about DCA's? I remember hearing somewhere he said something along the lines of "we have no plans as of now" in regards to the HS version
    He didn't but several people in TDA's PR Department did.

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  • 1LE McQueen
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    Originally posted by HMF View Post

    According to Chapek it's not, but neither was DCA's.
    Did he say that about DCA's? I remember hearing somewhere he said something along the lines of "we have no plans as of now" in regards to the HS version

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  • HMF
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    Originally posted by 1LE McQueen View Post



    I'm being very wishful on this subject. I don't want that ride to go anywhere.

    We can argue this left and right, but I think we as enthusiasts deserve to know if the Florida version will be in danger or not, because right now it is all speculation.
    According to Chapek it's not, but neither was DCA's.

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  • 1LE McQueen
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    Originally posted by HMF View Post

    The reason it did not happen in Florida (Yet?) is because so much of DHS is a construction zone right now that if they shut down Tower there would be virtually nothing to do in the park and Georgre Kalogridis more or less put his foot down and said no.
    Originally posted by Wreckless Abrandon View Post

    The shareholders care. The Executives care. They ultimately care about how much money Disney has to spend to make money. I'm talking about how they pay licensing to use the Twilight Zone name. Snow White is older, and so is Cinderella, but Disney keeps them relevant and owns the likenesses of them. That's a huge difference. As much as I like and watch the Twilight Zone shows, most people don't recognize or care about it as much as they do with the Disney Princesses. If you show someone a character from the Twilight Zone next to Aurora or Snow White or Cinderella, the vast majority of people will know who they are and not the Twilight Zone character. Why spend money on a license that most people don't recognize?

    If they don't have to pay for something additional every year for the licensing, they'd rather not bother with it. I'd rather not have any movie or TV tie in to be honest.
    I'm being very wishful on this subject. I don't want that ride to go anywhere.

    We can argue this left and right, but I think we as enthusiasts deserve to know if the Florida version will be in danger or not, because right now it is all speculation.

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  • Wreckless Abrandon
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    Originally posted by 1LE McQueen View Post

    And who cares if there hasn't been a Twilight Zone show in so long? More then half of everything at Disneyland is older then Twilight Zone.
    The shareholders care. The Executives care. They ultimately care about how much money Disney has to spend to make money. I'm talking about how they pay licensing to use the Twilight Zone name. Snow White is older, and so is Cinderella, but Disney keeps them relevant and owns the likenesses of them. That's a huge difference. As much as I like and watch the Twilight Zone shows, most people don't recognize or care about it as much as they do with the Disney Princesses. If you show someone a character from the Twilight Zone next to Aurora or Snow White or Cinderella, the vast majority of people will know who they are and not the Twilight Zone character. Why spend money on a license that most people don't recognize?

    If they don't have to pay for something additional every year for the licensing, they'd rather not bother with it. I'd rather not have any movie or TV tie in to be honest.

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  • HMF
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    Originally posted by 1LE McQueen View Post
    to its credit, that attraction is the Disney Studios theme park poster child. And considering it is the absolute original out of every one (knock off or different story), the execs would have to be pretty heartless to approve the change. I wouldn't be surprised if Chapek ran the idea past them already and they put the vote to a NO.

    And who cares if there hasn't been a Twilight Zone show in so long? More then half of everything at Disneyland is older then Twilight Zone.
    The reason it did not happen in Florida (Yet?) is because so much of DHS is a construction zone right now that if they shut down Tower there would be virtually nothing to do in the park and Georgre Kalogridis more or less put his foot down and said no.

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  • 1LE McQueen
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    to its credit, that attraction is the Disney Studios theme park poster child. And considering it is the absolute original out of every one (knock off or different story), the execs would have to be pretty heartless to approve the change. I wouldn't be surprised if Chapek ran the idea past them already and they put the vote to a NO.

    And who cares if there hasn't been a Twilight Zone show in so long? More then half of everything at Disneyland is older then Twilight Zone.

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  • Eagleman
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    Originally posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    The reality is, if DCA's was expendable, they all eventually will be.
    I hate ,to say your right ,But your right , DCA's was expendable ,
    for it did not start out right,in the first place-- originality, innovation was not there.
    and why it's being use for Disney Marketing IP Billboard!
    imo

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  • Wreckless Abrandon
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    Originally posted by HM999 View Post
    There hasn't been a new episode since 1964.
    You're talking about the original show. They had a revival twice... once in the mid to late 80's, and then early in the 2000's. I think they remade some of the original episodes, but there are mostly new stories. For example, they remade the one on the plane with William Shatner from the 60's version, using John Lithgow in the 80's version. But I think the majority of them are new stories. I know there's talk of a new series, but that's been thrown around for a few years with nothing to show for it.

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  • HM999
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    Originally posted by Wreckless Abrandon View Post
    ...and hasn't had a new episode since the early 2000's?
    There hasn't been a new episode since 1964.

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  • Wreckless Abrandon
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    Personally, I think within the next 10 years, there's a chance the Twilight Zone theme will go away at WDW. I mean don't they have to pay for the licensing for a show that's in syndication and hasn't had a new episode since the early 2000's? Maybe the agreement is different for each side of the Mississippi, just like how Marvel is split at the parks.

    I'd prefer both ToT's be converted into what they have at Tokyo Disney Sea where it's not a TV show or movie franchise, but just a well fleshed storyline.

    Ultimately, Disney is more into selling product inside AND outside of the parks in multiple forms of media and merchandise. Toys, movies, shirts, tv shows, etc. They can't do that with a Big Thunder or Jungle Cruise until they make a movie or TV show. I'm not saying I agree, but it's pretty much in our faces.
    Last edited by Wreckless Abrandon; 04-03-2017, 12:02 PM. Reason: mistyped something

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    The reality is, if DCA's was expendable, they all eventually will be.
    True, sad to say.


    Originally posted by 1LE McQueen View Post
    I'm hoping the backlash was enough to dissuade that dummy Chapek.
    Unfortunately, not a chance. The only thing that will stop the 2Bobs from turning WDW and DLR into berm-to-berm brand infomercials is a significant drop in visitor numbers, accompanied by internal polls that peg poor value and excessive brand promotion as the causes.

    Even then, management's first response would be to blame other factors and launch a tsunami of discount pricing schemes.

    Sad to say, as long as consumer products marketers are running the Magic Kingdoms, WDW and DLR will increasingly be transformed into WalMarts of brands, brands and more brands -- originality, innovation and theme appropriateness be damned.


    Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 02-12-2017, 03:59 PM.

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  • 1LE McQueen
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    Originally posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    The reality is, if DCA's was expendable, they all eventually will be.
    I'm hoping the backlash was enough to dissuade that dummy Chapek.

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  • k_peek_2000
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    The reality is, if DCA's was expendable, they all eventually will be.

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  • 1LE McQueen
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    Originally posted by Professortango View Post

    DHS is moving away from being a park themed around a movie studio and more about a park themed around movie properties. Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land, Muppet Courtyard, Super Hero Land, and a Hollywood entrance/hub sounds inline with their thinking.

    Plus, I think kind of missed opportunities like the 5th Dimension Room could really be improved with the new story line. DHS' Tower is much better suited for the change due to the space in the actual attraction and it gets them into the same Merchandising spot they want with Guardians toys and t's replacing Twilight Zone merch.

    Originally posted by mtlchuck View Post

    Don't give them ideas!! Tower of Terror is the second most important haunted attraction at Disney. The one in Florida should be kept off Marvel.
    I was gonna say!!!! XD

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  • mtlchuck
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    Originally posted by Professortango View Post

    DHS is moving away from being a park themed around a movie studio and more about a park themed around movie properties. Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land, Muppet Courtyard, Super Hero Land, and a Hollywood entrance/hub sounds inline with their thinking.

    Plus, I think kind of missed opportunities like the 5th Dimension Room could really be improved with the new story line. DHS' Tower is much better suited for the change due to the space in the actual attraction and it gets them into the same Merchandising spot they want with Guardians toys and t's replacing Twilight Zone merch.
    Don't give them ideas!! Tower of Terror is the second most important haunted attraction at Disney. The one in Florida should be kept off Marvel.

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  • Professortango
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    Originally posted by 1LE McQueen View Post

    All I can really say is that I hope your wrong. Otherwise, I'm going to have to wish for a terrible attraction at DCA.



    The attraction has been the cornerstone of DHS for years. It's made hundreds of official lists being named one of the best attractions ever made. Chapek would be shooting himself in the foot for changing that one too I'd think.
    DHS is moving away from being a park themed around a movie studio and more about a park themed around movie properties. Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land, Muppet Courtyard, Super Hero Land, and a Hollywood entrance/hub sounds inline with their thinking.

    Plus, I think kind of missed opportunities like the 5th Dimension Room could really be improved with the new story line. DHS' Tower is much better suited for the change due to the space in the actual attraction and it gets them into the same Merchandising spot they want with Guardians toys and t's replacing Twilight Zone merch.

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  • 1LE McQueen
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    Originally posted by Professortango View Post
    It's on the table for sure. WDW's Tower is actually better suited to the Guardians retheme and I support it more for DHS than I do for DCA.

    If DCA's is a hit, WDW will likely greenlight the same changeover.
    All I can really say is that I hope your wrong. Otherwise, I'm going to have to wish for a terrible attraction at DCA.

    Originally posted by danlb_2000 View Post

    Disney has publically said there are not plans to do this at DHS.

    Long term it might work out better for DCA since a whole Marvel land can be built around it, but that would be much harder to do at DHS due to the licensing restrictions.
    The attraction has been the cornerstone of DHS for years. It's made hundreds of official lists being named one of the best attractions ever made. Chapek would be shooting himself in the foot for changing that one too I'd think.

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