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Can someone please explain to me why Na'vi River Journey is a disappointment?

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  • Can someone please explain to me why Na'vi River Journey is a disappointment?

    For a ride that is that beautifully themed and executed, I don't get the criticism. It's a nice, slow ride. I think it's honestly just an example of some people's privilege when they say they get "bored" by the ride. A nice, air conditioned , slow boat ride through a bio luminescent forest sounds like a more pleasing experience to me than having some cheesy story forced down my throat. You are there to admire the scenery, you are a tourist on Pandora. I'm going to ride the ride over and over again to look at the flora and fauna (which is the whole point of the ride). Sometimes a "story" just means a cohesive, immersive environment and setting- it does not literally mean that the ride has to have a rigged, structured plot (like Radiator Springs Racers). Sometimes things need to be ambiguous- I mean what's the whole story behind Pirates of the Caribbean?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Spectacular View Post
    Sometimes things need to be ambiguous- I mean what's the whole story behind Pirates of the Caribbean?
    We came across the hidden treasured and are "cursed" back in time to relive the events

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Benny View Post

      We came across the hidden treasured and are "cursed" back in time to relive the events
      Do you think that's obvious to guests? I mean it's the same idea with the Na'Vi River Journey. You are taking an 'ace expeditions' sponsored tour through the bio luminescent forest and you happen to encounter some of the locals, including a shaman.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Spectacular View Post
        Sometimes a "story" just means a cohesive, immersive environment and setting- it does not literally mean that the ride has to have a rigged, structured plot (like Radiator Springs Racers). Sometimes things need to be ambiguous- I mean what's the whole story behind Pirates of the Caribbean?
        I agree. Rides don't always need to have a character and a driven plot line. Just create an engaging and immersive environment. Space Mountain doesn't have a discernible story. Neither does Big Thunder. The stories on Pirates and Haunted Mansion are so subtle that they can barely be detected by most visitors.

        As for the new ride being disappointing, I haven't even been on it yet as it's not even open to the public. I'm not going to spend much time looking at other people's reviews.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Co Foo View Post
          I agree. Rides don't always need to have a character and a driven plot line. Just create an engaging and immersive environment. Space Mountain doesn't have a discernible story. Neither does Big Thunder. The stories on Pirates and Haunted Mansion are so subtle that they can barely be detected by most visitors.
          Every Disney ride has a character and a purpose for that character -- even (and especially) if the character is you and the purpose is only implied or ambiguous. You are Peter Pan, flying over London. You are piloting your personal Dumbo the Flying Elephant over the skies of Fantasyland (even if it is only in a circle). You are on a journey around the world, accompanied by the world's children, in Small World. You're an explorer in the Jungle Cruise, a sing-along participant with the Country Bears, a thrill-seeker in the Matterhorn, a romantic time traveler aboard the Mark Twain. On every ride, you are cast as something, and involved somehow in the purpose of the ride.

          So in Pandora, who is the character and what is the purpose?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

            Every Disney ride has a character and a purpose for that character -- even (and especially) if the character is you and the purpose is only implied or ambiguous. You are Peter Pan, flying over London. You are piloting your personal Dumbo the Flying Elephant over the skies of Fantasyland (even if it is only in a circle). You are on a journey around the world, accompanied by the world's children, in Small World. You're an explorer in the Jungle Cruise, a sing-along participant with the Country Bears, a thrill-seeker in the Matterhorn, a romantic time traveler aboard the Mark Twain. On every ride, you are cast as something, and involved somehow in the purpose of the ride.

            So in Pandora, who is the character and what is the purpose?
            Having not yet been on the ride as the area isn't even open to the public yet, I'd be hesitant to speculate too much. However, based on what I've seen we are explorers of the pandora world and we are touring their bioluminescent forest.

            If being an explorer in the Jungle Cruise counts as being a character in that story, I don't see why being an explorer in Pandora can't be given that same credit.

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            • #7
              Not everything has to be a thrill a minute, exciting speed ride. Some of my favorite Disney experiences involve simply taking a leisurely ride and examining the scenery, such as the canoes, Small World, Railroad, Friendship boats at Epcot, Storybook Land at Disneyland, and the Main Street vehicles.

              Although it will be years before I get to see Pandora for myself, I am looking forward to exploring the Na'Vi River at a slow pace and savoring every moment.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Co Foo View Post

                Having not yet been on the ride as the area isn't even open to the public yet, I'd be hesitant to speculate too much. However, based on what I've seen we are explorers of the pandora world and we are touring their bioluminescent forest.

                If being an explorer in the Jungle Cruise counts as being a character in that story, I don't see why being an explorer in Pandora can't be given that same credit.
                I'm very much not a part of the Pandora fan club, but I can see a story here - it dovetails with the overall AK ecological mission. You're being exposed to the same things that seduced the main character from the movie from "harvester" to "protector". I'm gathering that the overall story of the land is similar - "What a mighty, beautiful place Pandora is - we should protect it, and hey why not the Earth too?"
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BogLurch View Post

                  I'm very much not a part of the Pandora fan club, but I can see a story here - it dovetails with the overall AK ecological mission. You're being exposed to the same things that seduced the main character from the movie from "harvester" to "protector". I'm gathering that the overall story of the land is similar - "What a mighty, beautiful place Pandora is - we should protect it, and hey why not the Earth too?"
                  I barely remember Avatar at all, but I'm pretty jazzed about the new land because I'm a fan of immersive imagineering. The story might be present, but that's probably not what's going to make the attraction work. Compared to Indiana Jones where it's more than just driving through some cursed temple, but following a well known character on his adventure.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Co Foo View Post

                    I barely remember Avatar at all, but I'm pretty jazzed about the new land because I'm a fan of immersive imagineering. The story might be present, but that's probably not what's going to make the attraction work. Compared to Indiana Jones where it's more than just driving through some cursed temple, but following a well known character on his adventure.
                    Yeah. I'm not seeing it as an "in your face" kind of narrative story, more a rough framework for guests to hang their own interpretation on (the aforementioned "Take care of places like this, no, seriously.")
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BogLurch View Post

                      Yeah. I'm not seeing it as an "in your face" kind of narrative story, more a rough framework for guests to hang their own interpretation on (the aforementioned "Take care of places like this, no, seriously.")
                      Which is basically the theme for the whole park. My sense is that the best rides rely more on evoking a feeling, rather than a cohesive narrative.

                      I'm going next month and the anticipation is reaching the fever pitch level.

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                      • #12
                        Animal Kingdom is definitely more about a calm relaxed type feel. We haven't ridden it yet, but there are plenty of rides that don't throw the narrative into your face. Some rides are just about enjoying the beauty of nature or something interesting!
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                        • #13
                          From Kevin Yee's review:

                          Originally posted by Kevin Yee
                          ...Na’Vi River Journey highlights nature with equal single-mindedness. The ride is physically gentle, but its only purpose is to showcase Pandora’s flora and fauna, which will be confusing for some visitors, who by now expect most Disney attractions to tell a story. There’s a very impressive animatronic in the form of an Ewya tree shaman, but the ride has no storyline to speak of. Nothing in preshows, and not even really a transition into the nighttime version of the land (even though it’s daytime outside). It many ways, it’s the embodiment of my original assertion about the entire land: exceptional and ground-breaking eye candy, but not enough story and leaves you wanting more (the ride was also a bit shorter than I expected). I liked the Marc Davis-era Disneyland attractions that focused on atmosphere more than narrative, though such attractions weren’t always billed as E-Tickets.
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                          imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Muerte Mouse View Post
                            Animal Kingdom is definitely more about a calm relaxed type feel. We haven't ridden it yet, but there are plenty of rides that don't throw the narrative into your face. Some rides are just about enjoying the beauty of nature or something interesting!
                            In fact, they seem to have been purposefully cutting back on more sophisticated narratives. A long time ago, the Kilimanjaro Safari ride had an entire side-story about poachers trying to steal a baby elephant, and your vehicle got involved in trying to stop them. When I was there last year, that story element was completely gone. It was simply a safari ride with no story. Not necessarily complaining, but personally, I thought they had a good balance originally.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sbk1234 View Post

                              In fact, they seem to have been purposefully cutting back on more sophisticated narratives. A long time ago, the Kilimanjaro Safari ride had an entire side-story about poachers trying to steal a baby elephant, and your vehicle got involved in trying to stop them. When I was there last year, that story element was completely gone. It was simply a safari ride with no story. Not necessarily complaining, but personally, I thought they had a good balance originally.
                              I remember that now! I had forgotten until you pointed it out. I thought that was fun as well. I definitely understand enjoying some back story, I guess I usually try and use Animal Kingdom as a buffer to the other parks, more easy going and laid back.
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                              • #16
                                !!!!!!!!!!! "I mean what's the whole story behind Pirates of the Caribbean?" !!!!!!!!

                                ARGH!!! Did you really say that?!?

                                Pirates of the Caribbean is a reminiscence of the actual pirate Jean Lafitte ...one of whose real anchors is just outside the entrance to the attraction in NOS. Lafitte is seen at the start of the story in his old age, rocking as a banjo plays in the background. He thinks about the treasures and loot he's pirated and then BOOM! he takes us through the story of a specific town's marauding...and the inevitable consequences of jailtime for doing so.

                                You're welcome.

                                It’s the only attraction that is in all of Disney’s Magic Kingdom parks around the world (Hong Kong a temporary exception), showing its universal appeal. It spawned an enormously successful film franchise. And still, unlike other attractions that are half-a-century old, it draws crowds like crazy. At 3400 guests per hour, it’s a good thing it has the largest rider capacity of any attraction in the entire resort.Prior to the 1964 World’s fair in New York, a foundation was poured for Pirates to be a walk-through display of miniature scenes and figurines as a kind of museum among the stores within and below the long-planned New Orleans Square.


                                But after the triumph of presenting Abraham Lincoln at the World’s Fair (the first human audio-animatronic), Disney had the foundation torn up, a show building constructed outside the berm behind New Orleans Square, and all the miniature scenes made life-sized, underground and all the characters moving, speaking and singing.

                                It permanently set apart Disneyland from all other amusement parks, spawned an incredibly profitable movie franchise and continues to be enormously popular 50 years (next summer) after it was opened.

                                Although originally, all the skeletons in Disneyland’s Pirates of the Caribbean were from USC’s medical center, all of them have been replaced in the 50 years since the attraction opened, except the skull over on the headboard above the skeleton on a bed in the pre-show.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by vnormth View Post

                                  Pirates of the Caribbean is a reminiscence of the actual pirate Jean Lafitte ...one of whose real anchors is just outside the entrance to the attraction in NOS. Lafitte is seen at the start of the story in his old age, rocking as a banjo plays in the background. He thinks about the treasures and loot he's pirated and then BOOM! he takes us through the story of a specific town's marauding...and the inevitable consequences of jailtime for doing so.

                                  Although POTC is my favorite Disneyland attraction, I've never been aware of this backstory. I knew about the dock being named Lafitte's Landing, but I only thought that was selected as a "piraty" sounding name, as well as the connection to Jean Lafitte and New Orleans. I NEVER even considered the old man in front of the shack was Lafitte, or any retired old pirate. I just accepted him as part of the wonderful atmosphere that made up the whole attraction.

                                  But this goes to show, as specific as that backstory seems to be, knowing the intimate details of it are really irrelevant to being able to enjoy the attraction as the masterpiece it is.


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                                  • #19
                                    If this ride was always a walk on then I see why I'd like it....get you out of the heat for a few minutes...but waiting more then 10 minutes for this seems like a waste....it pretty and the AA's are great...but whats the point?

                                    At least with Pirates and HM which are "slower" rides they take you somewhere interesting...this is some forest where you see glowing things and thats it....not the worst ride not the best either. Maybe some Large AA's that are walking around would help make it more impressive without making it thrilling but nothing about this really wows me or seems to be telling me anything interesting.


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                                    • #20
                                      Navii River Journey was awesome, my only problem is it's so short of a attraction I don't think it's worth it to wait more than 30minutes for. Otherwise the attraction is pretty visually stunning, just seems like they crammed everything into a quick little package so they left out the other half of the ride.
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