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  • Whipland
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    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

    Can't come soon enough for that vile, hate-mongering racist.
    I suppose you think then half of Americans are "vile hate mongering racists" too because they think he is doing an excellent job?

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by laferney Road kid View Post
    election eve and they are already talking about impeachment.....gheez!!!!!!
    Can't come soon enough for that vile, hate-mongering racist.

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  • laferney Road kid
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    election eve and they are already talking about impeachment.....gheez!!!!!!

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  • laferney Road kid
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    repetitive patterns of behavior......I remember that first debate that hot August summer, I had just spent the day working a minimum wage job in the heat, dirt, dust of digging ditches for an irrigation system of a $4 million dollar cabin in the middle of no where Central Oregon... I was sitting on the couch, hydrating my body, trying to stay healthy and boom....that boring debate scheduled for the evening.....wasn't like anything I had viewed in my journalist career...... there wasn't enough red flags in my house or the plumbing truck.....all those debates.......all those dis-enfranchised Americans setting TV ratings for political debates......all those TV viewing Americans...repeating their behavior of watching a man telling it like it is for the Yellow and Green and Blue M&Ms.

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  • laferney Road kid
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    speaking with Putin and Kim....I have yet to speak to any Americans who have been shocked.....the Many Americans factor is like saying that there are many red M&Ms in package of M&Ms

    take a look at this list, created by the intelligence community: King Abdullah, President Saleh, Sulatan al-said, Mbasogo, Gurbanguly....are Americans shocked that we were taking their sides....is the president really that unhinged to take sides with these folks.......in 2011.....yep Americans really just want to be Rock Stars....red M&Ms only in my candy dish.

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  • laferney Road kid
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    Trump has the behavior of a bully....impulsive, irrational, self-destructive, dangerous and cruel..... and not that of person unhinged.... a bully is that physically fighting boy/ girl in high school who demeans by hitting guys in the mid-drift and beauty shaming ugly girls, the football player who is a bully by cutting in line during dorm meals and asking you to leave the table, the customer who refuses to wait in an established line for store entry, like Black Friday or the Goodwill store here in town where we line up properly but a handful of folks bully themselves into the crush....and if none of these behaviors are currently exhibited, then their communication skills as we walk by them in public settings. Bullies are in life every time we go out into public.....and they accomplish their goal by exhibiting behavior that we as a society do not find acceptable. Adultery is unacceptable behavior still in parts of our society,yet it is frequent behavior..does adultery make a bad person? I always thought Bill Clinton was very unhinged as a president and exhibited every behavior above Is a bully a bad person?...because bullies are our grandparents, aunts and uncles, our parents, our spouse

    Bullies are practicing the art of the deal. My cousin is a bully, I chauffeur her around, she enters the 10 or less line, with 25 items, she hides discounted goods in the Goodwill store, travels in the left lane of the freeway and instead of waiting two hours in line to leave Mexico....she will feign an illness to walk past all those folks to the custom border building doors The art of the deal!!! We have a businessman for president, not a politician sucking up to keep his tenure. .

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Is Trump insane? Depends on how you define "insane." The evidence of his behavior, however, leaves no doubt that he is unhinged -- and that he is becoming increasingly irrational.

    A quote from Inside the Mind of Donald Trump:

    Why is President Donald Trump behaving in ways that seem ever more irrational, impulsive, self-destructive, dangerous and cruel? Many Americans have been shocked by Trump’s behavior, most recently by his taking the side of a known enemy in Vladimir Putin and Russia over his own intelligence community.

    It isn’t possible to reliably diagnose any individual from a distance, but it is reasonable to flag clear, observable signs of impairment and to make inferences based on repetitive patterns of behavior. There is a significant difference between diagnosing a specific disorder and analyzing the meaning of the qualities Trump exhibits, such as paranoia, grandiosity, lack of empathy and pathological deceit. Trump’s behavior, we believe, is the predictable outgrowth of this psychological disposition, exacerbated by the stress of the intensifying criminal investigations he faces.

    Our assessment is based on descriptions from those who have worked with him, his own voluminous responses to real situations in real time, and above all by our unique vantage points. One of us is a forensic psychiatrist who has treated more than 1,000 individuals with characteristics similar to Trump’s. The other spent 18 months shadowing, observing and interviewing Trump in order to co-write The Art of the Deal.

    Trump’s increasing grandiosity is evident in the superlatives he uses to refer to himself—“stable genius” among them—and in the way he has consolidated his power by getting rid of aides and Cabinet members who have challenged his authority. Because no person or circumstance can possibly satisfy his needs, nearly everyone in his life eventually becomes expendable, and he becomes more and more isolated.

    Trump’s growing paranoia is reflected in the vitriolic comments he has made about a range of perceived enemies, including Democrats and Republicans, allies in the G-7, the intelligence community, the news media and immigrants. His hunger for absolute power is evident in his bizarrely admiring words about despots, including North Korea’s Kim Jong Un, Russia’s Vladimir Putin, China’s Xi Jinping, Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the Philippines’ Rodrigo Duterte. His frequent lies reveal his need to redefine reality when the truth doesn’t serve his needs.

    Given Trump’s volatility, incuriosity and severely limited attention span, his decisions are not significantly influenced by reflection or analytical reasoning. Because he cannot tolerate even the mildest criticism, he is largely immune to learning and growth. Instead, unable to regulate his emotions, he reacts angrily, and often with threats of revenge, to any challenge to his authority. Even success provides him with only momentary satisfaction.

    Trump’s psychological disposition has profound implications for our personal, national and international security. Unfortunately, Americans remain deeply reluctant to talk openly about mental health or to recognize how profoundly it can influence behavior. Because the president’s level of mental impairment is so unusual to observe, it is difficult for most of us to understand what catastrophic desperation such people can feel to fill their own inner sense of emptiness.

    Trump described to Tony a cold father with whom his relationship was “almost businesslike” and a mother who was mostly uninvolved in his life. Through Bandy’s work interviewing men who were deprived in childhood of the love and support necessary to develop a core self, she concluded that the stable internal center that holds their beliefs, principles, attachments, loyalties—and even their capacity for humanity—never gets well established.

    Instead, most such men become almost completely dependent on others for their sense of self-worth. They become hypersensitive to slights. In the most extreme cases, their envy can prompt them to take sadistic pleasure in tormenting perceived enemies, and those they think are getting more respect than they are. In Trump’s case, his need to demonstrate over and over that he is worthy of admiration overwhelms his capacity to focus on nearly anything else.

    While our elected officials and much of the news media have avoided the topic of Trump’s mental health, it is clear that our adversaries have carefully studied his psychological weaknesses and determined how to use them to their advantage, as we saw during his negotiations with Putin and Kim Jong Un. Ironically, our own intelligence community does just this sort of analysis about foreign leaders.

    Trump’s grip on reality will likely continue to diminish as he faces increasing criticism, accusations, threats of impeachment and potential criminal indictments. We can expect him to become more desperate, more extreme in his comments, more violent in his threats, and more reckless and destructive in his actions. His latest extreme threat to Iran is one example, and he is likely to return to similar threats to North Korea if he feels that Kim Jong Un is making him look weak and unsuccessful....

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  • Meville
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    Originally posted by laferney Road kid View Post
    Thank you for responding. I couldn't respond back in a hurry because our computer room has no air cooling and sits on the corner of the concrete slabs that establish the winter patio on this healthy living desert home. The room temps is at 92 degrees in the morning and by 5:00 is 96 degrees in the computer room, which we close the door to keep the rest of the primitive home cool. We stole this place from a Canadian widow in the middle of January, but because of international bureaucracy on tariffs and taxes and document fees, the house didn't close utnil the first week of March, on a cash sale.

    There was so much work to do and so little cool days. Each window had been second-hand built into the found materials created addition to the park model trailer. By the time we arrived at the computer room remodel, the louver windows didn't create a window hole that we could go purchase a better window, so right now heat is pouring into the cracks of the five panels of glass on the three windows. The windows are summer protected to maximize insulation from the heat, but those tiny cracks and metal hinges, nothing is going to stop that heat leaking thru the cracks.

    Wednesday, the 25th, at 4:30 Washington D.C. time, 1:30 my wife's soap opera, Days of our lives, there was a break in the broadcast of all four US TV stations. Trump, with the EU leader came out onto the White House Rose Garden and made an announcement the $5 billion taxes for farmers was not longer going to be necessary because the EU was going to buy the soy beans, that along with Canada and the United States the EU were going to address the world hunger problem by purchasing the soy beans and then shipping them to 3rd world countries as opposed to Canada and the US taking all the responsibility of feeding the world. In addition, other tariffs were going to be addressed.

    This was done by the "art of the deal" that which made Trump the powerful rich person he was before becoming a president. Trump is not a politician afraid of keeping his job, but a business man who knows how to work out the deals. Save some soy beans for North Korea, and then wait for China to come knocking for more soy beans.... sorry, the beans are gone, there gone, gone, gone....want some.....gonna cost you more....much more...the art of the deal

    The two links that you posted...the journalist, because they are on TV, think they know everything about running the world...they are just talking heads waiting for the next story....never exploring or explaining the tariff process. Why, on Wednesday night, the TV press didn't even address the soy beans on the news, instead, they spent more time on the $150,000 spent to cover up adultery and Putin then addressing the world vs the US economic crisis, .....to be fair...this Thursday morning, they spent some time with an adviser about the positive results of selling.....soy beans!!

    7:30.....and already the computer room is 91 degrees!!!!
    Look, offline I'm sure that you a a great person and If I lived closer I would gladly share a few cold beers with you (my treat), but I can't argue anymore about this.

    I sincerely hope all the best for you and perhaps a bit of a reprieve from the heat.

    Take care.

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  • laferney Road kid
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    Thank you for responding. I couldn't respond back in a hurry because our computer room has no air cooling and sits on the corner of the concrete slabs that establish the winter patio on this healthy living desert home. The room temps is at 92 degrees in the morning and by 5:00 is 96 degrees in the computer room, which we close the door to keep the rest of the primitive home cool. We stole this place from a Canadian widow in the middle of January, but because of international bureaucracy on tariffs and taxes and document fees, the house didn't close utnil the first week of March, on a cash sale.

    There was so much work to do and so little cool days. Each window had been second-hand built into the found materials created addition to the park model trailer. By the time we arrived at the computer room remodel, the louver windows didn't create a window hole that we could go purchase a better window, so right now heat is pouring into the cracks of the five panels of glass on the three windows. The windows are summer protected to maximize insulation from the heat, but those tiny cracks and metal hinges, nothing is going to stop that heat leaking thru the cracks.

    Wednesday, the 25th, at 4:30 Washington D.C. time, 1:30 my wife's soap opera, Days of our lives, there was a break in the broadcast of all four US TV stations. Trump, with the EU leader came out onto the White House Rose Garden and made an announcement the $5 billion taxes for farmers was not longer going to be necessary because the EU was going to buy the soy beans, that along with Canada and the United States the EU were going to address the world hunger problem by purchasing the soy beans and then shipping them to 3rd world countries as opposed to Canada and the US taking all the responsibility of feeding the world. In addition, other tariffs were going to be addressed.

    This was done by the "art of the deal" that which made Trump the powerful rich person he was before becoming a president. Trump is not a politician afraid of keeping his job, but a business man who knows how to work out the deals. Save some soy beans for North Korea, and then wait for China to come knocking for more soy beans.... sorry, the beans are gone, there gone, gone, gone....want some.....gonna cost you more....much more...the art of the deal

    The two links that you posted...the journalist, because they are on TV, think they know everything about running the world...they are just talking heads waiting for the next story....never exploring or explaining the tariff process. Why, on Wednesday night, the TV press didn't even address the soy beans on the news, instead, they spent more time on the $150,000 spent to cover up adultery and Putin then addressing the world vs the US economic crisis, .....to be fair...this Thursday morning, they spent some time with an adviser about the positive results of selling.....soy beans!!

    7:30.....and already the computer room is 91 degrees!!!!

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  • Meville
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    I'll just leave this here:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/24/trum...sequences.html

    12 Billion dollars of tax payer money used to bail out an industry that was directly affected by tariffs that 45 imposed.

    BILLION.

    Also:

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    Over 21 Trillion in debt and rising every minute; how can you support that?



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  • laferney Road kid
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    .....oh wait......MAGA just saved 5 billion dollars in taxpayer money and sending a healthy alternative to the EU, that they in turn can ship to hungry people world wide.......but more time spent by the Talking Heads on tapeworms and screwtape letters.......evidence that liberal talking heads are trying to control the thought process of voters , rather than voters making their own choices about which adulterers they want in the White House.....where is Detective Frank Thorn when we need him!!!!

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  • laferney Road kid
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    Originally posted by Whipland View Post
    I approve of his MAGA theme and it seems to be working. Another supreme court pick and hopefully full implementation of a better immigration policy and we are half way to MAGA already.
    Soy Beans !!!!!!!!!!

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  • laferney Road kid
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    Originally posted by Meville View Post

    I honestly do not understand this point of view. Some people are so blinded by the nostalgia of a dead era that they can't see all the terrible things happening around them.

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    Sol Roth said.......Soy Beans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • laferney Road kid
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    thank you good questions.

    The texas borders are not closed, it is a river in a dense canopy of brush that allows negligent mothers to drag their children without fear of dehydration. The building of the wall in texas will prevent the massive flow of drugs into the US and the problem of addiction can be address, but if we don't stop the flow, then pouring money into addiciton drains the US $ infrastructure that could be used elsewhere, for example, into education in the southern state to bring that part of the naiton out of poverty and MAGA. What you see on the news about the children is more of a Texas problem then here at the Colorado river borders. Yes, children are separated here in Yuma, for decades that has been the system, but the massive flow in texas has broght to light the nationwide border problem. By preventing illegal crossings, we support the concept, that yes, you can enter, but there is a system to enter.

    Canada is an example of having a system in place that punishes folks....Canadian citizens. Canadians, under Canada law, are only allowed to stay in Yuma for 6 months....regardless if the winter heat helps arthritis, bone degeneration, Parkinson, depression, paralysis ...... Canadians arrive here hurting, they lose their pain , have time off to heal, then head back at the end of march.....back to their illness again in the cold. Why would Canada punish sick citizens....because Canada has system to protect its economic infrastructure

    In order to MAGA, the borders need to be controlled to regulate an influx of folks who over burden the system. Here on the Colorado River, the law enforcement budget is mind boggling. I can drive down the free way and every mile I will see a state patrol or a county patrol or a border patrol....this is just staggering compared to Oregon freeway where I can drive for hours before I see a sitting patrol vehicle....yes...all those desert vehicles....they are sitting, not moving.

    EU relations.....what is happening there is that the Reds are fed up paying the NATO bill and the war....those are children of Reds that are dying overseas. Also, what we see on liberal news is melt down of moral structure in EU. Also, the EU failure to recognize Israel....for the Reds, Jerusalem was more important than Roe vs Wade, which the Reds have pretty much agreed that the new justice will take no interest.

    MAGA is great again because Israel is great again.....that platform will have the re-election of Trump.

    45 blame game.....yes, that is a characteristic....he has done that all his life....his book....the game.....the TV show....The debates in the summer saw him as bully....someone else is responsible for the current failure. Reds love to put blame on someone else for failure. For example, I am living month to month on basic retirement, hence the poverty of living in Yuma. My family had a reunion two hours from where I live, they would not loan me the money to buy a tank of gas......blaming me for my own poverty....rather than acting in a liberal fashion and seeing that I am family, a once in a life time reunion, surely my siblings could have pitched in 10.00 each for gas....but their Redness fully put the blame on me and the poverty consequences on me. 45 and reds no longer see the EU as family but as self indulgent children who long forgotten the price paid by REDS for their freedom.

    As for Canada....don't know what to tell you.....I guess when Canadian leaders allow its citizen to hear Emma Lazarus on October first, the conservative, hard working blue collar Canadians will tell me, poor Canadians come to Yuma, rich Canadians go to Phoenix proper. MAGA when Canadians arrive here, they are 50% of the volunteer fund raising work force to help poor American senior citizens
    Last edited by laferney Road kid; 07-17-2018, 11:34 AM.

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  • Meville
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    Originally posted by laferney Road kid View Post

    never understood the point of view.....untill I am knee high now in the border mess....imagine watching every morning the news and the first 5 mins is about the cache of meth, the cache of heron, the cache of weed....found in vehicles trying to cross the border......then at interstate freeway border checks, in the US proper, not near any border, they are finding van loads of children and women who have crossed the desert.....and on their way to slavery. Never paid attention in Oregon.....because it didn't concern my 50 mile radius In Salem. it was on never on the news. There is no concept.....unless it crosses your backyard......I have no idea what the wolf and cougar problem in Oregon is now.....but a cougar checking out breakfast specials at the elementary school in Oregon, always made breaking news.....but nothing about children driven to slavery.

    MAGA is all these tiny backyard problems seen by conservatives and joining hands together for a nation wide solution....created by..... liberals who have no clue about raising cattle or US citizens spending their days off hauling water bottles to the border for crossing folks to drink, oh wait, folks is defined as young children. How many of those folks protesting are foster parents to children...or taken a 3 day weekend to haul water in the 100 degree weather to misguided crossings.
    Sorry, but this makes no sense at all; not your ideology, but your actual post: it makes no sense.

    I won't disagree that there is a boarder issue, but it's not just the fault of conservatives or liberals; the problem is systemic and has been that way for years. The difference is that 45 LOVES to play the blame game and you red hats eat it up like candy without even looking at the facts outside your right wing 'news' station.

    So please tell me, if this has been an issue since they closed the boarders, how can you possibly make america great again?

    And outside of that please explain how his involvement with Russia will ever help MAGA while simultaneously eroding relations with the EU and Canada.

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  • laferney Road kid
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    Originally posted by Meville View Post

    I honestly do not understand this point of view. Some people are so blinded by the nostalgia of a dead era that they can't see all the terrible things happening around them.

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    never understood the point of view.....untill I am knee high now in the border mess....imagine watching every morning the news and the first 5 mins is about the cache of meth, the cache of heron, the cache of weed....found in vehicles trying to cross the border......then at interstate freeway border checks, in the US proper, not near any border, they are finding van loads of children and women who have crossed the desert.....and on their way to slavery. Never paid attention in Oregon.....because it didn't concern my 50 mile radius In Salem. it was on never on the news. There is no concept.....unless it crosses your backyard......I have no idea what the wolf and cougar problem in Oregon is now.....but a cougar checking out breakfast specials at the elementary school in Oregon, always made breaking news.....but nothing about children driven to slavery.

    MAGA is all these tiny backyard problems seen by conservatives and joining hands together for a nation wide solution....created by..... liberals who have no clue about raising cattle or US citizens spending their days off hauling water bottles to the border for crossing folks to drink, oh wait, folks is defined as young children. How many of those folks protesting are foster parents to children...or taken a 3 day weekend to haul water in the 100 degree weather to misguided crossings.

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  • Meville
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    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

    For an explanation, use the MiceChat search engine to read Whipland's previous posts about the ills of our society -- particularly his comments (many Litterboxed) about gangs, people of lower economic means, and people of color.

    Then check out the following articles. They describe his viewpoint to a T.


    What Old, White Conservatives Miss About America

    Opposition to immigration

    What Do Conservatives Want When They Say "I Want My Country Back?"

    Taking Our Country Back: From Whom?

    Conservatives’ Anti-Immigration Fervor Is Political: They Think Keeping the US White Will Save Them

    The Hollowness of Trump's Promise to 'Make America Great Again

    Trump supporters and the empathy gap

    Thank you for the articles. I try to be open minded to every opinion, but I just do not understand the mind of a Trump supporter.

    And that goes for the Canadian ones too.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by Meville View Post
    I honestly do not understand this point of view. Some people are so blinded by the nostalgia of a dead era that they can't see all the terrible things happening around them.
    For an explanation, use the MiceChat search engine to read Whipland's previous posts about the ills of our society -- particularly his comments (many Litterboxed) about gangs, people of lower economic means, and people of color.

    Then check out the following articles. They describe his viewpoint to a T.


    What Old, White Conservatives Miss About America

    Opposition to immigration

    What Do Conservatives Want When They Say "I Want My Country Back?"

    Taking Our Country Back: From Whom?

    Conservatives’ Anti-Immigration Fervor Is Political: They Think Keeping the US White Will Save Them

    The Hollowness of Trump's Promise to 'Make America Great Again

    Trump supporters and the empathy gap


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  • Meville
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    Originally posted by Whipland View Post
    I approve of his MAGA theme and it seems to be working. Another supreme court pick and hopefully full implementation of a better immigration policy and we are half way to MAGA already.
    I honestly do not understand this point of view. Some people are so blinded by the nostalgia of a dead era that they can't see all the terrible things happening around them.

    -

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  • Cthulhu's Wife
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    I am in AZ too, and I cannot believe Arpaio was freaking let off the hook. That guys has done so many horrible things, especially to women. Just want to make a few points for people to consider:
    ~If this country REALLY wanted to fix illegal aliens, we would make a building with kiosks on the border that scan fingerprints, take photos, and create SSN for anyone who wants to get in. Building a wall is pointless, and even government officials in Mexico laugh at it, since the majority of people who come here go by air or sea anyway.
    ~A repeal of Obamacare, as much as I dislike most of it, would hurt so many...it would let insurance once again deny pre-existing conditions, which is one of the most important things it did. My daughter had cancer a few years ago, and we know that most of the kids in the Children's Hospital would have just died without it, so we need to CHANGE it, not eradicate it.
    ~Gun Control only hurts the law abiding citizens, as the criminals don't care about laws. Other than making the system we have actual function correctly, it wouldn't help any of us.
    ~The President is a horrible person who had a bad reputation before this, and his horrible attitude makes hate and violence be more acceptable to much of the populace. This does NOT reflect good on us as a country, so it absolutely matters.
    ~Until we fix our entire, antiquated system, including not allowing government officials to be rich off of donation and becoming puppets of the wealthy, none of our complaints matter much. All sides are corrupt and filled with liars who no longer represent the people.

    Sorry, I am very sad about the state of our country, and I pray that we remember that WE hold the power to make change. I love humans and we are all flawed, but we also need to recognize those that fill our ears with hate and division in order to keep us fighting each other...that is how the people are controlled.

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