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  • #41
    Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

    Originally posted by Gunny View Post
    Man I read that thing like three times and have very little idea as to what it is saying.
    I read legal stuff for a living, so it was SLIGHTLY less confusing to me, but these things are always like Greek. My post #6 gives a good synopsis, I think.

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    • #42
      Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

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      • #43
        Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

        Originally posted by Disneyland Daddy View Post
        I don't think it's hate mail...I think she's just saying that this is something that should not be for schools to present to our children. The person that started this is a fine person.

        I really don't think this is hate mail.

        I think it qualifies as hate mail because it is ignorant and inflammatory. It takes the bill completely out of context and portrays it as something it is not. This is like sending out an email about the first ammendment saying it was passed by people who want to burn flags and show porn to children.

        I am really disturbed by the content of the email and the mindset of someone who would write such a thing is not right. No teaching sexuality has no place in the school, but something like this has an agenda of teaching hate and intolerance. Why should we teach our children to even CARE about other kids Mommy and Daddies?

        It makes me sad that this kind of hate still exists and is being passed down to our children,
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        • #44
          Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

          Homeschooling is shakey ground... too shakey. That's why I don't like it at all. It can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on the parent. For example, my cousin -- pulled out of school by his crazy mother, wound up at lower than a kindergarten reading level when he reached 6th grade. There's also a large chance for a homeschooled child having a culture shock of reality when they're ready for college when they're not given the proper basis of reality. Not everybody's like this... but it's far from a perfect system and doesn't protect a child from anything.

          Same goes for private schools. Cousins of mine go to a rather strict private school. If they were to be in that school until graduation, they wouldn't be able to get through any colleges. It only prepares them for missionary work and nothing else. I already see the oldest one socially and mentally underdeveloped because of such a sheltered life. And what does it protect her from? Nothing. Private schools are where two types of individuals are sent: overly sheltered and overly bad kids that parents send to hope they get better. So, what happens is that the overly sheltered eventually can't take it much longer and the bad kids are easy influence. Thus, no protection there. And the censored classes? Oy... if God made the body and everything he made is good, then why must they censor absolutely everything in the health books?!

          And then there's public schools... the best at providing a realistic outlook of life. However, teaching quality, just like in other types of schooling, are very flakey. The worst neighborhoods usually get the worst teachers. Therefore, you must make sure you live in the right neighborhood to be able to get a good education. Or hope you win a chance to get bussed to a better school. Sad when a child's future comes at the luck of a draw.

          What's the best system? A system that doesn't emphasize testing. Testing does only one of two things: proves you can regurgitate information or proves how little you can remember under pressure. A system that will test through experience is much preferable. On top of that, a system that will work one-on-one with students to help in an apprenticelike manner towards a career goal. And do all of that while providing the groups that a public school has. And as little censoring of materials as possible. Of course, no system provides all of this...
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          • #45
            Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

            Originally posted by Crazy Legs View Post
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            • #46
              Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

              Originally posted by dramaqueen View Post
              I think it qualifies as hate mail because it is ignorant and inflammatory. It takes the bill completely out of context and portrays it as something it is not. This is like sending out an email about the first ammendment saying it was passed by people who want to burn flags and show porn to children.

              I am really disturbed by the content of the email and the mindset of someone who would write such a thing is not right. No teaching sexuality has no place in the school, but something like this has an agenda of teaching hate and intolerance. Why should we teach our children to even CARE about other kids Mommy and Daddies?

              It makes me sad that this kind of hate still exists and is being passed down to our children,
              Ok.

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              • #47
                Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                :ot:

                If anyone thinks homeschooling or private schools lead to not being socialized- you are woefully ignorant of what really happens in those institutions- and should not make judgements on something you don't know about.

                I have no opinion on the OP- yet- but I also find the way people throw the word "hate" around to be really irritating. You use that word, which is designed purely to put anyone who agrees with the email (or who disagrees with some of your views) on the defensive. It's overused and extremely judgemental. Tolerance - pot meet kettle.
                Last edited by Nephythys; 09-12-2006, 04:28 PM.

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                • #48
                  Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                  Originally posted by Nephythys View Post
                  :ot:

                  If anyone thinks homeschooling or private schools lead to not being socialized- you are woefully ignorant of what really happens in those institutions- and should not make judgements on something you don't know about.

                  I have no opinion on the OP- yet- but I also find the way people throw the word "hate" around to be really irritating. You use that word, which is designed purely to put anyone who agrees with the email (or who disagrees with some of your views) on the defensive. It's overused and extremely judgemental. Tolerance - pot meet kettle.
                  Were you homeschooled or go to Private School Nephy?
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                  • #49
                    Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                    Originally posted by OogieBoogie View Post
                    Were you homeschooled or go to Private School Nephy?

                    Heh- me and homeschooling did not jive- but that was me. Plus is was ages ago, when the movement was young.

                    My brother was homeschooled his whole life-is very well socialized and did very well.

                    I did attend private school for a while, yes, but asked to go to public school.

                    I would love to send my kids to private schools, or at least get them into charter schools.

                    My point is that there are alot of myths about alternative school options- and people need to educate themselves and not make generalizations. If it isn't for you- fine- but do not denigrate something enmasse without realizing you may be wrong.

                    :ot: Sorry to derail-

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                    • #50
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                      Originally posted by Disneyland Daddy View Post
                      WOW.
                      Well, my sister-in-law and her brother were homeschooled and both have bachelor degrees and she's got her masters. She is a registered nurse in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit at Loma Linda. Her brother? An engineer. I went to public school and got bored with it and didn't excell. I got TOO social.

                      I don't think homeschooling stunts one's growth socially........because I knew many who's social ways were stunted and DID go to public schools.
                      exactly, my nephews were home schooled, there doctors and lawyers! and very cool men,. and my kid goes to a private school, she is well socialized, and totally cool, in fact many here met her.

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                      • #51
                        Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                        Private schools are where two types of individuals are sent: overly sheltered and overly bad kids that parents send to hope they get better. So, what happens is that the overly sheltered eventually can't take it much longer and the bad kids are easy influence.
                        wow, then I got some bad *** kid, or one overly sheltered. give me a break, some of acually send out kids to these schools to excel. yeah excel. my kids doing 9th grade work this week, . ( she is 13) She is extremly happy she is doing better in this school then she did in public school. and in 2 weeks she has been bringing me home notes from the teacher that she is doing awsome.
                        she is not overly sheltered, believe me. and she is not a problem child. end of rant.

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                        • #52
                          Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                          Originally posted by Disneyland Daddy View Post
                          I don't remember talking about sexuality in elementary school to begin with. Why are they even talking about it from a hetero or homosexual perspective anyway, UNLESS it has been OK'd by the parent!

                          This is PERSONAL stuff - that should come from the HOME NOT THE SCHOOLING SYSTEM.

                          I went to elementary school in Anaheim....and a girl and her older brother had a Mom who was a lesbian and lived with another woman. We all knew this, but it wasn't something the teachers discussed. It wasn't the teacher business. What was going on in the girls and boys home was their business.

                          Strangely enough, the girl lived in the house my Dad lived in from 1955 to 1962.

                          Anyway, my opinion is this is not something the schools should be discussing from any perspective.
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                          • #53
                            Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                            Originally posted by Hyperbole View Post
                            If you actually read the text of the bill, it has nothing to do with teaching about homosexuality or any other kind of sexuality. It's about changing the terminology in books to be more inclusive to non-traditional households, that means single parent households, children who are raised by their grandparents, foster families, and yes, homosexual households.

                            People with an anti-homosexual agenda are trying to turn this into a homosexual issue. It's not.
                            I see what you mean now. I read the bill after I read this post. Thanks for the heads up on what the bill really did say Hyperbole .

                            Sorry about jumping to conclusions y'all.

                            But I think we can all agree that if the school did teach anything about sexuality of anysort, they should get permission from the parents.
                            Last edited by Disney Wrassler; 09-12-2006, 05:04 PM.

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                            • #54
                              Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                              Originally posted by OogieBoogie View Post
                              Agreed... Crazy Legs is one of the nicest, sweetest people on here. I highly doubt she in any way meant for this to be inflamitory twords anyone.

                              She definatly is one of the nicest people for sure. Plus I knew she didn't write it because that's just now how she is. CL, I wish I got to chat with you more at DL. Thanks for showing up thouigh. There will be a next time we can meet again I hope.

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                              • #55
                                Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                                Originally posted by Nephythys View Post
                                :ot:

                                If anyone thinks homeschooling or private schools lead to not being socialized- you are woefully ignorant of what really happens in those institutions- and should not make judgements on something you don't know about.

                                I have no opinion on the OP- yet- but I also find the way people throw the word "hate" around to be really irritating. You use that word, which is designed purely to put anyone who agrees with the email (or who disagrees with some of your views) on the defensive. It's overused and extremely judgemental. Tolerance - pot meet kettle.
                                I 100% agree.

                                like the saying goes "Judge Lest Ye Be Judged"

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                                • #56
                                  Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                                  Can I ask a slightly different question about this legislation?

                                  Why is this even an issue? Not in the way you think.

                                  Why is our legislature spending time on bills like this? After all, our budget is completely balanced, we have no long term debt, our roads are all in perfect shape, schools are top notch across the board, our economy is booming, everyone can find a great paying job, and Homeland Security--wow, we've never been safer. We've even solved the problems of immigration from Mexico and itinerant farm workers.

                                  Of all the things our government leaders should be working on, this shouldn't be in the top 100 concerns. We have far more important needs that ought to be solved first before we get to this stuff.

                                  (I realize this makes me sound like a raging Lewis Black clone, but I just can't give up that rageahol.)

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                                  • #57
                                    Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad



                                    OK....somebody needs to help me out here. I've heard at least four or five talk radio shows describing how this bill got shot down over the Summer.

                                    Or DID I? Did I imagine the whole thing?

                                    This bill DIED in legislation....didn't it? :blink: The text book thing got shot down and the only thing that made it to the governor was the bit about keeping hostile rhetoric out of the text books. Right?

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                                    Right?


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                                    • #58
                                      Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                                      I have a problem with all of the textbooks being rewritten- it would be easy enough to incorperate samples into classwork without the textbook being rewritten.
                                      Other than that- yeah, I could handle a couple samples of same sex parenting being thrown in the cerriculum.
                                      Just not at the school's expense

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                                      • #59
                                        Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                                        Stuff like this has a long life-span, certainly much longer than the actual life of the bill. It's easy to rile people up over anything involving the gay community.

                                        If you say what the bill is really about, people won't be nearly as afraid nor as compliant about protesting it. If you say the schools will be teaching children only about homosexuality, people will be riled up. Angry. Protesting. If you talk sense, people won't care much.

                                        People mostly are sheep. Takes a bit to get them going and most people aren't going to research it themselves.
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                                        • #60
                                          Re: California bill on highlight homosexuals and eliminate all references to mom and dad

                                          Emails like these are always fun.

                                          Speaking of homosexuals in history, is Harvey Milk covered in schools these days? I know I never learned about him and learned about him through the Dead Kennedys song I Fought the Law (And I Won)

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