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  • #42
    ToT is better at building the suspense and making it a scary ride.

    Guardians is better at making it lighthearted and fun. The music in the Guardians one and the different soundtracks and sequences make it a more repeatable, IMO.

    It's splitting hairs, but I would say Guardians barely beats out ToT in my book.

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    • #43
      Tower of Terror. Just Tower of Terror.

      Guardians: MB is just ugly, trendy, and soon to be lost in time. Won't age well, it's a Universal Studios type themed overlay...that won't last long. The novelty will wear off soon due to the story and theme not well executed. The ride system is still called DCA Tower of Terror in the boiler room for a reason due to the ride patent.

      One day, Tower of Terror will return with have enhanced randomized drops and updated 5th Dimensional Scene if Disney remakes the whole building.


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      • #44
        Originally posted by EdwardGrimm View Post

        He made bad jokes, Disney knew about them earlier, he had apologized, and he was punished a second time, took it like a chance, and given another chance. Roseanne had been warned, and then compared black people to apes, and sponsors had pulled out. One if looking at the sins of the past and a different time, one is someone who has been warned making a pretty dumb comment yesterday. Apples and oranges.
        He made “bad jokes”? Do you even know what these “bad jokes” were about? Here’s a hint: it starts with a “P”. The Walt Disney Company primarily focuses on children for nearly everything they do, so “jokes” about the “P” word are easily the number one thing someone associated with them CAN’T joke about. He’s lucky that the cast threatened to not be in GOTG 3 or he would have stayed fired.

        I absolutely think James Gunn should be able to joke about what he wants, but there’s consequences to joking about certain things and I’m guessing he never imagined he’d be working for Disney. If he had imagined it I can guarantee he wouldn’t have ever posted what he posted.

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        • #45
          If I were in a high level political or entertainment business job or ever aspired to have one, I would not use social media, I’d just have my publicist do it all.

          And what’s with people that use public profiles?

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          • #46
            Originally posted by Disney Adventure View Post

            He made “bad jokes”? Do you even know what these “bad jokes” were about? Here’s a hint: it starts with a “P”. The Walt Disney Company primarily focuses on children for nearly everything they do, so “jokes” about the “P” word are easily the number one thing someone associated with them CAN’T joke about. He’s lucky that the cast threatened to not be in GOTG 3 or he would have stayed fired.

            I absolutely think James Gunn should be able to joke about what he wants, but there’s consequences to joking about certain things and I’m guessing he never imagined he’d be working for Disney. If he had imagined it I can guarantee he wouldn’t have ever posted what he posted.
            Pedophelia jokes. In the 90's early 2000's. You know, the same type of jokes made by Family, Bo Burnhum, Sarah Silverman, and just about every "shock" comedian. This wasn't some weird random comment that stood out. It was a time when these jokes were very common and James Gunn was trying his hand at them. He failed, as the jokes were'n that good and he quickly realized that wasn't his brand of comedy in terms of tweets and such. His movies have always danced on the edge. Slither, Super, Movie 43, PG Porn, Dawn of the Dead, Tromeo and Juliet.

            And if Disney is scrubbing themselves of comedians who have made jokes that were not appropriate, then why did they re-record audio with Bobcat Goldthwait (Panic), keep Sarah Silverman for Wreck it Ralph 2? If we were to list every Disney writer, actor, director who has made off color jokes that have not aged well, the list would be a mile long. Robin Williams used to show up on set of Mork and Mindy naked and honk the breasts of female cast members. This was known when Disney hired him for Aladdin. Sexual assault is a bit worse than making a bad attempt at comedy.

            People need to learn that celebrities are not the characters they play. We used to know that. Bob Saget could be on Full House whole touring the comedy circuit with some of the bluest comedy I've seen. Nobody cared because we weren't trying to make the world fit into our bubble view.

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            • #47
              Originally posted by EdwardGrimm View Post

              Pedophelia jokes. In the 90's early 2000's. You know, the same type of jokes made by Family, Bo Burnhum, Sarah Silverman, and just about every "shock" comedian. This wasn't some weird random comment that stood out. It was a time when these jokes were very common and James Gunn was trying his hand at them. He failed, as the jokes were'n that good and he quickly realized that wasn't his brand of comedy in terms of tweets and such. His movies have always danced on the edge. Slither, Super, Movie 43, PG Porn, Dawn of the Dead, Tromeo and Juliet.

              And if Disney is scrubbing themselves of comedians who have made jokes that were not appropriate, then why did they re-record audio with Bobcat Goldthwait (Panic), keep Sarah Silverman for Wreck it Ralph 2? If we were to list every Disney writer, actor, director who has made off color jokes that have not aged well, the list would be a mile long. Robin Williams used to show up on set of Mork and Mindy naked and honk the breasts of female cast members. This was known when Disney hired him for Aladdin. Sexual assault is a bit worse than making a bad attempt at comedy.

              People need to learn that celebrities are not the characters they play. We used to know that. Bob Saget could be on Full House whole touring the comedy circuit with some of the bluest comedy I've seen. Nobody cared because we weren't trying to make the world fit into our bubble view.
              The “lots of people at that time were making pedophelia jokes” is a complete non-defense of pedophelia jokes. And none of those people you mentioned ended up working on all-ages material like GOTG in their future either, they continue to make adult material for adults.

              You’re quite right though, lots of celebrities that make inappropriate jokes, do inappropriate things, and engage in inappropriate behavior get away with it with no backlash or consequence to their career. Absolutely.

              And some don’t.

              Why that is depends on what behavior it was, who saw it, the company or corporation involved, the level of outrage, if it becomes public, who benefits from exposing it, and many other factors. James Gunn’s past “joking” caught up with him in a very public way and that’s just the way it’s going to be for some celebrities. Whether that’s fair or not is irrelevant, if someone doesn’t ever want to be judged for making pedophilia jokes, then the best course of action is to not ever make them in a public forum like a Tweet.

              Doing anything really inappropriate as a celebrity is just playing Russian Roulette with your future career, some will never face any kind of consequences (click) and some will...BANG!

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              • #48
                I don't even know what Guardians of the Galaxy is...put me in an elevator based on a building I lived a block from in Hollywood and drop me from 100 or so feet. THAT was fun.

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                • #49
                  Originally posted by Disney Adventure View Post

                  The “lots of people at that time were making pedophelia jokes” is a complete non-defense of pedophelia jokes. And none of those people you mentioned ended up working on all-ages material like GOTG in their future either, they continue to make adult material for adults.

                  You’re quite right though, lots of celebrities that make inappropriate jokes, do inappropriate things, and engage in inappropriate behavior get away with it with no backlash or consequence to their career. Absolutely.

                  And some don’t.

                  Why that is depends on what behavior it was, who saw it, the company or corporation involved, the level of outrage, if it becomes public, who benefits from exposing it, and many other factors. James Gunn’s past “joking” caught up with him in a very public way and that’s just the way it’s going to be for some celebrities. Whether that’s fair or not is irrelevant, if someone doesn’t ever want to be judged for making pedophilia jokes, then the best course of action is to not ever make them in a public forum like a Tweet.

                  Doing anything really inappropriate as a celebrity is just playing Russian Roulette with your future career, some will never face any kind of consequences (click) and some will...BANG!
                  Wreck it Ralph isn't all ages entertainment? Neither was Hercules? Aladdin, Mrs. Doubtfire, Ferngully, Aladdin 3....these weren't aimed at families?

                  As for Gunn's jokes, they had already caught up with him. When Disney first went to hire him for GOTG. This was public knowledge that he had already apologized for and Disney had forgiven him and hired him. Then, after Roseanne, some gotcha journalism ensued and suddenly Disney was punishing him for the same jokes, even though this was all over and done with. And Disney was also not applying the same standard to any other contracted talent. Disney showed themselves and spineless.

                  And yes, the contextual context IS important when examining whether something is deemed appropriate or inappropriate. An actor doing blackface is certainly inappropriate in modern context, but it would be inappropriate to judge Al Jolson's blackface legacy without looking at the surrounding culture. The late 90's/early 2000's was a time when shock humor was rampant. Singling out one entertainer for such humor while refusing to look at it in the context of the time and culture is asinine.

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                  • #50
                    Originally posted by EdwardGrimm View Post

                    Wreck it Ralph isn't all ages entertainment? Neither was Hercules? Aladdin, Mrs. Doubtfire, Ferngully, Aladdin 3....these weren't aimed at families?

                    As for Gunn's jokes, they had already caught up with him. When Disney first went to hire him for GOTG. This was public knowledge that he had already apologized for and Disney had forgiven him and hired him. Then, after Roseanne, some gotcha journalism ensued and suddenly Disney was punishing him for the same jokes, even though this was all over and done with. And Disney was also not applying the same standard to any other contracted talent. Disney showed themselves and spineless.

                    And yes, the contextual context IS important when examining whether something is deemed appropriate or inappropriate. An actor doing blackface is certainly inappropriate in modern context, but it would be inappropriate to judge Al Jolson's blackface legacy without looking at the surrounding culture. The late 90's/early 2000's was a time when shock humor was rampant. Singling out one entertainer for such humor while refusing to look at it in the context of the time and culture is asinine.
                    Nice try James, but you’re NEVER going to make a successful argument for making pedophelia jokes. And “At that time everyone was doing it” is the weakest argument possible. So if you’re going to keep trying to defend this at least come up with something better than what a first grader says when they get caught doing something they shouldn’t have been doing and then say “Other people were too”. Seriously, has that ever worked for you in your life? It’s certainly not working here.

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                    • #51
                      Originally posted by Disney Adventure View Post

                      Nice try James, but you’re NEVER going to make a successful argument for making pedophelia jokes. And “At that time everyone was doing it” is the weakest argument possible. So if you’re going to keep trying to defend this at least come up with something better than what a first grader says when they get caught doing something they shouldn’t have been doing and then say “Other people were too”. Seriously, has that ever worked for you in your life? It’s certainly not working here.
                      I'd get yourself a helmet because the real world is going to be awfully hard for you. Even big Broadway smash hits like Beetlejuice have a ::gasp:: pedophilia joke in them. Context is what matters, especially when looking at the comedy of a different time. It'd be pretty dumb to blindly judge Shakespeare for the comedy is his plays without paying attention to context and climate. Its just as stupid to get mad at James Gunn for making the same jokes that was running rampant with stand up comedians and prime time TV comedies at the time.

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                      • #52
                        Originally posted by EdwardGrimm View Post

                        I'd get yourself a helmet because the real world is going to be awfully hard for you. Even big Broadway smash hits like Beetlejuice have a ::gasp:: pedophilia joke in them. Context is what matters, especially when looking at the comedy of a different time. It'd be pretty dumb to blindly judge Shakespeare for the comedy is his plays without paying attention to context and climate. Its just as stupid to get mad at James Gunn for making the same jokes that was running rampant with stand up comedians and prime time TV comedies at the time.
                        You’re still missing the point. I think James Gunn is hilarious and I’m not mad at him at all, but I wouldn’t want to hire him to make a movie aimed at kids once he’s known WORLDWIDE for making pedo jokes. And Disney wouldn’t have either had the cast threatened to not show up.

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                        • #53
                          Originally posted by Disney Adventure View Post

                          You’re still missing the point. I think James Gunn is hilarious and I’m not mad at him at all, but I wouldn’t want to hire him to make a movie aimed at kids once he’s known WORLDWIDE for making pedo jokes. And Disney wouldn’t have either had the cast threatened to not show up.
                          Yet Disney still utilizes artists who are known worldwide for making pedo jokes and doing blackface...Bob Saget was able to host America's Funniest Home Videos and also do the filthiest stand up around. I think people need to learn to separate artists from their material.

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