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  • 3/8: The New Patriotism

    Kevin writes about the turn away from "re-living" experiences to just "watching" them, plus he offers a quick WDW photo update. Discuss it all here!
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  • #2
    I agree, the mirror is waaaaay too much for the size of the castle. I think from a perspective view it's about as large on the castle as the Coke neon sign is on Times Square. This was just my immediate response. I will put up a more articulated response to the primary topic soon.
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    • #3
      My immediate reaction - out loud, mind you - to the photo of the magic mirror was "Ooh! that's ugly!"

      Not a great move.


      • #4
        Too much bling bling on the WDW castle.

        Interesting article, Kevin. I can't believe I missed 'American Adventure' when I went to WDW a couple of years ago. D'oh!


        • #5
          I love the notion of using the WDW Castle just to show a framed picture of another Castle! Looks like a medieval real estate ad. It just needs "classic bavarian" added. Peter Pan and Wendy look like they were harpooned by Ned Land, kind of a golden taxidermy trophy collection kind of thing. They could have stopped decorating weeks ago and it would have been enough. If this was a Disney special, Paul Lynde would be designing it with Bobby Trendy. But hey, when it comes to Disney, "Enough is never enough" that's what I say. This decor thing is pure kitch. Having said all of that (just in fun) I admit... I like it :-)
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          • #6
            Ohhh that mirror is defintely too big!

            Great article Kevin!

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            • #7
              3/8 The New Patriosm

              My goodness - teh Gold leaf on that castle - why did'nt Eisner just wrap the castle up like a birthday cake again.

              Looks like the Evil Emperor was at it again with the gold paint - simply garish.

              Can disneyland's castle be saved from a similar fate??



              • #8
                Kevins Update


                How can anyone be this long winded about nothingness?

                The pictures of the castle are pretty cool though. The mirror was made that large so it could be seen at night down Main Street. Go at night and take a picture from the end of MS and you'll see the reasoning behind this decision.

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                • #9
                  The "Xerox factor" of rides just shows there is hardly any creativity left, or being stifled by the corporate goons . And yes, the hood ornament on the castle is tacky.
                  Why can't the company come up with something fresh? Golden Dreams was a nice show but, I saw it, been there done that. I feel I don't need to go see this again.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TDSTOM

                    How can anyone be this long winded about nothingness?

                    The pictures of the castle are pretty cool though. The mirror was made that large so it could be seen at night down Main Street. Go at night and take a picture from the end of MS and you'll see the reasoning behind this decision.


                    What do you mean? I thought it was good article about the difference between being part of the magic and simply watching it. As for the reason for the large mirror...well, it is ugly in my opinion and I could care less to see the bloody thing from the train station if it is just showcasing other castles. To me that is a huge failure in immersion right there. "Hi, you traveled all the way to Disney World where we are supposed to you sorround with a total fantasy world without time or real place... now, let us show you all the other places you could have gone!" Seriously, that takes you out of the illusion that you are in a complete world of fantasy and throws you back to the real world. Not good in my opinion.

                    I do agree, great pictures of the gilded (and in my opinion ugly) castle.



                    • #11
                      I think the mirror idea in general, is a great idea. But I'm thinking that they should have positioned in somewhere else. Perhaps near the hub or something... just not right on the Castle itself.
                      I'm blown away everytime I see pictures of Cinderellas Castle because I'm reminded of just how huge it is. And not having been to DisneyWorld in over 20 years, I've gotten used to Sleeping Beauty's Castle and by comparison, DW's castle is freakin' HUGE!!! Great article Kevin! You always have some great ideas for me to mull over and you present stuff that normally, I wouldn't even think about.
                      I only hope we never lose sight of one thing... that it was all started by a mouse!

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                      • #12
                        Sometimes I think people who have the good fortune to visit WDW regularly lose perspective on things. To me, the castle looks magnificent, the mirror looks awesome, and Peter Pan, Wendy, and the rest of the golden characters look absolutely delightful. I bet it will be spectacular at night. And I'm envious of anyone who gets to see it all since I don't have a WDW trip in my near future!


                        • #13
                          I dis-like the morror... Hopefully it will dissappear after the celebration.....

                          Great information & update... keep up the good work...


                          • #14
                            I agree with Kevin. There is something creepy about Wendy's smile. It makes me think of that photo someone linked to in the Paul Pressler thread (i.e., Linda Blair in the Exorcist).

                            As far as the change in how Disney attractions view history ... I'm not sure that it was a conscious decision to be PC ... maybe today's imagineers don't know any better ... er, different .....
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                            • #15
                              I have to agree with Kevin about the mirror being WAY too BIG! That thing just overshadows the castle and makes it Way too gawdy. It also looks painted on, All of the gold figures and thins of that nature look really fake. I thought they would give them a better gold tone than that!
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                              • #16
                                Judging from the way the castle looks, it's pretty obvious that Disney Imagineering mistakenly got rid of its truely talented, creative people and retained the non-creative hacks. The mirror is way to large no matter what the reasoning behind its size. At the very least, the size of the mirror, the "just a hint" of dressing on the turrets and omission of the opening dates changing along with the images as shown in the original concept art was a big mistake in my opinion. The whole thing is now already overdone (as are most things when phony untalented people who think they are really creative in their own minds take the helm.)


                                • #17
                                  That was a great analysis...

                                  I always found that DCA really doesn't reflect all of the California dream... That there are large pieces missing, including the tech industry... And there is very little sense of
                                  California's place in history, which has always been vast... But the Adventure is mostly in a here and now...

                                  But I would also like to include, as I have mentioned on this board elsewhere, that DL succeeds not in just that American history is relived, but is shared in a more "community" type experiance. The experiances listed where ment to be shared and talked about with friends and family. Most of the rides were created to allow an experiance to be shared by a larger group of people. We are not just idividuals reacting to what is going on stage, but we are reacting to eachother...

                                  This sense of community is beginning to get lost in attractions that either try to attract a mass market, or if not, on a directing people to share a mass market experiance... A good example of this is the addition of rides that are based on francise movies (Winnie the Pooh and Toy Story) or the production of movies based on the most popular of theme park rides (POTC and HM).

                                  It is also ever more unfortunate when the marketing scheme becomes invasive by stores at the end of the ride geared to profit off of your experiance...

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                                  The marketing campaign really focuses much of its attention on attracting people to WDW rather than California. And that the marketing budget to get people to WDW is geared toward WDW... I think it is an extension of a trend in the post 9/11 world toward accellerating NY centricism...

                                  To be honest with you, I thought that many of the additions WDW have added to the parks as "decoration" are eyesours... the characters on Cinderella's castle is a great example... But a better one is that Epcot sign about spaceship earth... I question wether these additions would be better focused on improving the parks by adding more emersive attractions in problem areas of their parks.
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                                  • #18
                                    Every time Disney "accentuates" a focal point(i.e. WDW 25th B-Day, the wand over spaceship earth, MGM's hub), it comes out looking horrible. You'd think they would have realized that by now.

                                    I don't think you've succeeded when you need to go to the end of main st, at night, take a picture, develop on an 8X10, but it has to be a full moon, then it looks good!


                                    • #19
                                      I was just wondering which characters are actually on the castle. Is that simply for the anniversary or is it for a show or what? Thanks.


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