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  • Coasterjunkie
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    Don't forget the Central Florida Zoo in Sanford and the Brevard Zoo over in the Space Coast. Those are all AZA accredited zoos along with SWO, DAK, and BGT.

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  • andrrivale
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    Yes,I am agreed that there's a few zoos in Florida other than SWO, BGT, & DAK. Zoo Miami (aka Metro Dade Zoo), Lowry Park Zoo in Tampa.Thanks for sharing such an important stuff here.

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  • Amber
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    Originally posted by jsmith11618 View Post
    Would rather have your life now with freedom or a life locked in a prison with nowhere to go?
    Ok. I think that is quite a stretch for an analogy. I could just as easily say would you rather be set for the rest of your life with food, health care and all your needs met or be homeless and have to constantly look for your next meal? Oh yeah, and if you get sick or injured, you're on your own. Either way, its anthropomorphizing and not the most logical way to discuss this stuff.

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  • jsmith11618
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    Originally posted by Amber View Post
    I don't understand this argument. Is it meant to be an argument? Yes, corky might swim 100 miles but why would you think that would be something she would want to do? Corky is old. She is unlikely to be alive in the wild at her age. It is ignorant to assume that these animals want to swim great distances and live the wild life. Animals generally choose the least possible energy expenditure for the most gain. If a killer whale is swimming a hundred miles in a day, it is probably because they are searching for food, which as we all know, is depleting in the ocean. Lack of food sources in the ocean is the reason we are seeing new sub species of orcas who are traveling great distances and finding new types of food, like other dolphins(not natural). Killer whales don't swim hundreds of miles for fun. It drives me nuts that people think the ocean is this blissful place. Sea World looks pretty good when you look at animals in the ocean and how rough they actually have it.
    Would rather have your life now with freedom or a life locked in a prison with nowhere to go?

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  • Amber
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    Water carts?

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  • jcruise86
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    Originally posted by Amber View Post
    . . . It is ignorant to assume that these animals want to swim great distances and live the wild life. . .
    Can we give them water carts? Yes, how ignorant of me, Amber, to imagine that other species wouldn't prefer a more sedentary lifestyle actually living in a theme park.
    Last edited by jcruise86; 08-23-2013, 12:46 PM.

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  • jcruise86
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    Pixar is changing the ending of "Finding Dory" because of "Blackfish": Hicks: Pixar changing 'Finding Dory' script after execs see orca film - San Jose Mercury News

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  • Amber
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    Originally posted by jcruise86 View Post
    Corky might swim 100 miles today if she weren't incarcerated in her little tub at SeaWorld.
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    I don't understand this argument. Is it meant to be an argument? Yes, corky might swim 100 miles but why would you think that would be something she would want to do? Corky is old. She is unlikely to be alive in the wild at her age. It is ignorant to assume that these animals want to swim great distances and live the wild life. Animals generally choose the least possible energy expenditure for the most gain. If a killer whale is swimming a hundred miles in a day, it is probably because they are searching for food, which as we all know, is depleting in the ocean. Lack of food sources in the ocean is the reason we are seeing new sub species of orcas who are traveling great distances and finding new types of food, like other dolphins(not natural). Killer whales don't swim hundreds of miles for fun. It drives me nuts that people think the ocean is this blissful place. Sea World looks pretty good when you look at animals in the ocean and how rough they actually have it.

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  • Exprmnt626
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    Originally posted by jcruise86 View Post
    Corky might swim 100 miles today if she weren't incarcerated in her little tub at SeaWorld.

    "Blackfish" made me even more concerned for the people killed by orcas in captivity than it did for the killer whales.
    Although I've been annoyed with some of OSHA's decrees at Disneyland (perhaps inspired by Pressler's putting profits before safety), I like OSHA's attempt to not have trainers swim with orcas.
    You don't like OSHA decreeing that handrails be placed, interfering with the visual sightline of a building, yet you commend their recommendation that the trainers not swim with the whales. Water work is one of the reasons that the whales and trainers have such a good rapport; and one of the best visual components of the show. Which is it you prefer, show or safety?

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  • KingEric
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    Originally posted by jcruise86 View Post
    Corky might swim 100 miles today if she weren't incarcerated in her little tub at SeaWorld.

    "Blackfish" made me even more concerned for the people killed by orcas in captivity than it did for the killer whales.
    Although I've been annoyed with some of OSHA's decrees at Disneyland (perhaps inspired by Pressler's putting profits before safety), I like OSHA's attempt to not have trainers swim with orcas.
    Tilikum accidents:
    1984 - Tilikum is captured
    7 YEARS later
    1991 - kills trainer who slips into pool (tilikum at this time had never had people in his water before)
    9 YEARS later
    1999 - Man slips into Tilikums tank and drowns, Tilikum plays with body all night
    11 YEARS later
    2010 - Dawn dies when she is pulled into the tank by Tilikum

    In between ALL of these incidents are YEARS of interaction, with Tilikum by trainers. Every morning, afternoon and evening.

    Every animal has good and bad days. Tilikum for how "psychotic" BlackFish claims he is, over all hasn't been in a lot of accidents.

    By comparison over the past 11 years Tilikum has killed less people than Mission:Space at Epcot.

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  • jcruise86
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    Corky might swim 100 miles today if she weren't incarcerated in her little tub at SeaWorld.

    "Blackfish" made me even more concerned for the people killed by orcas in captivity than it did for the killer whales.
    Although I've been annoyed with some of OSHA's decrees at Disneyland (perhaps inspired by Pressler's putting profits before safety), I like OSHA's attempt to not have trainers swim with orcas.

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  • KingEric
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    Originally posted by jcruise86 View Post

    There is a scene in "Blackfish" about an orca mom crying hard and long when separated from her calf.
    They aren't like dogs that way, and in the wild they stick with their moms even when they're adults, though the males can be kept to the perimeter of the family.
    I've been to the Orlando park twice and the San Diego park at least three times, but the last time I went was over 11 years ago, and now we won't return till they change. I want SeaWorld to become more like theme parks with an ocean theme and with more rides like Manta.



    These are some of the scenes in BlackFish that I take issue with as they leave out the actual context for what SeaWorld was doing at the time.

    And while Sam Berg tells that heart breaking story about the still born calf, and there are many stories that really pull the heart strings and can be heart breaking, sometimes when you are in charge of the care, and management of large animals you have to make some really tough choices, where either outcome is less than desirable but required.

    The other thing to remember in BlackFish is that the science of captive Marine animals has progressed A LOT in the 50 years that SeaWorld has been caring for Orcas in captivity. And it is easy to go back in time, and look and point out all the mistakes and say "everything is wrong"

    But instead, I choose to look at how much SeaWorld has accomplished, and look at how they have worked to improve the quality of life for all the animals in their care. Corky II is 46 right now. That is longer than any orca in captivity before, and I hope Corky II goes to live until she is in her 60s or older

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  • jcruise86
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    ^^Jsmith, thank you for that post! I went into "Blackfish" enthusiastic about taking my daughter to SeaWorld. The documentary includes thrilling footage of trainers swimming with orcas, showing how Sea World parks have captured imaginations and have probably inspired some people to oppose whaling.

    There is a scene in "Blackfish" about an orca mom crying hard and long when separated from her calf.
    They aren't like dogs that way, and in the wild they stick with their moms even when they're adults, though the males can be kept to the perimeter of the family.
    I've been to the Orlando park twice and the San Diego park at least three times, but the last time I went was over 11 years ago, and now we won't return till they change. I want SeaWorld to become more like theme parks with an ocean theme and with more rides like Manta.

    Maybe Sea World could create a cool, 3D Imax killer whale show with giant, audio-animatronic killer whales that make the whole theater a splash area. (There could be a dry area.) It could include a history of SeaWorld orca shows and show killer whales around the world.


    *****

    I'm kind of full of it because I'm an omnivore, but then again so are many of the animals I love.
    And now I get really. . .:ot:
    I just read "Kosher Chinese" about a peace corp volunteer in central China. He got there and was horrified by the surprisingly (to me at least) widespread eating of dogs. Once he tried to stop a man on a bus from repeatedly punching a bag of live puppies, and I applaud him for trying to rescue them. But he pointed out that he was on his way to a KFC at the time, and by the end of the book he had become more "open-minded" about dog eating.

    Anyway, I hope that all nations become wealthier and more peaceful so that we we're better able to protect animals. No bullfighting & no dog or cat eating. (I think we owe dogs and cats because they trust us and--in the case of dogs--may have even evolved to complement us--eg. sense of smell.) I hope for bigger & safer natural habitats for apes, tigers and elephants.

    It wouldn't bother me if, when I'm older, vegetarianism was the norm--though the "Meat kills!" approach will not be as effective as, "Try this. It's tastier, healthier, and less expensive."
    Veggie cooks have a long way to go in making veggie bratwurst as tasty as the real thing. Still, real Food Daily in Santa Monica & in Pasadena; and Angelica Kitchen and Candle 79 in NYC are all on to something. Loving Hut is hit or miss depending on the franchisees, but someone is going to get rich off of a chain of consistently delicious and affordable, fast food veggie restaurants. A veggie, Chipotle-quality chain.

    RIP Madeleine Bistro in Tarzana.
    Last edited by jcruise86; 08-05-2013, 11:03 PM.

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  • jsmith11618
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    I am going to have to try and see if the film is playing locally here. I have always been fine with Sea World's rescue and rehabilitation programs which are great, but they are no way in my opinion related to keeping Orca's and other large marine mammals in captivity simply to have them perform tricks to entertain people.

    I am not for releasing the captives into the wild, but the time has passed and we know its not appropriate to keep these animals on small pools performing tricks for food, and as such its time for politicians to step in and ban captive breeding and importation of these animals, as the current stock dies off simply no replacements.

    Other aquariums and aqua-zoo's have given up killer whales and are just as successful today as ever. Vancouver Aquarium being one of them, and the next goal here is to have the Belugas removed at some point as well as dolphins.

    If a small non-profit aquarium can do it, a multi-million dollar (or is it billion?) corporation can do the same and survive.

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  • KingEric
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    Originally posted by dazyhill View Post
    I saw that video of the Pilot Whale too on my local news and was bothered that only one side of the story was told (I just felt something was missing out of that report). If the whale was truly in trouble, then the trainers would have reacted. It's too bad that a trainer or another Sea World worker didn't try to explain to the guests what was really going on before this video went viral.
    They did explain it to the guests. That was cut out of the video that went viral.

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  • dazyhill
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    Originally posted by Coasterjunkie View Post
    This film is playing locally in the Orlando area at the Enzian theater. It's a well known, independently owned dinner theater in Maitland that plays independent films. Unfortunately it'll be gone by the time I get back home in late August.

    This film wouldn't change my views of SeaWorld even if I did see it as the reviews I've seen have stated that there is a very obvious bias against aquatic zoos like SeaWorld. Did the film document the incredible job it does with its rescue, rehabilitation, and rerelease?

    I've also been told that a video was shown on CNN recently of a whale that appeared to be stranded and struggling to get back into the water with trainers nearby. What was not told during that report was that they're teaching the baby how to do that behavior, not for a show, but as part of the veterinarian's examination for things like weighing, collecting a urin sample, and other things. CNN led their viewers to believe that SeaWorld was mistreating their animals without doing their proper journalistic research.

    Here's another question I have. Did any animal rights groups have a hand in the production of this film? I know that groups like PETA have long been opposed to zoos of any kind long before the death of Trainer Dawn Brancheau at SWO.
    I saw that video of the Pilot Whale too on my local news and was bothered that only one side of the story was told (I just felt something was missing out of that report). If the whale was truly in trouble, then the trainers would have reacted. It's too bad that a trainer or another Sea World worker didn't try to explain to the guests what was really going on before this video went viral.

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  • jcruise86
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    Originally posted by Coasterjunkie View Post
    . . . This film wouldn't change my views of SeaWorld even if I did see it as the reviews I've seen have stated that there is a very obvious bias against aquatic zoos like SeaWorld. . .
    See it. Read all the reviews of it on Metacritic.com. (Link in my post above.) See & read more from potentially challenging sources to make yourself an even more formidable opponent of what you're criticizing. Dawn was far from alone. See it. The Metacritic score is 83. Not bad.


    Don't be like this guy in the Onion:
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/man...ow-abou,17990/
    Last edited by jcruise86; 08-23-2013, 11:29 PM. Reason: typo

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  • Coasterjunkie
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    This film is playing locally in the Orlando area at the Enzian theater. It's a well known, independently owned dinner theater in Maitland that plays independent films. Unfortunately it'll be gone by the time I get back home in late August.

    This film wouldn't change my views of SeaWorld even if I did see it as the reviews I've seen have stated that there is a very obvious bias against aquatic zoos like SeaWorld. Did the film document the incredible job it does with its rescue, rehabilitation, and rerelease?

    I've also been told that a video was shown on CNN recently of a whale that appeared to be stranded and struggling to get back into the water with trainers nearby. What was not told during that report was that they're teaching the baby how to do that behavior, not for a show, but as part of the veterinarian's examination for things like weighing, collecting a urin sample, and other things. CNN led their viewers to believe that SeaWorld was mistreating their animals without doing their proper journalistic research.

    Here's another question I have. Did any animal rights groups have a hand in the production of this film? I know that groups like PETA have long been opposed to zoos of any kind long before the death of Trainer Dawn Brancheau at SWO.

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  • jcruise86
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    Today I saw "Blackfish," a documentary about orcas at SeaWorld. I recommend this film, as do many critics:
    Blackfish Reviews - Metacritic

    Here's an L.A. Times editorial inspired by "Blackfish": http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,6263962.story

    --Tom Sinsky
    Last edited by jcruise86; 08-04-2013, 07:11 AM.

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  • KingEric
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    I 100% agree with you Kelly!

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