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    When I read this at work a few weeks ago I was shocked to say the least! I understand some of the author's intent to notify "troubled-young-teens" of such controversial issues however, shouldn't they leave it up to the parents to inform those young and impressionable minds? I also understand that such topics are inescapable due to the media ie: music videos, tv shows, video-games etc. and kids will be introduced to them one way or another. However, I do believe that there is a safer way of introducing and discussing these serious of issues with one's child. Either way I can't help but to think how fortunate I was to grow up in a household where reading was not only encouraged but monitored as well. MiceChat parents how do you feel about all of this?
    Last edited by saweetmelody7; 07-02-2005, 01:33 PM. Reason: too long
    "Truth-telling will have its victims ..." -Marilynne Robinson

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    Well, I may not be a parent, but I'm 13 years old and just eat up the Gossip Girl novels. My parents are pretty liberal and I can basically watch whatever I want with discretion ( I don't know if I used that word right). My parents taught already about whats appropriate and what's right or wrong, and trust me to make my own decisions, which rocks on my parents part. :razz: I mean, they'd let me read a book with suggestive content as long as I know the situations in the book are fictional and should just be regarded as fiction. Personally, I feel that I learn more without my parents stifling me and telling me what I should or should not read or watch. I think I deserve the right to read and watch what's interesting, because that's what's going on in society today, and I want to keep in the know about reality, you know?

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    • #3
      I spend a good 60 minutes (at least) reading micechat everyday
      As nice as the other parks are, we must always remember that it all began at Disneyland. Disneyland should be the crown jewel in the Disney crown.

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      • #4
        Meh. You can only censor kids so much. Better that they read smut than watch it on TV.

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        • #5
          Re: You're Reading What???

          Originally posted by IndianaChel
          Well, I may not be a parent, but I'm 13 years old and just eat up the Gossip Girl novels. My parents are pretty liberal and I can basically watch whatever I want with discretion ( I don't know if I used that word right). My parents taught already about whats appropriate and what's right or wrong, and trust me to make my own decisions, which rocks on my parents part. :razz: I mean, they'd let me read a book with suggestive content as long as I know the situations in the book are fictional and should just be regarded as fiction. Personally, I feel that I learn more without my parents stifling me and telling me what I should or should not read or watch. I think I deserve the right to read and watch what's interesting, because that's what's going on in society today, and I want to keep in the know about reality, you know?

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          I understand completely what you mean. I guess I should've stated my oppinion more clearly in that my parents were aware of what I was reading more so than they were monitoring what I was reading. Quite like your parents it seems. I am not sure why but I guess it kinda saddens me to know that there are very few teens that read at that and on top of it all are reading books such as these. (not knocking you down or anything, please don't get me wrong here) You in fact seem very well read...or very mature for your age...mature enough to handle the suggestive content in which these books contain anyways. I dunno...does any one see where I am coming from?
          "Truth-telling will have its victims ..." -Marilynne Robinson

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            Re: You're Reading What???

            I just finished reading Rainbow Boys, a book about three gay boys in high school.

            I think that books that tackle the difficult issues should be more widely read. I don't think that some newspaper journalist has ANY right to try and "inform" parents of what is good for their child. The adult should make those judgements on the child's maturity level and how they react to certain situations.
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            • #7
              Re: You're Reading What???

              :yea:
              Originally posted by MiceMan
              I just finished reading Rainbow Boys, a book about three gay boys in high school.

              I think that books that tackle the difficult issues should be more widely read. I don't think that some newspaper journalist has ANY right to try and "inform" parents of what is good for their child. The adult should make those judgements on the child's maturity level and how they react to certain situations.
              ...and did you feel as though you were well informed? Maybe I should pick one up for myself and see before I knock it down right? I honestly was just shocked to find out that a lot of those books were targetted towards 12 year olds...then again...I still secretly hope that those good ol' fashioned values will weave it's way back into today's society...thank God for Disneyland and it's constant reminder of innocense and family values! Hooray for Disneyland! :clap:
              "Truth-telling will have its victims ..." -Marilynne Robinson

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              • #8
                Re: You're Reading What???

                Originally posted by IndianaChel
                Well, I may not be a parent, but I'm 13 years old and just eat up the Gossip Girl novels. My parents are pretty liberal and I can basically watch whatever I want with discretion ( I don't know if I used that word right). My parents taught already about whats appropriate and what's right or wrong, and trust me to make my own decisions, which rocks on my parents part. :razz: I mean, they'd let me read a book with suggestive content as long as I know the situations in the book are fictional and should just be regarded as fiction. Personally, I feel that I learn more without my parents stifling me and telling me what I should or should not read or watch. I think I deserve the right to read and watch what's interesting, because that's what's going on in society today, and I want to keep in the know about reality, you know?

                [ /sermon ]
                Since you're really young, I'm going to try and go a bit easy on your post...

                One has to question a young person's ability to read certain material when that young person questions the proper use of "discretion". It's ironic that someone could be against something they don't really understand yet...

                I think people should have the right to choose, although at what age, I am unsure. Why? Because most young people make REALLY stupid decisions.

                You said that your parents would let you read a book as long as they know it's fictional... but these stories are based on reality. Sex really happens. So does binge drinking. People die, contract disease, and have unwanted babies as a result of these actions. That's reality, not fiction...

                And honestly, society has nothing to do with reality at all. Society is a joke. The fact that sex sells everything from burgers to cars is a testament to that. The lack of "quality music" or the amount of acceptance for actual musicians... To be honest with you, you'd be much more "in the know" by not paying attention to much of what society puts out!

                Personally, although I hate to admit it, my parent were dead right about a lot of things. And the older I get, the more I realize that my parents really did teach me a lot. It just took me awhile to realize it. This may not be true for all people, but in my case, my parents were right about the majority of things, and in most situations, it'd be wise to follow their advice...

                That having been said, reading is a form of media like any other, and people can be influenced by it just like music, television, or movies. If you choose to follow rather than think things out, experience will be the way you learn about life...

                But do you really need to get burned in order to know fire is hot?

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                • #9
                  Re: You're Reading What???

                  Originally posted by Soulquarian
                  Since you're really young, I'm going to try and go a bit easy on your post...

                  One has to question a young person's ability to read certain material when that young person questions the proper use of "discretion". It's ironic that someone could be against something they don't really understand yet...

                  I think people should have the right to choose, although at what age, I am unsure. Why? Because most young people make REALLY stupid decisions.

                  You said that your parents would let you read a book as long as they know it's fictional... but these stories are based on reality. Sex really happens. So does binge drinking. People die, contract disease, and have unwanted babies as a result of these actions. That's reality, not fiction...

                  And honestly, society has nothing to do with reality at all. Society is a joke. The fact that sex sells everything from burgers to cars is a testament to that. The lack of "quality music" or the amount of acceptance for actual musicians... To be honest with you, you'd be much more "in the know" by not paying attention to much of what society puts out!

                  Personally, although I hate to admit it, my parent were dead right about a lot of things. And the older I get, the more I realize that my parents really did teach me a lot. It just took me awhile to realize it. This may not be true for all people, but in my case, my parents were right about the majority of things, and in most situations, it'd be wise to follow their advice...

                  That having been said, reading is a form of media like any other, and people can be influenced by it just like music, television, or movies. If you choose to follow rather than think things out, experience will be the way you learn about life...

                  But do you really need to get burned in order to know fire is hot?
                  I get you. I'm not offended at all. :bow: thanks.

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                  • #10
                    Re: You're Reading What???

                    My 13 yo daughter refuses to read these type of books. She says they insult her intelligence. (That's not just an idle boast, she's a darn smart kid.) I've let her read all of my library, from the "Clan of the Cave Bear" series to all of Stephen King to James Thurber and E.A.Poe. I do warn her if there are "adult" themes in a book. Yes, I know this isn't normal reading material for modern kids. We are a geeky bookish family in general.
                    We talk about the issues these (young adult) books raise. Of course that may change in a year or so when Mom isn't cool anymore. I really think that mature subject matter depends a lot on the maturity of the person reading. I always found young adult books to be a little preachy.
                    The reality is that yes, these are very real topics but they should be discussed with your child. Don't just hand them a book and expect them to get the moral of the story.
                    All in all, I'd really rather talk about this stuff with my daughter than have her just read about it.


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                    • #11
                      Re: You're Reading What???

                      Originally posted by Momzilla59
                      My 13 yo daughter refuses to read these type of books. She says they insult her intelligence. (That's not just an idle boast, she's a darn smart kid.) I've let her read all of my library, from the "Clan of the Cave Bear" series to all of Stephen King to James Thurber and E.A.Poe. I do warn her if there are "adult" themes in a book. Yes, I know this isn't normal reading material for modern kids. We are a geeky bookish family in general.
                      We talk about the issues these (young adult) books raise. Of course that may change in a year or so when Mom isn't cool anymore. I really think that mature subject matter depends a lot on the maturity of the person reading. I always found young adult books to be a little preachy.
                      The reality is that yes, these are very real topics but they should be discussed with your child. Don't just hand them a book and expect them to get the moral of the story.
                      All in all, I'd really rather talk about this stuff with my daughter than have her just read about it.
                      I agree with momzilla. When I was young, I began to read very advanced books for my age group, and my parents never censored me. I also believe it is important to discuss the things that do come up in these types of books, but I would never say my daughter couldn't read something due to content. Of course, at 10, she reads more at her level than I did at that age, but I'm so all for her reading anything at all. I got much pleasure and enjoyment out of books my whole life, I want her to do the same.
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                        Re: You're Reading What???

                        My ten year old has read some books she probably shouldn't have..... :whistling: and I hate it. I hate that I let her, I hate that I accidentally on purpose exposed her to things and themes that she's too young for.

                        But when I was her age, I was reading things like V.C. Andrews books and I did a book report on "Mommie Dearest" by Christina Crawford when I was in fifth grade. :angel: I still have the books report. My mom never EVER paid attention to what I read. Or watched on TV. My parents were totally clueless. Thank goodness there was no internet in 1983. :whistling:

                        My daughter's ready for more than I'm willing to give up at this point. There are SO many wonderful books out there......I want her to read those before she moves on to more "grown up" themes with cheesy dialogue. I won't even let her read the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants books yet.

                        She reads faster than I do....and I read fairly quickly.....so she plows through more than a novel a day. I've insisted that every fourth book be a Newberry award winner or one that I pick out and so far that's not been a problem for us. And the ones she's chosen have not been all that bad.....I think there was just one or two that I vetoed. I think that because I give her some freedom and space and we have our "book talks" almost every day that she wants to pick interesting books by good authors.

                        She's read some really amazing books and we've had some incredible discussions about all kinds of thing....slavery, child abuse, suicide, cancer, divorce, step-parents, civil rights, homelessness, the environment.....all because of the books she's read over the past year.

                        I've noticed the Gossip Girls books at Target and know that the time will come for that kind of crap. But we're not there yet. I'll make her read the entire set of Sweet Valley High books first.

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                        • #13
                          Re: You're Reading What???

                          Originally posted by stinkerbell
                          My ten year old has read some books she probably shouldn't have..... :whistling: and I hate it. I hate that I let her, I hate that I accidentally on purpose exposed her to things and themes that she's too young for.

                          But when I was her age, I was reading things like V.C. Andrews books and I did a book report on "Mommie Dearest" by Christina Crawford when I was in fifth grade. :angel: I still have the books report. My mom never EVER paid attention to what I read. Or watched on TV. My parents were totally clueless. Thank goodness there was no internet in 1983. :whistling:

                          My daughter's ready for more than I'm willing to give up at this point. There are SO many wonderful books out there......I want her to read those before she moves on to more "grown up" themes with cheesy dialogue. I won't even let her read the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants books yet.

                          She reads faster than I do....and I read fairly quickly.....so she plows through more than a novel a day. I've insisted that every fourth book be a Newberry award winner or one that I pick out and so far that's not been a problem for us. And the ones she's chosen have not been all that bad.....I think there was just one or two that I vetoed. I think that because I give her some freedom and space and we have our "book talks" almost every day that she wants to pick interesting books by good authors.

                          She's read some really amazing books and we've had some incredible discussions about all kinds of thing....slavery, child abuse, suicide, cancer, divorce, step-parents, civil rights, homelessness, the environment.....all because of the books she's read over the past year.

                          I've noticed the Gossip Girls books at Target and know that the time will come for that kind of crap. But we're not there yet. I'll make her read the entire set of Sweet Valley High books first.
                          Yeah, my mom did that too. Before Gossip Girl (don't trash it, they're good...most of them) came Judy Blume, Beverly Cleary, and American Girl.

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                          • #14
                            Re: You're Reading What???

                            Originally posted by IndianaChel
                            Yeah, my mom did that too. Before Gossip Girl (don't trash it, they're good...most of them) came Judy Blume, Beverly Cleary, and American Girl.
                            My daughter is ten, though. We have time. And for a ten year old who likes to read big thick novels 75% of the time.....trust me.....Gossip Girls are fluff compared to what she likes to read most of the time. Fluff can be good, and entertaining, but still fluff.

                            We're just not there yet. For now, fluff is Nancy Drew. She knows the difference between a light fluffy read that doesn't make you think or feel and a good piece of (children's) literature that causes a discussion. And she's ten. I've had her read books by Katherine Paterson, S.E. Hinton, Richard Peck, Cynthia Voigt, Lois Lowry, Betsy Byars. She's read the Chronicles of Narnia.....her favorite book of all time is Coraline by Neil Gaiman. There are so many good authors out there.

                            When she's a teen, I'll probably really read what she's reading, so we can have more grown-up discussions......especially fluff like Gossip Girls. Because those kinds of books can be very influential on the way a teen thinks and feels. But I'm not rushing into that.

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                            • #15
                              Re: You're Reading What???

                              There's this misconception that reading makes your more intelligent or something. I know it sounds crazy for me to say that but hear me out...

                              A lot of books out there are crap. Just like music, movies, and t.v. I think everyone should read, but I never liked the people that liked to "boast" about what they've read. Just because you're more aware of topics presented in books doesn't mean you're capable of understanding, comprehending, or being able to discuss the content intelligently...

                              People tell kids to just read read read. That's great, but they should still be monitoring to some degree what their kids are reading. It's funny because we think of videogames, T.V., Movies, and Music as almost "evil". It's bad to listen to that music because it can corrupt you. Or it's bad to watch T.V. because it's full of violence and sex...

                              Books are the same way! And guess what, your imagination is A LOT more powerful than any t.v. show can be. Sex being described in a book will be more intense than a movie anyday.

                              I know a lot of people don't want to censor their kids and whatnot, but kids grow up fast as it is. Why push them out into the world at an early age? No matter how "mature" you think your child is, or how "mature" they think they are, you understand more with age. I've read pretty advanced novels all my life, but when I read them again after being older, they mean more or I understand them more.

                              So don't throw books into the good pile or assume your child will read everything and understand it more because she got it from a book. Books can be just as destructive...

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