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    I found this interesting article in the Sentinel...

    Rezoning plans now circulating inOrange County government's planning division remain limited in detail but suggest a neighborhood like no other: a gated community of estate homes, village homes, courtyard homes, cluster-villa homes and condominiums closer than most of Disney's hotels to the world's most popular theme parks. Disney is asking Orange County to rezone the property as a planned development, with areas defined for single-family homes, multifamily homes, time-share units and conservation easements.

    Altogether, the project could encompass as many as 373 single-family homes, 200 multifamily homes and 60 time-share units, though the final tallies are expected to be lower.


    Earlier forays

    Disney World has spun off land for residential development before -- notably the communities of Celebration and Little Lake Bryan -- but the Northeast Resort would be far more luxurious, said Marilyn Waters, spokeswoman for Walt Disney Imagineering, the Disney office that handles real-estate development. She compared the Northeast Resort concept to the Four Seasons-anchored Aviara community in San Diego, a high-end vacation community for people rich enough to have multimillion-dollar second or third homes.

    "This is in essence the coming together of the Disney brand and the Four Seasons brand. This is the first time that has happened," Waters said. "These are often the types of places people come in for two or three weeks, then they won't be back for several months."

    William Weaver, a real-estate professor at the University of Central Florida, predicted Disney would market such homes heavily overseas. Disney's reputation for attention to detail, he said, along with the project's unique location, should make even mansions easy to sell, regardless of market conditions.

    "I can't see many Americans buying multimillion-dollar second houses on Disney property, not very many. But I certainly can see foreigners," Weaver said. "As the dollar keeps deteriorating against everything else, it becomes cheaper and cheaper."

    The area would be developed much as Disney developed Little Lake Bryan, Celebration and a couple of smaller projects. Disney would have the property de-annexed from both the Reedy Creek Improvement District -- the independent government district created in 1967 to provide countylike services to Disney World -- and from Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake, the two cities created back then to provide city services to most of Disney World.

    Orange County would then provide such services, including utilities, fire protection and sheriff's patrols.

    Although the area is still within Reedy Creek's jurisdiction for now, Disney is seeking advance approval fromOrange County officials with a de-annexation in mind. The project is now headed for public hearings before the county Planning and Zoning Commission and the Board of County Commissioners.


    Getting to work

    Earlier this month, Disney World contractors began preparing the site, installing construction fences and doing some light earthmoving on land north of Vista Boulevard and west of Winter Garden-Vineland Road. That work should take most of the rest of the year, Waters said, but actual home construction could start before the year is out.

    The vast majority of the homes would be built to order, and the entire community could take up to 10 years to build, though planners don't expect it to take that long.

    The county has recommended a few changes in the plans, yet there appear to be no major concerns,Orange County Planning Administrator John Smogor said.

    Built out to the maximum, the area could house an estimated 1,702 people. The county has to review the plans under the assumption that, except for the time-share units, the homes would serve as the owners' primary residences, Smogor said, meaning a year-round impact on roads and services.

    But "if they sell these homes to rich people in Japan, the Philippines, Chicago or New York, and they want to come down here and just have a big house a few weeks a year at Disney, that's fine," he said.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...,2316702.story

    In summary, WDI is looking to construct a number of single and multi-family homes in the North Eastern section of the property. This land will then be de-annexed to Orange County.
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    Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

    Hmmm very interesting... If Disney is planning a community for the Wealthy... one would think that they would build an attraction that would also cater to them.... hmmmm (Night Kingdom)
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    • #3
      Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

      They keep using the land for these kind of things and WDW will start to become DL.

      Jury is still out for me as to whether I think this is a good idea.

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      • #4
        Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

        With the housing market as bad as it is at the moment, I don't see why Disney would so this at this time.

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        • #5
          Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

          The housing market for the super rich is always there. It rarely sees declines like the "common" market. As mentioned in the article, foreign investors are buying up tons of this real estate in the US right now because the US dollar keeps getting weaker.

          Developments like this make me angry. Walt worked so hard to obtain all that land in Florida to keep the outside world out. Lately, it seems like the Walt Disney Company is doing everything they can to bring the outside world in. The de-annexing of Celebration was understandable because that land was so separated from the rest of the resort. But, this new piece of property is located right next to Fort Wilderness and the Magic Kingdom area. Why they aren't developing it for themselves is beyond me.
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            Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

            Originally posted by halltd View Post
            The housing market for the super rich is always there. It rarely sees declines like the "common" market. As mentioned in the article, foreign investors are buying up tons of this real estate in the US right now because the US dollar keeps getting weaker.

            Developments like this make me angry. Walt worked so hard to obtain all that land in Florida to keep the outside world out. Lately, it seems like the Walt Disney Company is doing everything they can to bring the outside world in. The de-annexing of Celebration was understandable because that land was so separated from the rest of the resort. But, this new piece of property is located right next to Fort Wilderness and the Magic Kingdom area. Why they aren't developing it for themselves is beyond me.
            We might not understand all of the business reasons. For instance, what if this development is preventing them from scaling back on all of their long term plans, and making drastic cuts!
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            • #7
              Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

              Didn't Disney just see record profits for both theme park and resort hotels in 2007? Plus, DVC seems to be making money hand over fist these days. I just don't see anything that even hints at hardship, much less "doom and gloom."

              I'm all for development as that's partially what I do for a living. But, it bothers me when they sell of land which was originally a very sacred object to the "Florida Project."
              -Tim

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              • #8
                Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

                Originally posted by halltd View Post
                The housing market for the super rich is always there. It rarely sees declines like the "common" market. As mentioned in the article, foreign investors are buying up tons of this real estate in the US right now because the US dollar keeps getting weaker.

                Developments like this make me angry. Walt worked so hard to obtain all that land in Florida to keep the outside world out. Lately, it seems like the Walt Disney Company is doing everything they can to bring the outside world in. The de-annexing of Celebration was understandable because that land was so separated from the rest of the resort. But, this new piece of property is located right next to Fort Wilderness and the Magic Kingdom area. Why they aren't developing it for themselves is beyond me.
                Agreed. Disney will also never have people, except those they specifically chose, live within the Reedy Creek Improvement District because then those people can vote, possibly against Disney's wishes.

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                • #9
                  Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

                  They built a beautiful apartment complex, said it was going to be for employees and then they priced their employees right out of the ball park. Celebration is the Disney version of Steppford.....very expensive, zero plot lines, you can hand your neighbor sugar right from your kitchen to theirs without ever leaving the house.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Another Celebration-like Community?

                    Originally posted by Lindsy1052 View Post
                    They built a beautiful apartment complex, said it was going to be for employees and then they priced their employees right out of the ball park. Celebration is the Disney version of Steppford.....very expensive, zero plot lines, you can hand your neighbor sugar right from your kitchen to theirs without ever leaving the house.

                    See that for one would be a huge turn off for the targeted audience, those who can afford the houses also enjoy their privacy...

                    Also since when has the ultra rich been a targeted audience for WDW? Disney has traditionally targeted the middle class, although with the decline in quality of merchandise over the years and introduction of the "value" resorts it's hard to see them aiming higher... There are some wonderful suites in concierges levels of the deluxe resorts but if they want to pull the whales away from Vegas they will need to do a lot more than just the night kingdom project to attract them, get them to drop a few mil on a vacation property and keep them there.

                    My guess is this is probably going to become an underground "Luxury DVC club" of some sort, high end vacation homes with high end rental price tags. I'd expect a few holding companies to buy out blocks of houses and just rent them out or sell time shares, which will probably turn off the targeted audience even more. ...
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                    • #11
                      Private Homes to Invade WDW Property

                      If you have millions, a home near Disney could be yours

                      Scott Powers
                      Sentinel Staff Writer
                      March 28, 2008


                      Three-story mansions and hundreds of other homes -- most valued at millions of dollars apiece -- would be built along the banks of Walt Disney World canals and sold to private individuals in a project under review by Orange County.

                      The homes, mostly single-family residences but including a few condominiums and time-share units, would rise from what was Disney's Eagle Pines Golf Course -- just a jog away from the Magic Kingdom, Epcot and Downtown Disney. The adjacent Osprey Ridge Golf Course would be incorporated into the private development, now called the "Northeast Resort."

                      Disney insists it is still too early in the planning process to discuss many details. With the country mired in a housing slump, one local expert said luxury homes in the gated community would most likely be marketed to and snapped up by wealthy foreign buyers.

                      Disney World first announced its intentions in March 2007 to build a luxury housing resort on 429 acres in the northeast corner of the giant resort, but few details have been reported. A year ago, more attention was focused on related plans to build an anchor for the resort -- a Four Seasons luxury hotel -- which would go up on another section of the former Eagle Pines Golf Course.

                      Rezoning plans now circulating in Orange County government's planning division remain limited in detail but suggest a neighborhood like no other: a gated community of estate homes, village homes, courtyard homes, cluster-villa homes and condominiums closer than most of Disney's hotels to the world's most popular theme parks. Disney is asking Orange County to rezone the property as a planned development, with areas defined for single-family homes, multifamily homes, time-share units and conservation easements.

                      Altogether, the project could encompass as many as 373 single-family homes, 200 multifamily homes and 60 time-share units, though the final tallies are expected to be lower.


                      Earlier forays

                      Disney World has spun off land for residential development before -- notably the communities of Celebration and Little Lake Bryan -- but the Northeast Resort would be far more luxurious, said Marilyn Waters, spokeswoman for Walt Disney Imagineering, the Disney office that handles real-estate development. She compared the Northeast Resort concept to the Four Seasons-anchored Aviara community in San Diego, a high-end vacation community for people rich enough to have multimillion-dollar second or third homes.

                      "This is in essence the coming together of the Disney brand and the Four Seasons brand. This is the first time that has happened," Waters said. "These are often the types of places people come in for two or three weeks, then they won't be back for several months."

                      William Weaver, a real-estate professor at the University of Central Florida, predicted Disney would market such homes heavily overseas. Disney's reputation for attention to detail, he said, along with the project's unique location, should make even mansions easy to sell, regardless of market conditions.

                      "I can't see many Americans buying multimillion-dollar second houses on Disney property, not very many. But I certainly can see foreigners," Weaver said. "As the dollar keeps deteriorating against everything else, it becomes cheaper and cheaper."

                      The area would be developed much as Disney developed Little Lake Bryan, Celebration and a couple of smaller projects. Disney would have the property de-annexed from both the Reedy Creek Improvement District -- the independent government district created in 1967 to provide countylike services to Disney World -- and from Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake, the two cities created back then to provide city services to most of Disney World.

                      Orange County would then provide such services, including utilities, fire protection and sheriff's patrols.

                      Although the area is still within Reedy Creek's jurisdiction for now, Disney is seeking advance approval from Orange County officials with a de-annexation in mind. The project is now headed for public hearings before the county Planning and Zoning Commission and the Board of County Commissioners.


                      Getting to work

                      Earlier this month, Disney World contractors began preparing the site, installing construction fences and doing some light earthmoving on land north of Vista Boulevard and west of Winter Garden-Vineland Road. That work should take most of the rest of the year, Waters said, but actual home construction could start before the year is out.

                      The vast majority of the homes would be built to order, and the entire community could take up to 10 years to build, though planners don't expect it to take that long.

                      The county has recommended a few changes in the plans, yet there appear to be no major concerns, Orange County Planning Administrator John Smogor said.

                      Built out to the maximum, the area could house an estimated 1,702 people. The county has to review the plans under the assumption that, except for the time-share units, the homes would serve as the owners' primary residences, Smogor said, meaning a year-round impact on roads and services.

                      But "if they sell these homes to rich people in Japan, the Philippines, Chicago or New York, and they want to come down here and just have a big house a few weeks a year at Disney, that's fine," he said.


                      Scott Powers can be reached at spowers@orlandosentinel.com

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                      • #12
                        Re: Private Homes to Invade WDW Property

                        NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!




                        *but, only cause I'll NEVER afford one.



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                        • #13
                          Re: Another Celebration-like Community? (Merged)

                          Sorry didn't see this was already posted.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Another Celebration-like Community? (Merged)

                            Here is some more information...
                            http://officialrecords.occompt.com/w...0&doc_status=S

                            Notice the map on page 2.
                            This parcel of land (in actuality, it is 3 parcels) to be de-annexed will take up the entire Eagle Pines Golf Course which is about 370 acres in size.

                            I believe that there are also provisions to construct (or make the current one vessel accessible) a canal to provide water transport to the Magic Kingdom. That's gonna be some boat ride...
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                            Originally posted by Phonedave
                            Well, if your parents can't teach you, maybe you can learn from a taser.

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