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    Funerals for Amish Girls

    Honest to God I feel like I am just going to cry- often, over this.

    All roads leading into the village of Nickel Mines, the site of the shooting, were blocked off so the Amish could gather quietly in three homes for funerals of Naomi Rose Ebersole, 7; Marian Fisher, 13; Mary Liz Miller, 8; and her sister Lena Miller, 7. The funeral for a fifth girl, Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12, is scheduled for Friday
    Sisters? Oh that poor family Such little girls......

    The country coroner, G. Gary Kirchner, said he was contacted Tuesday by a doctor at Penn State Children's Hospital in Hershey who said doctors were planning to take one victim off life support so that she could be brought home. He said he was told Dr. D. Holmes Morton, who runs a clinic that serves Amish children, would be the clinician in charge.
    Morton said Thursday that published reports that a 6-year-old had been taken off life-support and taken home to die were accurate "as far as I know."
    6 years old That's my Rosie.

    all I can think of is what those poor little girls went through- the fear and the horror and the tears.....I want to go home and wrap my arms around my beautiful daughter and just love her.

    It's unbearable. This is just too much.......

    I have to say though- if you read the article and see the forgiveness these people practice and their attitude towards the widow and children of the maniac who killed these girls....it's downright humbling. I could not do the same.

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    That's why I admire the Amish. They realized that the widow and her children are also victims.

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      It's horrible. I have a 6 year old too and I never want to imagine losing her. I look at cases like this and I see all the autrocities going on in Congo and Darfur and it makes me sad. If you haven't seen what is going on in Congo and other parts of Africa, I highly recommend you tune into Anderson Cooper this week. He was there last night and I think he is broadcasting there tonight as well. CNN is also doing a piece on it this weekend with Sanjay Gupta.(Sp?)
      "He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side; if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion" --John Stuart Mill



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        Originally posted by tbminnie View Post
        It's horrible. I have a 6 year old too and I never want to imagine losing her. I look at cases like this and I see all the autrocities going on in Congo and Darfur and it makes me sad. If you haven't seen what is going on in Congo and other parts of Africa, I highly recommend you tune into Anderson Cooper this week. He was there last night and I think he is broadcasting there tonight as well. CNN is also doing a piece on it this weekend with Sanjay Gupta.(Sp?)
        I think, Oprah might be doing a show on something like that too but I am not sure. I don't know which country she will showcase, but it will be one in bad condition.

        Back to subject, yes, I can't imagine the pain the Amish community must be in.

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        • #5
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          There's a Christian author, Beverly Lewis, who writes (fiction) books about Lancaster County and the Amish families there. She has used some of those names for characters in her books.
          Reading her works has given me a lot of insight into the lives the Amish lead. What a tragedy for such an unassuming people who rely so heavily on one another and their deeply rooted faith!

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            Originally posted by fairygoodmother View Post
            There's a Christian author, Beverly Lewis, who writes (fiction) books about Lancaster County and the Amish families there. She has used some of those names for characters in her books.
            What names?
            "He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side; if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion" --John Stuart Mill



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              I was so offended the other night when my Grandma was watching NBC news the other night. I am not sure who the anchor was but he said before going on story after story about this tragedy...

              "It's such a shame and and very sad that innocent people that shun tehncology and the media have to mourn in front of cameras as the whole nation is watching"

              WHAT?!! If it is so "Sad and such a shame" then get the fricking cameras out of there and leave them the Heck alone!!!

              What a hypocrit!
              Originally posted by aashee
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              • #8
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                I think we all deal with this type of horror in different ways. My way is....I don't look at it. I can't. I've seen the headlines and have seen glimpses of that funeral, but with three kids of my own, I can't allow my mind to go there. It would simply eat me alive. Not sure if that is cowardly or not, but I've got quite enough on my plate already and emotionally, I'm looking for things that will make me smile. Ergo, one of the reasons I try to make a trip to the DLR at least once a week. I would much rather hold on to the image of a little girl running up to Cinderella looking for a hug, and take that with me for the rest of the week. I've prayed for those families, but I can't let my mind dwell there. I just can't.

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                • #9
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                  I've been reading the articles about this story, and I can say I am very impressed with the Amish attitudes expressed. I'm also pleased that they were given the space to hold their funerals privately- air space and roads were blocked off. Media was kept out.

                  Good.

                  Now I read the Amish leaders have set up a fund to help the widow and her children. Wow. That's impressive- that even in the middle of their grief they understand that she is a victim as well, and had nothing to do with her husband's rampage.

                  I am just stunned.

                  As far as how do you deal with it? I obviously have never lost a child, but I have lost a parent and 3 grandparents. I deal with it by remembering that the sun will rise tomorrow and I need to make a choice- will I live my life or will I sit in a corner and cry?

                  I've chosen to move forward. Things need to be done. Just do it.
                  I pledge allegiance to the Earth, one planet, many gods, and to the universe in which she spins.

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                    I have great respect for how the Amish community has come together strongly and silently, without the need for press statements, or anything but mourning an act of violence from an unstable member of their religion.

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                      I respect the Amish peoples sense of calm in light of the hurt and anguish they must be going through. What 'strength' that must take.

                      I don't really know what I would do if I were in their same situation. I guess I would just pray and exercise a lot - when I get hurt deeply, I get an intense feeling of fatigue - and then an adrenaline surge comes over me and I need to 'work it out'. Prayer and exercise.

                      Prayers sent up for those lost and those still here experiencing those lost. I can't even imagine.......

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by tbminnie View Post
                        What names?
                        The last names of the children have been used in her books: Ebersole, Fisher, Miller, Stoltzfus

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                          Originally posted by fairygoodmother View Post
                          The last names of the children have been used in her books: Ebersole, Fisher, Miller, Stoltzfus
                          Are they common Amish last names or did the author know these families personally?
                          "He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side; if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion" --John Stuart Mill



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                            Originally posted by BDBopper View Post
                            I was so offended the other night when my Grandma was watching NBC news the other night. I am not sure who the anchor was but he said before going on story after story about this tragedy...

                            "It's such a shame and and very sad that innocent people that shun tehncology and the media have to mourn in front of cameras as the whole nation is watching"

                            WHAT?!! If it is so "Sad and such a shame" then get the fricking cameras out of there and leave them the Heck alone!!!

                            What a hypocrit!
                            I agree. Not only do I feel really bad about the loss of the girls, but I feel sorry for the Amish because the media is invading their space and beliefs! These people do not feel comfortable being put on camera!

                            I've been reading the articles about this story, and I can say I am very impressed with the Amish attitudes expressed. I'm also pleased that they were given the space to hold their funerals privately- air space and roads were blocked off. Media was kept out.

                            Good.
                            Glad to hear. I am also thankful that a local radio host was able to keep that infamous protesting "Baptist" group away from the ceremonies in exchange for an hour of time on his radio show.

                            Now I read the Amish leaders have set up a fund to help the widow and her children. Wow. That's impressive- that even in the middle of their grief they understand that she is a victim as well, and had nothing to do with her husband's rampage.
                            I love the Amish because of their generosity and wonderful, forgiving attitudes.

                            Prayers sent up for those lost and those still here experiencing those lost. I can't even imagine.......
                            I send my prayers and thoughts their way too.

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                            • #15
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                              This whole tragedy affected me so much that I still cry when I see it on tv!

                              We just visited Lancaster, PA back in late August and it just breaks my heart.

                              The Amish totally amaze me and I hope we can all learn something from them.
                              ~~~:ap:~~~

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                              • #16
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                                i admire the amish.. when I lvived in canada we dont ahve amish people there.. we have hunderites which to me are sort of the same.. they arent but have the same lifestyles..no outside technology, etc.. I admire them.. they come together through tradgey as well...

                                when i saw this on TV.. i cried and cried.. the pain the families and whole community must be going through is too overwhelming for me..

                                My thoughts and prayers are with the comunity and family

                                Friends for life

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                                  I don't have TV ( I have A TV, but no TV reception) So I've been spared all the sensationalism from the lateest onslaught.

                                  I have 4 daughters, and as a family we share a lot of the same values and faith as the Mennonites. For the Amish, their faith speaks of a loving God, and they lean on His everlasting arm. This kind of loss is horrific for any family, and yes I have cried. I have also cried for the families and students in Bailey Colorado... Who do they have to lean on?

                                  • Sept. 29, 2006: 15-year-old Eric Hainstock brought two guns to a school in rural Cazenovia, Wis., and fatally shot the principal, a day after the principal gave him a disciplinary warning for having tobacco on school grounds, police said.

                                  • Sept. 27, 2006: Duane Morrison, 53, took six girls hostage at Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Colo. Morrison, sexually assaulting them and using them as human shields for hours before fatally shooting one girl and killing himself.

                                  • Aug. 24, 2006: Christopher Williams, 27, went to an elementary school in Essex, Vermont, looking for his ex-girlfriend, a teacher. He couldn't find her and fatally shot one teacher and wounded another, police said. Williams also killed his ex-girlfriend's mother, according to authorities. He shot himself twice in the head after the rampage and was arrested.

                                  • March 21, 2005: Sixteen-year-old Jeff Weise shot and killed five schoolmates, a teacher and an unarmed guard at a high school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota before taking his own life. Weise had earlier killed his grandfather and his grandfather's companion.

                                  • Nov. 22, 2004: Sixteen-year-old Desmond Keels is accused of fatally shooting one student and wounding three others outside Strawberry Mansion High in Philadelphia. The attack apparently was over a $50 debt in a rap contest. Keels is set to stand trial on murder charges later this month.

                                  • April 24, 2003: 14-year-old James Sheets shot and killed the principal in the crowded cafeteria of a junior high school in south-central Pennsylvania, before killing himself.

                                  • May 26, 2000: 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill killed his English teacher on the last day of classes in Lake Worth, Fla., after the teacher refused to let him talk with two girls in his classroom. He was convicted of second-degree murder and is serving a 28-year sentence.

                                  • April 20, 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 23 before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

                                  • May 21, 1998: Two teenagers were killed and more than 20 people hurt when a teenage boy opened fire at a high school in Springfield, Ore., after killing his parents. Kip Kinkel, 17, was sentenced to nearly 112 years in prison.

                                  • May 19, 1998: Three days before his graduation, an honor student opened fire at a high school in Fayetteville, Tenn., killing a classmate who was dating his ex-girlfriend. Jacob Davis, 18, was sentenced to life in prison.

                                  • March 24, 1998: Two boys, ages 11 and 13, fired on their Jonesboro, Ark., middle school from nearby woods, killing four girls and a teacher and wounding 10 others. Both boys were later convicted of murder and can be held until age 21.

                                  • Dec. 1, 1997: Three students were killed and five wounded at a high school in West Paducah, Ky. Michael Carneal, then 14, later pleaded guilty but mentally ill to murder and is serving life in prison.

                                  • Oct. 1, 1997: Sixteen-year-old Luke Woodham of Pearl, Miss., fatally shot two students and wounded seven others after stabbing his mother to death. He was sentenced the following year to three life sentences.

                                  I'm sure a list can go on and on, what the hell is wrong with kids today?!
                                  My first inclination is to blame video games, but kids in the 1940's and 1950's watched cartoons that were violent, so it can't be that.

                                  I want to blame poverty, but there was much worse and wide spread poverty durring the Great Depession, and you did not see the lack of respect for human life you see today.

                                  Man, I'm welling up again..

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                                    kids are becoming more violent more and more.. and I dont understand why.. people blame poverty but i dont think that is it at all....... I think it is they want power for soem reason..

                                    it is a sick sick world we live in

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                                    • #19
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                                      I think the video games of today are WAY worse than the cartoon violence of the 40s and 50s.


                                      How heartbreaking to read about the little one who asked to be shot first in hopes that the creep would spare the lives of the other girls?

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                                      • #20
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                                        I'm reading Violent Young Children by M.D. Glicken right now for a masters level class. It sort of answers these questions. We can't just blame one thing for all of this. It's a very stressful read though. I'm learning what NOT to do when I have kids. I already know the video game topic and what movies we'll allow our kids to watch is going to be hard to decide since it's so normal now for young kids to watch adult things or play violent games that they can't really comprehend. My husband is into video games and I hate them. He thinks I'm overreacting. A lot of people don't see the reality of the relationship between fantasy violence and real violence.

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