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Re: Tom Sawyer Island - Time for a Change
Originally posted by calsig31 View PostAlways check the reliability of your sources - especially with Wikipedia. The footnote on the particular section you quoted did not lead to a primary source such as an official Disney historical archive, or a reliable secondary source like a major newspaper. This source was an internet site created by a fan because he didn't like the way other fansites presented the information. He gives no indication of where he got his information nor evidence of its validity.
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Originally posted by 999happyhants View PostLight bulb moment! What they should do is take the backwoods of The Rivers of America into a modern version of Mine Train through Natures Wonderland. With state-of-the-art audioanimatronics and superb surroundings it could be a sight to see. If they could do something that amazing back then, just think of what they can do now (just look at Cars Land.)
This would be awesome! I know everyone's after thrills, but it would be cool to have another easy-going ride to relax on in one of the most beautiful areas of the park.
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I didn't think a post to a message board needed to be cited in the same was as a doctoral thesis.
The 1948 memo is discussed and reprinted in the book "Walt Disney's Railroad Story," Michael Broggie, 1st ed. Pentrex, 1997. If you require a page number I will have to get back with you tonight.
I apologize for not having the original memo in my possession; of course, even a scan of that might raise a red flag with some people: "Well, how do we know that you just didn't type that up yourself in Courier typeface?" :shy:
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Originally posted by Steve DeGaetano View PostI guess I don't mind doing all the research, and then gladly sharing my discoveries with folks here, even if some people don't appreciate the time and financial resouces required to do so, or somehow sarcastically seem to think I spend all my time making things up.If there's going to be a boo-hoo about the validity of something on Wikipedia because it's from 'an internet site created by a fan because he didn't like the way other fansites presented the information' it's applicable to some random person's comment on a message board. It goes both ways.
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Originally posted by brenden View Postit's applicable to some random person's comment on a message board.
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Originally posted by Steve DeGaetano View PostNot to blow my own horn, but I've written the only two books ever published on the Disneyland Railroad, both of which are in the Library of Congress and in the Disney Archives. I think that gives me just a tiny bit more credibility than your average "random person."
Sorry to bruise your ego, but to me, and probably most people here, you're a random person, just like me. Congratulations on being published and everything, but it's a tad arrogant to just expect people to take your word for it. Most intellectuals I know provide sources for their information and don't come down on those who question it.
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Originally posted by Steve DeGaetano View PostNot to blow my own horn, but I've written the only two books ever published on the Disneyland Railroad, both of which are in the Library of Congress and in the Disney Archives. I think that gives me just a tiny bit more credibility than your average "random person."
Amazon.com: Walt Disney's Railroad Story: The Small-Scale Fascination That Led to a Full-Scale Kingdom (9781563420092): Michael Broggie: BooksJack Sparrow - "You have been monstrously deceived." Pirate - We are decepted then..." Jack Sparrow - "Yes"
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Originally posted by brenden View PostYou've written the "only two books ever published on the Disneyland Railroad," but you reference "Walt Disney's Railroad Story" by Michael Broggie?
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Originally posted by Steve DeGaetano View PostD3COY, Michael only has a small chapter on the Disneyland Railroad; the rest of that awesome book is really a biography of Walt Disney, and how trains influcenced him.Jack Sparrow - "You have been monstrously deceived." Pirate - We are decepted then..." Jack Sparrow - "Yes"
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Originally posted by Steve DeGaetano View PostWhat's wrong with that? That's where the information appears (and as noted above, Michael's book is not about the Disneyland Railroad).
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Originally posted by brenden View PostWell...all of my tweets have been stored in the Library of Congress? Does that mean I can just say whatever I want and people should automatically accept what I say as truth?
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Originally posted by brenden View PostThere's nothing wrong with it, but you aren't the only author to touch on the Disneyland Railroad, as you purport.
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Originally posted by Steve DeGaetano View PostWell, I guess the difference is, people can cite to my books in other books; they don't cite to tweets.
The point of this all was to include the sources of your information. I don't really care how many books you've written, who cites you, where your work is archived or recognized, how credible you think you are, how credible you expect people to think you are, etc. If you're going to type out something that was "Walt's own words" for a message board, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask where you got it.
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Originally posted by D3COY View PostWell thanks for informing me. That book is on my "to buy" list
Walt Disney's Railroad Story - pdf E-Edition - BOOKS & PUBLICATIONS
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Originally posted by Retrocool View Postbrenden, knock off showing disrespect to Steve DeGaetano. You've long ago made your point. Steve's responded to all your snotty little taunts. Now can it or I'm getting the belt.
You'd better get the belt, daddy.
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Originally posted by Steve DeGaetano View PostIt's one of the best books on Walt and trains ever written. If you can get a hard copy, definitely do it! But if you can't afford it, Michael also sells a PDF version for $19 bucks:
Walt Disney's Railroad Story - pdf E-Edition - BOOKS & PUBLICATIONSJack Sparrow - "You have been monstrously deceived." Pirate - We are decepted then..." Jack Sparrow - "Yes"
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Originally posted by brenden View PostIt's not unreasonable to expect someone who positions themselves as an intellectual to source their information. It's baffling that there's a kerfuffle over asking a published author (who you'd think would be familiar with attribution) to cite something. Respect is reciprocal.
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