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Pandora: Intentional low capacity rides?

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  • Pandora: Intentional low capacity rides?

    I recently read some (very precise) criticism over the boat design that will be used for the Navii river ride at Pandora:

    http://imgstore.wdwmagic.com/imgstor...ogressive=true

    As you can notice, the boats fit FOUR guests... all while Disney has long understood the need for high guest capacity rides.

    This has lead me to the theory that Disney has purposely made the attraction low-capacity in order to inflate the wait times and give it a sense of popularity. They are well aware of the lukewarm response Pandora has garnered, and I think that they will definetly use claims such as "300 minute wait for Pandora" in their favour, this being due to low capacity rather than high interest. Any thoughts on this theory?

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    Originally posted by mtlchuck View Post
    I recently read some (very precise) criticism over the boat design that will be used for the Navii river ride at Pandora:

    http://imgstore.wdwmagic.com/imgstor...ogressive=true

    As you can notice, the boats fit FOUR guests... all while Disney has long understood the need for high guest capacity rides.

    This has lead me to the theory that Disney has purposely made the attraction low-capacity in order to inflate the wait times and give it a sense of popularity. They are well aware of the lukewarm response Pandora has garnered, and I think that they will definetly use claims such as "300 minute wait for Pandora" in their favour, this being due to low capacity rather than high interest. Any thoughts on this theory?
    The "deliberately maximize wait times" theory is contrary to Disney's business M.O. Like all theme parks, they measure success by maximizing customer throughput, not minimizing it. There's no company in the theme park industry that would do such a thing, Disney least of all.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by mtlchuck View Post
      I recently read some (very precise) criticism over the boat design that will be used for the Navii river ride at Pandora:

      http://imgstore.wdwmagic.com/imgstor...ogressive=true

      As you can notice, the boats fit FOUR guests... all while Disney has long understood the need for high guest capacity rides.

      This has lead me to the theory that Disney has purposely made the attraction low-capacity in order to inflate the wait times and give it a sense of popularity. They are well aware of the lukewarm response Pandora has garnered, and I think that they will definetly use claims such as "300 minute wait for Pandora" in their favour, this being due to low capacity rather than high interest. Any thoughts on this theory?
      8 guests per boat not 4, two rows of 4. Yes, 8 is still small, but not as bad as 4.

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      • #4
        Why would they deliberately make this design choice for a brand new ride with no budgetary nor space constraints whatsoever?! I really do think that, Pandora being a knee-jerk reaction to Potter, their ego/desperation got the best of them.

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        • #5
          Another issue to consider is how fast can they launch these boats? Perhaps if they launch quickly enough it would actually increase the capacity.
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          • #6
            I think the loading area might be like "Test Track" or RSR, with up to 6 of the boats all in a row, all loading at the same time, and they'll space themselves out early in the ride. You might even load from a moving platform or turntable, like Grizzly River Run or Kali River. The size of the boats (which are obviously much smaller than what we're used to with "Pirates" "small world", or "Frozen/Maelstrom") could be deceptive. They might have found a way to offer high capacity and a more "intimate" experience than what we've seen before.
            On a side note, I noticed in some of the videos that the riders have some sort of light shining up on them from inside the boats. I have a feeling that that is something temporary just for promotion so you can read the guests faces easier. I don't think you'll have a light shining up in your face during the actual ride.
            But purposeful low capacity? I don't think so.

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            • #7
              Yeah I'm gonna agree with everyone else and say no. Disney makes no money from you when you're in line, therefore they'd rather have you wait less so you can ride and get back out to the park and spend money.

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              • #8
                Well it's a possibility as in front of investors they could say that lines are long even on non busy days proving that Disneyworld is insanely popular meaning investors will throw money at them.
                Originally posted by micromind
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Grizzlyhead View Post
                  Well it's a possibility as in front of investors they could say that lines are long even on non busy days proving that Disneyworld is insanely popular meaning investors will throw money at them.
                  It's not at all possible that Disney would tout long lines. In front of investors they talk about gate receipts and ROIs, not how long the lines are, as proof of success. In no way whatsoever are long lines a business advantage, much less a selling point.
                  "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
                  Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
                  imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

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                  • #10
                    I'm sure there are those who know more than I do about this, but is it possible that although the vehicles are made to resemble boats, they are actually some form of constantly loading Omnimover vehicle, which would serve to speed up loading and increase capacity?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mtlchuck View Post
                      Why would they deliberately make this design choice for a brand new ride with no budgetary nor space constraints whatsoever?! I really do think that, Pandora being a knee-jerk reaction to Potter, their ego/desperation got the best of them.
                      This is honestly a ridiculous theory, about intentionally deflating rider capacity. Yes, I agree that Avatar was a knee jerking reaction.

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                      • #12
                        Also, I think the question about capacity has been answered. In the POV videos now posted it looks as though they load the boats at ...three at a time? Plus there might be an additional ADA loading area that doesn't seem to be visible in the videos that we don't know about but still might be there.
                        Three boats at a time with two rows each equals six rows at a time, or about the same as "Pirates", "iasw", etc. I know that "Pirates" handles over 2000 an hour, making it one of their highest capacity attractions, meaning this should be similar. Translation, this will be a real "people eater". In other words, don't judge an attractions capacity just based on images of one ride vehicle.
                        Off topic, I saw a welcome sight in one of those videos showing the entrance to "Flight of Passage". It said "single rider entrance". Yeah!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 9oldmen View Post
                          Also, I think the question about capacity has been answered. In the POV videos now posted it looks as though they load the boats at ...three at a time? Plus there might be an additional ADA loading area that doesn't seem to be visible in the videos that we don't know about but still might be there.
                          Three boats at a time with two rows each equals six rows at a time, or about the same as "Pirates", "iasw", etc. I know that "Pirates" handles over 2000 an hour, making it one of their highest capacity attractions, meaning this should be similar. Translation, this will be a real "people eater". In other words, don't judge an attractions capacity just based on images of one ride vehicle.
                          Off topic, I saw a welcome sight in one of those videos showing the entrance to "Flight of Passage". It said "single rider entrance". Yeah!!
                          I agree with your assessment of the loadings. I think the smaller boats are a great idea to make the experience feel more intimate than the bigger IASW/POTC boats.
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