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    Kevin Looks at Two Books, a DVD, and a Parade, Plus he offers a Mini-WDW Photo Update. Talk about it here!
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    Cool. It's not even there yet.

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    • #3
      Great article Kevin, as always.
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      • #4
        I was at Universal last year for mardi gras. It was so much fun, I would plan a trip around attending it...
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        • #5
          That tidbit about the opening scenes in POTC is amazing.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kevin
            For reasons I cannot fathom, they have it at Walt Disney World but not yet at the Anaheim park which is the subject of the book!
            This seems to be a frustrating, and ongoing, problem with Disney, the fact that Walt Disney World gets more attention than Disneyland, sometimes in a blatantly obvious way. For instance, who got Walt Disney's 100th birthday celebration? WDW. A park which Walt himself never saw to completion got ALL the attention while Disneyland, the park he personally oversaw from construction to grand opening, got nothing. Walt's presence can be felt just seeing the things he left behind at Disneyland like his apartment and Club 33, not to mention the many pictures that show him walking throughout the park.

            Then there's Disneyland's 50th Anniversary, the first Disney theme park to hit this milestone. But I bet if you asked a kid in Florida or Paris which park is celebrating it's 50th birthday, they'd say their own park! Very rarely is Disneyland mentioned, let alone for its 50th birthday, and to add insult to injury it seems that the other parks are getting more and better attractions for the event. It just boggles the mind why Disney sees the need to celebrate in every single park, let alone without even so much as mentioning the *reason* they are celebrating.

            So I believe this book's abscence at Disneyland, while being about Disneyland, is actually normal behavior for the current company. At all costs, they seem to ignore Disneyland and lavish WDW with attention and tourist-attracting rides.


            By the way, great column. I especially loved the trivia tidbits about Disneyland, they were SO interesting and original that I held on to every word. I simply had no clue about any of them!
            Last edited by Athlonacon; 04-07-2005, 08:45 AM.

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            • #7
              Should you guys really be promoting illegal DVDs that violate Disney copyright on this site?

              I am surprised MiceAge would take on that liability, as these discs, no matter how "nice" they are, are of copyrighted images the seller does not own.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Athlonacon
                This seems to be a frustrating, and ongoing, problem with Disney, the fact that Walt Disney World gets more attention than Disneyland, sometimes in a blatantly obvious way...

                So I believe this book's abscence at Disneyland, while being about Disneyland, is actually normal behavior for the current company. At all costs, they seem to ignore Disneyland and lavish WDW with attention and tourist-attracting rides.
                Another terrific article, Kevin...

                Athlonacon, I can see your point, but...

                Plenty of east coasters have similar feelings about WDW's "new" attractions. Honestly, I doubt anyone who's seen "Lights, Motors, Action" in previews will put it down as a classic - the driving skills are super, but 45 minutes of Opels nearly colliding gets pretty repetitive. The Indy show holds up a whole lot better. As for "Cinderellabration" and the fireworks - um, that happens pretty much every year. Maybe Everest will make DAK worth a repeat visit - Anaheim already has Soarin' and Indy (which may never make it to Florida), so I suppose it's just perspective.

                Of course, if you're interested in a time share, Reedy Creek has Cali pretty much beat...

                BTW, Mardi Gras @ Universal this year has been great... I went to plenty of Mardi Gras parades when I lived in Biloxi, and it was nice not dealing with the bead-chasers who've been drinking since Christmas. Of course, everybody watching at USF kept their shirts on...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by snowwhitesscaryadventures
                  Should you guys really be promoting illegal DVDs that violate Disney copyright on this site?

                  I am surprised MiceAge would take on that liability, as these discs, no matter how "nice" they are, are of copyrighted images the seller does not own.

                  SWSA
                  Good ethics point and not mine to decide for sure. I will say that if Miceage keeps promoting this DVD stuff, eventually the Disney legal team will perceive that it is more than just minor infractions and start to come after these guys. This AK thing looks prime. Maybe the best way to be sure there will always be DVDs of the rides is to try and keep it in the bulletin boards and off the main "radar screens" of the mouse. Just the way "Tough to be a Bug" was raved about for it's quality (especially being a film) reeks of typical Piracy. I guess I'm less worried about Inner Space being recreated in 3D as there are few takers for that niche product and he made the whole thing sans the soundtrack, but in-park ride videos are more competitive and feel dicey to me. I agree with Snow on this.

                  About Jeff Kurtti..
                  Quite a coup for Disney to get him on this book. In addition to his being a Disney Author, if you look close, his company makes DVD supplemental materials on lots of Disney movies like Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, even WB stuff like Robin Hood, Yankee Doodle Dandy, Around the World in 80 days, etc.etc. Quite a talent.
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                  • #10
                    For those interested, the Disney Seas and Disneyland Paris DVDs have been available on eBay in the past... and yes, you can pay via PayPal. I haven't seen the Animal Kingdom one listed. Here is the link for the Disneyland Paris DVD on eBay...
                    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1380&item=65220611 55&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

                    And here is the link for the Tokyo Disney Seas DVD...
                    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1380&item=65231212 02&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

                    I own both and can confirm that they are very professional in the quality produced... almost looks like something that Disney would do. The one thing that I found "annoying" was the use of a soundtrack. But that was just me.

                    On another subject... WDW has been producing very nice, if not excellent, DVDs on the individual parks. I have the Magic Kingdom, Epcot and Animal Kingdom volumes. The MGM one has not been released... yet. I think they are waiting for the official name change to the park.

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                    • #11
                      I just saw the trailers to the Tokyo and Paris DVDs and all I can say is, "WOW!". The pacing of these trailers is so incredibly good and the way the video syncs to the music is unbelievable. Make no mistake, these things are done with better pacing and emotion than MANY Hollywood trailers! It really brings back that classic Disneyland feeling when you first see the Paris trailer.

                      If this is a sign of how meticulous these DVDs were put together, I'd say they are well worth the $35. I was shocked with how professional this product really is. Like a few other people here, the legality kind of had me puzzled though. I once worked for a multimedia company and wanted to incorporate pictures of Sea World into the product with my digital camera, but I was told that *everything* in the park (including the animals) was copyright and I'd have to ask permission before I can use anything. It's a VERY minor point, and one that I just thought I'd bring up just for reference. I am so happy Ted created something like this, it really is something Disney should have taken the initiative to do. Very well done, Ted.

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                      • #12
                        Great column Kevin! I remember going to Test Track being somewhat difficult. This will be a nice addition.

                        The Art of Disneyland book sounds wonderful. I will have to add it to my list of things to buy.
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                        • #13
                          Great column as usual, Kev!!!
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                          • #14
                            Well...not ever going to be able to go in person to DAK I ordered the DVD...
                            probably will get the Diz Sea one as well.

                            If the Diz is smart, they'll hire the guy....but Diz gets most all my money anyway for just about everything else so if they have a complaint they can call and I'll show 'em the reciepts...come out with a like product and I'll buy it...this DVD isn't taking anything away from Diz $ registers...just adding to the legend.

                            Thanks Kevin for the tip.

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                            • #15
                              Immensely enjoyed the promos for the two books and the DVD, Kevin.

                              As there are plenty of unofficial Disney vacation guide books on the market (bookstores, etc.), there's certainly nothing wrong, copyright or otherwise, with DVD's of this nature, or books that focus on historical and educational facts.

                              There's narry a comment about the legitimacy of companies and author's turning a profit on unauthorized guide books, so why the hub bub from certain individuals over Disney oriented books that cover other topics of interest? It was quite nice of you, Kevin, to recommend that folks purchase Walt's People from Nibris.com (which you included a link to) so that the author would receive a greater percentage of the profits.

                              I look forward in hope that The Art of Disneyland will be offered at Disneyland in the future. It seems to me it would blend in with the 50th celebration at Walt's park perfectly. Ted Tabburo's Animal Kingdom DVD looks awesome too.
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                              • #16
                                Book at Disneyland???

                                From my last visit to Disneyland on March 28th, I found out that the books and CD set should be out by 5/05/05... the BIG day out here in Disneyland. There is plenty of retro-stuff out there at DL and DCA (pick up the Monorail game before they're gone), and the books and CDs should be there in a few weeks.

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                                • #17
                                  The description of the Mardi Gras parade at Universal sounded pretty much like any Mardi Gras parade I've been to in New Orleans, since I stay in the FAMILY FRIENDLY Uptown areas!! I had my sister and her family visit this year for the first weekend of the parades and her boys (8, 6, and 1) LOVED it. They were not exposed to ANYTHING that was close to inappropriate for them to see/hear/whatever.

                                  Kevin, you really should come to New Orleans for Mardi Gras some time (though if you bring a little one, stay uptown on the parade route,don't plan on doing the French Quarter bit, and consider coming the weekend BEFORE The weekend before Mardi Gras (just a little bit tamer and less crowded along the parade route)

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                                  • #18
                                    I just recently bought the Tokyo DisneySeas dvd off ebay. It came quickly and did not disappoint. The packaging, music, filming and editing were all top notch (at least as top-notch as a NON-official Disney filmer could do -- Indy is pretty much all shadows, but everything else is gorgeous, especially the Sinbad ride!). All lands are included in the dvd, as are all rides and pieces of most of the shows, restaurants, shops and hotel. $35 seems a very reasonable price all things considered.

                                    Ethically and legally...well, I'm guessing this isn't the sort of thing Disneylegal really wants floating around for sale. They own the copyrights to all of the rides and characters seen in these dvds, and do not like to let others play with or profit from them (as is their right). Such well-produced Disney-themed, non-Disney licensed products also create the very real threat of negative feedback/comparisons to their (eventual) "officially licensed" versions, and possibly diminishes sales on any current or future dvd versions of these park tours (although - let's be honest here - the only folks that would bother to buy these bootleg park dvds are Disney collectors and enthusiasts, the type of folks that would also buy the "official" dvds without hesitation). Another 'fear' Disney may have is that if one can simply sit in the crowd-free comfort of their own home and 'visit' all the parks and 'ride' all the rides, why would they bother to spend thousands of dollars to do so in the real thing? This seems less realistic though, as the dvds -- although quite complete -- still leave the viewer hungry and anxious to experience the 'real thing' for themselves. I know that if and when I finally get to TDS, you'd best believe I'll spend more than a couple of hours (the dvd's running time) exploring the park!
                                    That said, Disney is sure to put the kibosh on this real soon. Cease and desist letters are probably already en route. Hell, if they were able to accidentally make a martyr out of Jim Hill (as least in the mind of Jim Hill) for his unofficial DL tours, I think it's safe to say they'll be taking an interest in these dvds. So head on over to ebay and buy up your copies of these little digital diamonds before The Mouse makes it impossible! Your conscience will not bother you half as much for purchasing them as your collector's mentality will if you don't!
                                    Last edited by stalking lily chou-chou; 04-10-2005, 10:05 AM.
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                                    • #19
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                                      Ethically and legally, I respectfully disagree with stalking lily chou-chpi, above. Jim Hill made an unfortunate professional error by beginning his tours at the same spot the official Disneyland tours disembarked from - the Tour Guide Garden. A marter he is not. He did make a marter of Lance Hart over at Screamscape when he contemptuously attacked Hart over his Western River Expedition rumor.

                                      In terms of unofficial Disney books, DVD's and websites, the Company and its Disneylegals are certainly not going to send the world crashing down on them - especially over somebody like Hill. Disney has its corporate hands full as it is with both sides of Walt's family (as represented by Roy and Abby Disney), internal management problems, faltering relationships with stablizing companies such as Pixar, plunging profit margins, and horrible overall PR.
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                                      • #20
                                        RIDE WARRIOR said: "Jim Hill made an unfortunate professional error by beginning his tours...A marter he is not."

                                        Just for the record, I was being sarcastic when I mentioned Disney "accidentally making a martyr out of Jim Hill." That's why I immediately followed that line up with "at least in the mind of Jim Hill."

                                        RIDE WARRIOR said: "In terms of unofficial Disney books, DVD's and websites, the Company and its Disneylegals are certainly not going to send the world crashing down on them - especially over somebody like Hill. Disney has its corporate hands full as it is with both sides of Walt's family (as represented by Roy and Abby Disney), internal management problems, faltering relationships with stablizing companies such as Pixar, plunging profit margins, and horrible overall PR."

                                        I don't think you're correct there. I think that, busy or not, Disneylegal still keeps up with their copyright protection. Just a week or two ago, someone on these boards tried to make/sell a board-themed t-shirt ('Where in the Disneyworld' or something similar), and had the link pulled within a day or two. If Disneylegal attends the Miceage chatroom, I think it's safe to assume they also glance at the actual Miceage webpage.

                                        Now, as an aside/disclaimer/full disclosure, I tend to side with the makers of quality Disney-themed, not necessarily Disney-licensed merch (like the dvds reviewed by Kevin) in discussions such as this. If Disney is too cheap or lacks the vision or is simply unwilling to make similarly memorable mementos, I'll give my cash to the folks that will. I do not see it as the same thing as buying bootleg 'Little Mermaid' dvds, as these park dvds have never been available via Disney. Should Disney decide to create a similar product, I'll gladly -- obsessively -- buy that too!
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