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  • steamboatpete
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    I don't really notice how many people of each racial group I encounter at Disneyland. I know I've seen people of every race and culture, but numbers, percentages, whatever, I couldn't begin to tell you.

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  • disneylandreport
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    This whole conversation is bass-ackwards if you ask me. I thought we were supposed to stop noticing the color disparities and just see everyone as the same.

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  • 4th Gen Disney Fan
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    Minorities don't go to DLR because they are POOR? I find that statement extremely offensive and ignorant.

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  • White Bones
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    Wait, why the hell are we talking about race for? Is this what OP ment by "minorities"?

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  • StarSpeeder
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    I'm Iranian? Does that count? Haha, but seriously, that's because Disney's raked up the cost for admission twice and they'll do it again. Before you know it, the crowds will lessen until there isn't anyone there.

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  • BrodyDanger
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    Originally posted by DARTH MAUL View Post
    if they are, that's incredibly offensive. My race has nothing to do with my every day choices. Especially entertainment. I don't go outside and say "let's see, I'm black. what do I want to do today?". Target me as a male, or someone in their twenties, or a college student. Those are the things actually make a difference or that I've chosen for my life and define who I am, not the physical characteristics. I hope to God, they're not that ignorant.
    There is no way that they DON'T track that information. It's a very basic component of market demographics. It has nothing to do with ignorance. In fact, it's probably the exact opposite of that.

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  • Eonevoli1017
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    As loaded as this question is, when I visit the parks I'm not worried whatsoever about the percentage's of what colors of skin are their (because let's be honest that's all that is being discussed here). I'm on vacation when I visit the parks and to be honest I never noticed any difference in the amount of a specific race their might be. I'm there to enjoy myself, not to conduct a census poll that doesn't determine my level of satisfaction with the parks themselves.

    I find this question to be borderline offensive because in its origin it utilizes stereotypes and profiling to gauge why certain individuals of a certain race(s) may or may not parktake in the parks. I don't like this question at all.

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  • chesirecat
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    Originally posted by DARTH MAUL View Post
    if they are, that's incredibly offensive. My race has nothing to do with my every day choices. Especially entertainment. I don't go outside and say "let's see, I'm black. what do I want to do today?". Target me as a male, or someone in their twenties, or a college student. Those are the things actually make a difference or that I've chosen for my life and define who I am, not the physical characteristics. I hope to God, they're not that ignorant.
    That's a good point, in that folks of different ethnicities can have similar interests, and Disney fans regardless of race probably love the exact same things about Disney.

    However, Disney does target their marketing to tap new markets,

    Disneyland Ads Aim for Latino Families - Los Angeles Times

    The article says that in 1988 30% of LA's market was Latino, and yet only 15% of Disneyland guests were Latino. A lot has changed since 1988, and obviously Disney reached out to the Latino market and now more than 15% of Disneyland guests are Latino, it is probably closer to 50%, IMHO.

    Similarly, blacks and whites may have similar or pretty much identical tastes, but Disney may be less visible in predominantly black communities, or they may be "targeting" their marketing to black communities in a way that is (naively) different from that in the mainstream that perhaps turns some off of Disneyland.

    Beats me. I don't underestimate Disney's marketing department's ability to make faulty assumptions, though in an increasingly multi-racial/multi-cultural society, it makes sense just to make a good product.

    It is wrong to stereotype a single person and make assumptions based on their race, but choices in recreational activities exist among different racial/ethnics groups,

    http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=8341029&page=1

    This article mentions that less than 1% of visitors to national parks are black. I find this really surprising, but it illustrates that while America is a cultural melting pot, there are still some cultural differences between racial/ethnic groups. Ironically, the article is from ABC, owned by Disney, and says that there are plenty of blacks at Disney parks.
    Last edited by chesirecat; 07-01-2012, 02:07 PM.

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  • Pinrar
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    Haha wow I offended some people. Well I won't apologize because I have said nothing wrong at all. I have just personally noticed a lot of minorities at six flags that's all. And as I have said I don't know why that is. You people figure this out because frankly I couldn't give a crap what the demographic is at a park. This thread is useless and not worth having to tip toe around a subject that doesnt need to be discussed in the first place. Im out.

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  • ducktalesfan5555
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    Originally posted by DARTH MAUL View Post
    Wow.... Just wow. First off, they're not rare. it's quite proportional to the population. We're roughly 12 % of the US population. How many of that population are going to Disneyland? Do the math and filter it down from there. Second, it's a park that attracts people from all around the world so to say it only reflects So. Cal is also a mistake.

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    I didn't mean to offend with my post. Sorry...
    The OP was talking about the lack of minorities in the resort. For which I disagree, except for the number of black guests, who are very few of, almost none from my experience. Yeah i know blacks are only 12% of the population of the US, but still it's not even 12% of disneyland's guests.

    Yes DLR attracts guest from all over the world, but A huge percent of visitors are Locals (people from southern cali).

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  • DARTH MAUL
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    Originally posted by ducktalesfan5555 View Post
    Blacks in the other are very rare at DLR! I guess there's not a big black poplulation in SoCal.
    Wow.... Just wow. First off, they're not rare. it's quite proportional to the population. We're roughly 12 % of the US population. How many of that population are going to Disneyland? Do the math and filter it down from there. Second, it's a park that attracts people from all around the world so to say it only reflects So. Cal is also a mistake.

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    Originally posted by logicspeaks View Post
    My girlfriend and I are black and we also find it strange how 90% of the time there are NO other black people in sight. I was raised in Anaheim so the DLR is like my second home, but I do know that a lot of my friends where I live now (San Bernardino) didn't have that growing up. Disneyland seems to be the kind of thing passed down from one generation to the next, and I think a lot of black people who grew up in poverty never got to experience that when they were young.
    I'm black, and two friends of mine who are not only have the most money of my friends, but have been premium passholders longer than anyone else I know. Me as well. That goes against almost all the stereotyping people are slinging in this post.

    Also people, race and culture are two different things. Race is a manmade concept, that doesn't' dictate your behavior, because it doesn't really exist. Culture is a shared experience or location. So until all blacks or whites or whoever are all in the SAME area, and all have the SAME experience, their ethnicity cannot speak for their culture. As others have said, that's profiling and ignorant.

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    Originally posted by chesirecat View Post
    I'm sure Disney is tracking perceptions of different ethnic/racial groups.
    if they are, that's incredibly offensive. My race has nothing to do with my every day choices. Especially entertainment. I don't go outside and say "let's see, I'm black. what do I want to do today?". Target me as a male, or someone in their twenties, or a college student. Those are the things actually make a difference or that I've chosen for my life and define who I am, not the physical characteristics. I hope to God, they're not that ignorant.

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    Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
    Minorities love magic mountain for some reason. Cheaper and more exciting I suppose. But who knows, I bet the answer is probably in the culture rather than race.
    There are SOOOO many problems with this. Do you know EVERY minority? Then please feel free not to speak for all of them.
    Last edited by DARTH MAUL; 07-01-2012, 11:31 AM.

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  • ducktalesfan5555
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    No minorities at the park? I beg to differ. I recall seeing a lot of hispanics and asians in my recent visits. Blacks in the other are very rare at DLR! I guess there's not a big black poplulation in SoCal.

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  • chesirecat
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    Originally posted by doppio View Post
    Wow. So if you're a minority you must be poor? What a bunch of crap and easy cop-out.
    How offensive to me, a minority, who had nothing and made a life for himself. Something most people could do if they have the drive and passion, never excepting no as an answer.
    I'm sorry, I did not mean to offen, its just that I look at demographic issues a lot, mostly epidemiology, and helping to correct what is not working with society involves looking at how different racial groups are affected and face different challenges. It would be stereotyping to assume that any individual black person couldn't afford to go to Disneyland, or even that money is the primary issue.

    Having said that, there are some disturbing trends regarding black employment/wealth such as:

    A $95,000 question: why are whites five times richer than blacks in the US? | World news | The Guardian

    I don't know if what is happening at Disneyland is real or not, or if Disney (and I think we ALL agree they are greedy and have taken the public for dullards!), would perhaps shift advertising out of certain minority neighborhoods in an uninformed manner/bizarre attempt to get more $$$? I kind of hope this isn't true, they advertised for Carsland everywhere! Also, maybe blacks are moving out of the Anaheim area for some reason, and thus are less likely to visit Disneyland from a local perspective.



    ---------- Post added 07-01-2012 at 06:01 PM ----------

    Originally posted by Stitch626626 View Post
    Speaking of minorities, aren't white Americans now classified as a minority group?
    That's a good question. I only know a little bit about demographics, but while maybe 70%, or less, of the country's population is "white", young children are about half-hispanic. Meaning that Disney no doubt tracks the Hispanic approval/enjoyment of the parks and movies.

    Pixar is making a "Dia De Los Muertos" film! (This is a popular holiday in Mexico, but also celebrated by some in the U.S.). I personally like Latino culture and lived for a while in central america, though I am white. There are rumors that a Brazil Disneyland is coming.

    I personally think that DLR is very popular with Latinos, and with everybody, but I'm sure Disney is tracking perceptions of different ethnic/racial groups.
    Last edited by chesirecat; 07-01-2012, 11:03 AM.

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  • Stitch626626
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    Speaking of minorities, aren't white Americans now classified as a minority group?

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  • chesirecat
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    Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
    Are you suggesting that minorities don't live as long as non-minorities? If not, then can you explain how minorities are more likely to be young?
    Not at all, I am saying demographically, minorities have an average younger age because many of them come to this country as immigrants, who are usually young, and have larger families with young kids, so that their current average age is younger than, for example, white people. No doubt in decades to come the minority population will age as well. The Hispanic population, in terms of average age, is where the white population was in 1955, according to one article,

    "The Hispanic population is, on average, more than 10 years younger than the average for non-Hispanics."

    Hispanic Market Hits Tipping Point | Hispanic Marketing - Advertising Age

    Fast growing populations have an average lower age as well.

    ---------- Post added 07-01-2012 at 05:34 PM ----------

    Originally posted by dougeebear View Post
    I am not a racial minority yet I find this weird cognitive leap between "why no people of color in the parks" and "they must be too poor" to be racial profiling at its worst. There are many people of color who could easily afford a Disney vacation, and there are many lower and middle income white folks who could not.
    Yes, it was a "loaded question" as the original poster wanted to look at just blacks.

    Frankly, I don't think it is primarily a racial demographic shift, I believe that because Disney raised ticket prices it has priced out a lot of families, and some who could afford going to Disneyland but just feel that the ticket prices are too high.

    Demographically, such changes in ticket prices hit young families more than the average middle aged, or close to retiring, APer population.

    On my last trip somebody in my group remarked how there were less young families in Disneyland (though there still are a lot), and I noticed the same thing. I wouldn't want to make racially insensitive comments, and nothing anybody says here is even close to a scientific survey with regards to specific minorities in the parks. I get a sense of demographic shifts, but nobody really knows.

    Though I'm sure Disney has the ALL the demographic numbers on a variety of racial/ethnic groups because there is only one color they care about . . . green.

    Disney has made no secret whatsoever that they are charging premium prices and going after the "whales" with expensive hotels like Grand Californian and new expensive restaurants. If Disneyland is a city, then you can from a demographic standpoint legitimately asks questions about who they are targeting with advertisements and why. It could be a major scandal for the parks.
    Last edited by chesirecat; 07-01-2012, 10:40 AM.

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  • calsig31
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    Originally posted by chesirecat View Post
    Minorities are more likely to be young, and have less money, so fewer of them are showing up.
    Are you suggesting that minorities don't live as long as non-minorities? If not, then can you explain how minorities are more likely to be young?

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  • doppio
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    Amen.

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  • dougeebear
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    I am not a racial minority yet I find this weird cognitive leap between "why no people of color in the parks" and "they must be too poor" to be racial profiling at its worst. There are many people of color who could easily afford a Disney vacation, and there are many lower and middle income white folks who could not.

    Offensive and racially charged statements like these cannot be excused by tacking on a "Don't mean to offend, but" or "No disrespect intended, but" phrase. If the question is disrespectful or offensive without the disclaimer, it is equally offensive with it.

    My last visit to Disneyland at one of the Halloween parties I saw lots of people and families in all colors enjoying the park, including one fabulous dark skinned lady who wore contacts and had her hair in exactly the same style and color as my wig. And I applauded her clearly excellent choice in styling.

    If you want to continue this conversation, I would suggest steering it toward how Disney could meet the needs of people of color or what it could do to attract more, rather than going along the path of this "they're too poor to get in" crap.

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  • doppio
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    Wow. So if you're a minority you must be poor? What a bunch of crap and easy cop-out.
    How offensive to me, a minority, who had nothing and made a life for himself. Something most people could do if they have the drive and passion, never excepting no as an answer.



    ---------- Post added 07-01-2012 at 08:40 AM ----------

    Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
    Minorities love magic mountain for some reason. Cheaper and more exciting I suppose. But who knows, I bet the answer is probably in the culture rather than race.
    Wow. What a way to pigeon hole a whole race of people. Just wow.

    ---------- Post added 07-01-2012 at 08:43 AM ----------

    Originally posted by mickeyfan42 View Post
    it probably doesn't help that Disney costs SOOO much lol
    Please, it's a business not a charity.
    Last edited by doppio; 07-01-2012, 08:49 AM.

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  • DCAfanatic
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    Originally posted by greeeneyes17 View Post
    actually I thought quite the opposite at my visit a few weeks ago...

    My boyfriend and I noticed an astounding number of hispanic people and asian people, and barely anything else. We blended in I suppose because I'm hispanic and he's asian

    But I do agree with you that there was little to no black pepole, it was interesting.
    Not sure why, and as for white people there were not that many either.
    Youre right Young black people are less seen than any other age group at the park!

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