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  • #21
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    Regarding the ciggaret's being edited out of photos of Walt, While I personally think that, that's just silly, I suspect that Walt might have been OK with that. After all, he never smoked on his T.V. program. Official photos from the studio never showed him smoking. Then there's his quote, some of you probably know it better than I do. He was talking about Walt Disney the image verses the 'real' Walt. He said something like I smoke, swear etc. and I'd rather people not know about that. (paraphrase)

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    • #22
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      Al promised news about soft openings, but I only see info about TLM. What about Star Tours soft openings?
      FIRST DLR TRIP - 1981

      FIRST DLP TRIP - March 1997

      FIRST WDW TRIP - May/June 2006

      FIRST HKDL TRIP - 2016?

      FIRST TDLR TRIP - 2017?

      FIRST SHDL TRIP - 2019?

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      • #23
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        Dusty, it's great to see that Disneyland has turned around so much over the past few years. But encouraging as they are, all these positive remarks from you and Al make me much more sad for what I consider my home resort of WDW. Do you see any hope for a turnaround, either in management or just in park operation, of the WDW parks anytime in the near future? There's some positive signs on the horizon, like FLE, the rumored Tiki Room revival, and speculation over a Brazil pavilion, but I don't if these are genuinely positive signs, or if I'm just connecting dots with lines that don't exist...

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        • #24
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          Wow. The Disney nametag is (famously) worn for a reason. It's supposed to be a first name company. There's a lot of talk about all the CMs being "family" with each other. It made me wonder what I'd do if I was an operator learning how to work a new ride (and noticing things that were built but made no sense) and was being called "operator" by Imagineers barking at me. They'd hear back from me, that's for sure! And I'd remind them very clearly what Disney is supposed to be about.

          The front of the line CMs don't get paid enough. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO!
          "And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by" (John Masefield)


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          • #25
            Re: Tron Haiting

            Originally posted by eicarr View Post
            What's with all the writers hating on tron because of their opinion. It made over $400 million in theaters ALONE. I GET IT they like fluffy kids films about princesses and don't want to put much thought into fully understanding or enjoying a fun scifi flick. Not a fan of the cartoons sice a teen so tron attractions are a breath of fresh air. Hope they make something permanent in time for when the part 3 they are working on comes out. And if u want to talk turkeys, talk Prince of Persia!
            Prince of Persia was hardly a turkey compared to Mars Needs Moms. Read on...

            'Mars Needs Moms' drags down Disney's earnings | Company Town | Los Angeles Times

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            • #26
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              Nobody has the right to disrespect anybody anywhere in a company's ladder, but one must remember WDI has more than one customer and must balance the needs of the many (paying Guests looking for greater 'Wow' factors) vs. the needs of the few (Front Line Cast Members.) I designed Starbucks stores around the world for many years and often had to lobby for the paying customers' experience against the very vocal Operations team that wanted harder, uglier, easier to clean surfaces (we called it 'bulletproofing.') This is easy to understand as we all become accustom to our surroundings regardless of how sublime, and focus on the deficiencies or time savers at the expense of whittling away at that 'wow factor' that Guests need or want. It sounds like both sides of the equation at Disney are losing the empathy required to see each other's points of view to work towards the common goal of a safe, enjoyable experience. I appreciate the front line cast me, but I also appreciate the efforts of the likes of Tony Baxter for pushing the boundries of the customer experience.

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              • #27
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                It's too bad readers believe everything Al says. 20% facts twisted to make you all interested. If you know much about statistics you'll understand how things are so easy to twist in the writers favor.
                It's good to see some positive things in Al's article. I KNOW change is good. I can't wait to see it all finished. Even Walt said Disneyland would never be complete as long as there was imagination left in the world. So no matter how much you LOVE something at one of our resorts, someday it may change!

                A couple bad apples in WDI, a couple bad apples in Operations, a couple bad apples giving Al information that isn't accurate... It's too bad that Al takes what his "sources" say as fact. These folks are either bitter or being paid for info. True Disney Cast Members, Imagineers and Crew Members don't bash, they work hard to make the Walt Disney Company special.

                The decision about not using the name Walt's Steakhouse in the past was based on recommendations from Operations, for real reasons. There are only 3 or 4 photos of Walt in there now. It's all celebrities. Maybe somebody should check things out first before writing it as fact.

                On ALL WDI projects Operating partners are part of EVERY step of architectural design and timelines. There are always issues. The point is that WDI and Operations partner diligently to make things entertaining for the Guests while trying to keep it practical. It's pretty hard to make creative, pertinent attractions and/or entertainment practical. Nothing is perfect through any process. Its about being a team and figuring out how to make things right within the limitations set by all partners. To point fingers at one team in the process is immature and childish. I've been in many different parts of the company and know for fact that all areas have the same successes and failures.

                Bashing is so unfortunate.

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                • #28
                  Re: Tang?

                  Well said Anton Ego

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                  • #29
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                    Originally posted by whatsrealal View Post
                    It's too bad readers believe everything Al says. 20% facts twisted to make you all interested.
                    What's too bad is that employees of the Disney Corporation join fan forums to try to shill the social media and control the corporate message.


                    Originally posted by whatsrealal View Post
                    It's too bad that Al takes what his "sources" say as fact. These folks are either bitter or being paid for info. True Disney Cast Members, Imagineers and Crew Members don't bash, they work hard to make the Walt Disney Company special.
                    To those of us who know what's happening inside, and who have been reading Al Lutz since before there was a MiceChat, what's too bad is when Disney shills try to discredit his reports with bogus posts like this. All they accomplish is to make the Company look amateurish.
                    "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
                    Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
                    imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

                    - Neil Gabler

                    "I didn't know the story of baby Jesus could be any better,
                    until Thor told it to me."
                    -
                    Young girl at Disneyland's 2017 Candlelight Ceremony

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                    • #30
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                      First, its funny that shill isn't even a word. Congratulations with your knowledge of the English language. Second, you have no idea if the report is bogus or not. It's funny that you think you know what going on "inside". You have to be employee to be able to say that. So if you are an employee you aren't a happy one.
                      Al creates a perception, but we all know that perception is reality.

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                      • #31
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                        AND employees of the Walt Disney Company are allowed to be fans. That's why we work there.

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                        • #32
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                          Longtime employees of Burbank, Glendale and Anaheim know perfectly well that the "We're Damned Important" attitude in Glendale that Al describes, and the grief (and money) it has cost Disneyland Ops, is at least a decade and a half older than Micechat. Please, spare us the "true Disney Employees" party line, it's not going to convince anybody.
                          "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
                          Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
                          imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

                          - Neil Gabler

                          "I didn't know the story of baby Jesus could be any better,
                          until Thor told it to me."
                          -
                          Young girl at Disneyland's 2017 Candlelight Ceremony

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                            • #34
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                              ^ And that is a bingo! Well said.
                              "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
                              Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
                              imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

                              - Neil Gabler

                              "I didn't know the story of baby Jesus could be any better,
                              until Thor told it to me."
                              -
                              Young girl at Disneyland's 2017 Candlelight Ceremony

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                                • #36
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                                  I don't know why my posts keep going under the Tang? reply, but oh well..."technical difficulties"...

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                                  • #37
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                                    Again, you are assuming Imagineers have never been Cast Members. MANY have. For those that haven't been, I agree that they need to experience the Operations side. It would make them better Imagineers. That's the point of an otherwise negative post.
                                    Many people can't see BIG PICTURE, just what personally affects them. It's unfortunate you've had so many negative Guest experiences. It sounds like that overshadows any good Guest experiences you've had. Because one Imagineer called one Cast Member an "operator" it makes all Imagineers disrespectful. Hmmmm. Did they see the name tag? Were they rushing to finish the attraction so Guests could enjoy it? Was the Cast Member paying attention? Maybe they have bad eyesight... What ever the reason, none of us know and shouldn't assume. Shame on anybody for judging. That's not our role.

                                    I'm enjoying the BLOG stuff. It is interesting to see what people actually believe.

                                    It is interesting to hear people generalizing where you shouldn't generalize.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by TodAZ1 View Post
                                      I would have to say that they still have to work on the merchandise available in the park...

                                      ...I know most of the merchandise issues I've stated are out George's hands and it's more of a Disney Parks issue (sell everything, everywhere - every store is, essentially, a Disney Store). But I think they really need to address this issue.
                                      Originally posted by Dustysage View Post
                                      This is absolutely one of the weak links at the resort right now and a holdover from the Paul Pressler era of generic mall mentality...
                                      ...The transformation of Disneyland from the Paul Pressler era back to Disneyland magic has been nearly completed. But this is one remaining hold-out that needs addressing.
                                      I agree on this and overall, I think George Kalogridis has been GREAT for the Disneyland Resort! But I would also love to see George, the management and creative staffs address the entertainment offerings in the park. I feel that this is another area of Disneyland that could use some attention.

                                      As discussed in a recent thread in the DLR Forum, the Fantasyland Theatre was designed for stage shows. While I don't begrudge having Princess-themed activities in the park (yes, Princesses are very popular and should have a presence), I wish a different space could be found for the Princess Fantasy Faire. This would allow theatrical stage shows to use the Fantasyland Theatre again.

                                      In addition, Aladdin's Oasis continues to go unused as an entertainment venue. And while the Festival Arena was recently brought to life for the Family Fun Weekends, I believe that came about to compensate for the lack of any parade offerings. Regarding parades, I was frustrated that there was no parade at Disneyland during the busy Spring Break period. In fact, by the time Soundsational opens, it will be nearly 5 months since a parade graced Main Street USA. Some of this was unavoidable due to the street repaving that is necessary for upkeep. But repaving was complete by the beginning of March and the masses of Spring Break visitors could have had some form of parade available to them.

                                      Anyway, I hope looking at the parks' entertainment is on George's radar as something to evaluate and hopefully strengthen--just as he has done with many other areas of the resort. The opening of Soundsational this summer is definitely a huge event and I'm very excited about it!! It's a big step in the right direction, but I hope more steps are taken down that same path.

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                                      • #39
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                                        Originally posted by whatsrealal View Post
                                        I'm enjoying the BLOG stuff. It is interesting to see what people actually believe.

                                        It is interesting to hear people generalizing where you shouldn't generalize.
                                        I don't know what people should believe. What should people be generalizing about?

                                        Is everything going so smoothly that nothing negative should be reported? Or maybe there are real problems?

                                        My feeling is these things are ongoing. Things happen, but not always; however, they are persistent. Nonetheless, people on the outside don't care unless there is an impact to their experience in the park. You only care if a ride doesn't work or a special effect fails and this seems to happen quite a bit these days.

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                                        • #40
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                                          Originally posted by whatsrealal View Post
                                          First, its funny that shill isn't even a word. Congratulations with your knowledge of the English language.
                                          From dictionary.com -

                                          –noun 1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.

                                          2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.



                                          I have no opinion about your general point - just that "shill" most definitely IS a real word.

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