Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

[Timekeeper]

Because, wouldn't it be better in their cards to re-theme the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man to Transformers and the rest of Super-Hero Island in IoA, to a sci-fi themed Island when USF's contract to use Marvel in it's parks expires? Plus, wouldn't it be a bit too stale to have to copies of the same ride technology?


Timekeeper

[WDW1971]

Re: Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

I do not get it when people say it is not good to have two of the same ride technology in one resort. Big Thunder Mountain and the Matterhorn are the same ride system. Snow White's Scary Adventures and Pinnochio's Daring Journey are the same ride system. Star Tours and Body Wars were the same ride system. The Great Movie Ride and Ellen's Energy Adventure are the same ride system.

[Timekeeper]

Re: Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

I do not get it when people say it is not good to have two of the same ride technology in one resort. Big Thunder Mountain and the Matterhorn are the same ride system. Snow White's Scary Adventures and Pinnochio's Daring Journey are the same ride system. Star Tours and Body Wars were the same ride system. The Great Movie Ride and Ellen's Energy Adventure are the same ride system.

Yeah, but it gets stale for a while, plus it would be rather silly to have two similar types of the same attraction in the parks. That's a part of the reason that an Indiana Jones Adventure has not yet come to Disney World is because of Dinosaur! Plus, The Matterhorn has two different tracks, much like WDW's Space Mountain.

Timekeeper

[WDW1971]

Re: Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

Yeah, but it gets stale for a while, plus it would be rather silly to have two similar types of the same attraction in the parks. That's a part of the reason that an Indiana Jones Adventure has not yet come to Disney World is because of Dinosaur! Plus, The Matterhorn has two different tracks, much like WDW's Space Mountain.

Timekeeper

So the two rides are sharing the same layout and motion? Because the world of Spiderman is totally different than the world of Transformers and each ride should place guests in two totally different environments so I do not see how people would not want to ride it because they are both 3D motion dark rides. It is like saying people would not want to ride Snow White because Alice in Wonderland has the same type of ride system. However people do ride both of these rides because they are different stories that people want to be placed into.

[KingEric]

Re: Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

When people say " it is the same ride system so it shouldn't be used again"

I then ask because haunted mansion is the first omni mover does that mean that
spaceship earth
buzz light year
the seas with nemo
little mermaid
journey into your imagination
should not be built?

It is all about the story not the mechanics facilitating the story telling.

[flynnibus]

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It is all about the story not the mechanics facilitating the story telling.

That would be true.. if it were the story or content that was the really compelling part of the attraction.

But here, the compelling part of the attraction is the immersive 3D motion sim. Which is exactly what spiderman and transformers both are.. and both rely entirely on for their draw.

It's like IASW - the boats aren't the draw... so the idea there is another floating boat ride in the park really doesn't mean anything. Same as with Buzz vs HM. Both are omnimovers.. but in neither case is the omnimover the draw to the attraction or what people take away from it.

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I do not get it when people say it is not good to have two of the same ride technology in one resort. Big Thunder Mountain and the Matterhorn are the same ride system

Yet one's draw is that it's an indoor dark coaster.. and the other is that it's a outdoor coaster that dives and curves through a rock canyon area.

Snow White's Scary Adventures and Pinnochio's Daring Journey are the same ride system

And in neither of them is the ride system anything the guests care about in the attraction - no one is drawn to Snow White because of it's rickety arrow carts.

Star Tours and Body Wars were the same ride system

Yup - and Body Wars suffered greatly because of it.. so much so as the anchor to the pavilion it couldn't keep WoL significant. Body Wars is a great example where the thrill was all about the ride system and the content basically sucked.. and when the ride system wasn't enough to draw people in.. the attraction was no longer popular.

The Great Movie Ride and Ellen's Energy Adventure are the same ride system.

And yet again - the ride system is basically 'out of sight, out of mind' in GMR.

You might as well say...
Who needs this...


When you already have this...


Both are middle aged females... both the same right?

The similarities are not why Jenny and the ugly girl are different.. the similarities they share aren't even the reason people are drawn to one of them. The shared aspects are insignificant because they aren't the elements that make the 'attraction' what they are.

However in the case of spiderman and transformers.. the shared elements basically are what make the attractions what they are. That's why its a different case then say... HM vs Buzz.

[WDW1971]

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So I just did a side by side comparison to Transformers in Singapore and the size of the show building is about the same as the land available for the ride in Florida. The reason they had to tear down the original building is most likely that they needed to excavate a basement or build a second story so the original structure would be insufficient. The ride could be a multi-storied attraction. In addition, the ride could be slightly different than the one in Hollywood. When Hollywood takes the rides from Orlando they often slightly change them up a little to fit in the tighter landscape.

Also is it just me or does it seem like Universal Studios Florida is receiving its own mini DCA style makeover? New nighttime show, new parade, Minion Mayhem, Transformers, Harry Potter. It is nice to see all of the new activity happening here.

[flynnibus]

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Also is it just me or does it seem like Universal Studios Florida is receiving its own mini DCA style makeover? New nighttime show, new parade, Minion Mayhem, Transformers, Harry Potter. It is nice to see all of the new activity happening here.

and harry potter 2.0..
and a new hotel...
and more rumored stuff coming too

[lazyboy97O]

Re: Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

The contract to use the Marvel characters never expires.

[JtnOrl]

Re: Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

Because, wouldn't it be better in their cards to re-theme the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man to Transformers and the rest of Super-Hero Island in IoA, to a sci-fi themed Island when USF's contract to use Marvel in it's parks expires? Plus, wouldn't it be a bit too stale to have to copies of the same ride technology?


Timekeeper

I agree that Transformers might seem redundant with Spider-Man already there. However, Spider-Man is an extremely popular attraction and Universal has no intentions of closing it since their contract with Marvel never expires, so retheming it to Transformers, which has less lasting appeal, would be a bad move. You might actually see Transformers close before Spider-Man does.

And while they might seem redundant, I'd argue that the ride system is not the only thing attracting people to these two attractions.

[9oldmen]

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So I just did a side by side comparison to Transformers in Singapore and the size of the show building is about the same as the land available for the ride in Florida. The reason they had to tear down the original building is most likely that they needed to excavate a basement or build a second story so the original structure would be insufficient. The ride could be a multi-storied attraction. In addition, the ride could be slightly different than the one in Hollywood. When Hollywood takes the rides from Orlando they often slightly change them up a little to fit in the tighter landscape.

Also is it just me or does it seem like Universal Studios Florida is receiving its own mini DCA style makeover? New nighttime show, new parade, Minion Mayhem, Transformers, Harry Potter. It is nice to see all of the new activity happening here.

Whenever, and I mean ever they replicate a ride/attraction where a major part of the experience involves watching something on screens, the projected images are exactly the same. (i.e., T23D, Simpsons, Star Tours, Soarin'). I wouldn't count on the ride being significantly different. Also, not sure why you looked at the footprint in Singapore rather than Hollywood, although, they too are probably exactly the same. Plus, this a not case of "Hollywood takes the rides from Orlando". It's an attraction that opened in Singapore and Hollywood about 6 months apart, and now may be coming to Orlando, although this is the same Universal that announced a "Harry Potter" land in Hollywood months ago, and ground breaking has yet to happen. Don't know that they'd try to sneak behind our collective backs and start actually building something this major without a press conference or event of some kind, but who knows.

Also, there is a MAJOR diffence between what's happening in UO and what happened with DCA. Those changes in DCA all happened, or were started before the park was even 10 years old. Completely different reasons for making the changes. "Harry Potter" was being built before IOA had it's ten year anniversary, but that's an addition of one land, with the rest of the park remaining pretty much the same. The UO park proper had a few changes too during it's first ten years, and had a few problems, but it was not the problematic park that DCA was.

[flynnibus]

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Don't know that they'd try to sneak behind our collective backs and start actually building something this major without a press conference or event of some kind, but who knows.

They are building Harry potter 2.0 in both parks right now in Orlando and haven't announced the Harry potter expansion at all... uni is being very coy right now with how they plan on announcing all these efforts

[JtnOrl]

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I wouldn't count on the ride being significantly different.

I've heard from several sources that Orlando's Transformers could potentially have several upgrades absent from the other versions. I don't know what all that consists of.

It's an attraction that opened in Singapore and Hollywood about 6 months apart, and now may be coming to Orlando, although this is the same Universal that announced a "Harry Potter" land in Hollywood months ago, and ground breaking has yet to happen. Don't know that they'd try to sneak behind our collective backs and start actually building something this major without a press conference or event of some kind, but who knows.

I don't know what's going on in Hollywood, but it's not like the two Orlando projects are hidden or anything. They're clearly building both of them.

Jaws closed all the way back in January but its replacement was never officially announced. They're simply being secretive. They don't want people cancelling their upcoming vacations so they can wait for these attractions to open.

The funny thing is, Transformers hasn't even been announced yet and will likely open around the same time as the new Fantasyland. They're really hauling butt.

[lazyboy97O]

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Also, not sure why you looked at the footprint in Singapore rather than Hollywood, although, they too are probably exactly the same. Plus, this a not case of "Hollywood takes the rides from Orlando". It's an attraction that opened in Singapore and Hollywood about 6 months apart, and now may be coming to Orlando

The attraction has the same footprint in both parks. It was designed for Hollywood first, but opened in Singapore first. To save on costs it was decided to replicate the layout that was designed to fit inside the Backdraft site.

[TSTLSOOM]

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i dont think it will open in USF. plus having two different "same type of rides" in two different parks is no big problem.

[MasterElwood]

Re: Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

Because, wouldn't it be better in their cards to re-theme the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man to Transformers and the rest of Super-Hero Island in IoA, to a sci-fi themed Island when USF's contract to use Marvel in it's parks expires? Plus, wouldn't it be a bit too stale to have to copies of the same ride technology?


Timekeeper

2 reasons why transformers will NEVER replace Spiderman:


1. If Universal closes Spiderman, Disney automatically gets the rights to use Spiderman in Disneyworld.

2. Universal wants more people to go to the studios and not IOA.

[goldenstate5]

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First off, USF having upgrades over the USH Transformers is a bit laughable. What, are they going to use even higher definition than 4K? The SS44 footprint is big, but just about as large as the Backdraft/SES one. In order to rush this thing, it's going to be identical except maybe with some differences in regards to the facade. But overall the same weaving NEST corridors/queue will be utilized and it'll most likely be the same elevators.

What catches me off-guard is that in essence, Transformers and Spider-Man are actually pretty similar in that they reuse plenty of ideas. The opening scene of something hopping onto your car, navigating underground tunnels, being dragged over a cityscape (admittedly The Simpsons Ride copied this as well) and of course a perilous fall from a skyscraper. The latter will easily stick in the minds of tourists, but again this must be identical to get the attraction out on time. Nothing wrong with the same ride system being used, but with Transformers it seemed Universal wanted to create a very similar experience to Spider-Man, without Spider-Man of course. So it's a little weird that they've up and decided Florida should have that too.

I mean, if they did. Everybody has for some reason hopped aboard this train and refuses to think it can be anything else, rather suddenly. I won't be too sure until the official announcement. Or when we get evidence of USF building elevator pits.

[JtnOrl]

Re: Rumor: Is Transformers really going to come to USF?

First off, USF having upgrades over the USH Transformers is a bit laughable. What, are they going to use even higher definition than 4K? The SS44 footprint is big, but just about as large as the Backdraft/SES one. In order to rush this thing, it's going to be identical except maybe with some differences in regards to the facade. But overall the same weaving NEST corridors/queue will be utilized and it'll most likely be the same elevators.

What catches me off-guard is that in essence, Transformers and Spider-Man are actually pretty similar in that they reuse plenty of ideas. The opening scene of something hopping onto your car, navigating underground tunnels, being dragged over a cityscape (admittedly The Simpsons Ride copied this as well) and of course a perilous fall from a skyscraper. The latter will easily stick in the minds of tourists, but again this must be identical to get the attraction out on time. Nothing wrong with the same ride system being used, but with Transformers it seemed Universal wanted to create a very similar experience to Spider-Man, without Spider-Man of course. So it's a little weird that they've up and decided Florida should have that too.

I mean, if they did. Everybody has for some reason hopped aboard this train and refuses to think it can be anything else, rather suddenly. I won't be too sure until the official announcement. Or when we get evidence of USF building elevator pits.

It isn't "laughable" for them to make changes from the other versions. There are many possible improvements that could be made, and they wouldn't necessarily add much to the construction time. The similarity to Spider-Man storywise is one big reason to possibly make changes. And this is a fast tracked attraction, but that doesn't mean it's a "rush job."

We already have evidence that they're building elevator pits. We've had it for a while.
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