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  • 4/21: Rabbits, Turtles & Cars

    Guest columnist Alain Littaye catches you up on Disneyland Paris news and rumors. Discuss it all here!
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  • #2
    All the additions are good choices, but too much Pixar

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    • #3
      It sounds like they have upgraded their plans for the toon studio from the last time we got news about it. the new artwork looks much more promising.
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      • #4
        Just a few things to add...

        The Little Mermaid Dark ride was originally to go between IASW and Star Tours - this space wasn`t reserved for Toontown. Pizzeria della Notte was originally to neighbour The Beauty and the Beast stage show (the original version, not the MGM version)

        20k in TDS is a dark ride where the water isn`t created by lighting effects, it uses dry for wet technology. The lighting just enhances it.

        WDSP`s ToT won`t be Twilight Zoned themed - this has been confirmed.

        The space in Discoveryland opposite Le Visionarium and the Constellations shop was created for a Verne themed resteraunt, sharing a common kitchen with The Plaza Gardens Resteraunt.

        Splash Mountain in a hybrid (even watercoaster) form has been popping up for years. Winter running isn`t considered a problem - just reduce the splash, as they do in Tokyo`s harsh winters.

        The space between Indy & The Temple and PotC was the original plot for the original EMV ride, going back to 1989 - way before DLC plans got going for Indy - a Jeep trek through the jungle to make up for Paris` lack of Jungle Cruise. The cost was too much, so the EMV was mothballed until it got upgraded for Indy DLC.

        Here`s looking forward to DLP`s 20th birthday!

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        • #5
          hmm....I would vote for a original EMV.....

          that watercoaster idea......

          (alien encounter... hehe)

          and hmm.... something for Fantasy land.... (My 10 year plan would rock the park..)

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          • #6
            Thank you Alain. It will be most interesting to see what they do with Toon Studios.

            Since the first picture of it shows the Tuck and Roll Bumper Cars and clovers from DCA and that last picture shows the American SW desert, I would guess that they have simply changed the theme from Bugs to Cars.

            They should enclose the Toon Studios like they did with the Mermaid Lagoon in Tokyo.
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            • #7
              As much as I hate Pixar taking over every Disney park in the world, I do like the Cars-themed attraction and I honestly wish they would replace Disneyland Anaheim's Autopia with it. It would be so cool to have the cars talk to you and have personality and character. The Chevron mascot cars haven't been seen in commercials for years and it really makes the attraction feel old. But this is one of those rare cases where Pixar's films actually fit *seamlessly* within Disneyland. Of course, they couldn't really fit in a Cars overlay on the current Autopia because Tomorrowland is already evolving into Pixarland as it is. But if TDA were smart, they'd drop the Nemo theme on the subs (Nemo has nothing to do with Tomorrowland anyway, I'm thinking they'll switch the Subs over to Fantasyland?), and then use Cars to retheme the Autopia.

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              • #8
                Dlp

                Ok the thing is, Pixar is most likely popular in DLP I say do anything to gt more people over to DLP Get more publicity :monkey:

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                • #9
                  It's sad to see so much Pixar in the parks, but that's where the majority of Disney's good (and profitable) ideas have come from in the last decade. Commercial flops and underperformers have pretty much sealed the deal for adding Pixar properties to the parks. The only exception to this rule that I can think of is Stich, which, while being a good movie, it didn't pull in nearly the ammount the Pixar movies have. What's a shame is, periods when Disney's own offerings were dull in year's past, Imagineering offered it's own unique properties (Country Bears, Figment, America Sings, Captian EO, etc). Right now, they're not really doing that.
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                  • #10
                    I think a few of his observations are a little hopeful. The cars attraction are clearly bumber cars and the nemo ride is a spinning Mad mouse coaster. These plans were announced a while back except they had Tuck and roll buggies instead of the cars bumber cars.

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                    • #11
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dustysage
                          They should enclose the Toon Studios like they did with the Mermaid Lagoon in Tokyo.
                          So much of the park is already indoors. I know that the weather can get bad, but souldn't some of the park be outside?
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                          • #14
                            How interesting. The Nemo ride sounds really cool...I'm jealous.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by loaloa
                              Hello, Alain Littaye, here

                              O-Kay, Let's answer to Imagineer 1985, now, and to all of you who think that the "cars" attraction will be "bumper cars".
                              Now, let's just think one minute, being in the head of the DLP CEO. What's his goal, here ? To bring back more people in the parks, okay? So, what will YOU do for this, if you had to choose? Spend your money in "bumper cars" and an old ride system like the mad mouse coasters?
                              Now, i can tell you, as my infos are from the "horse's mouth" that Nemo will NOT be a mad mouse coaster or a roller coaster. you 'll probably have a drop or two, but you really can expect an "e-ticket" or at least, a very good "d-ticket". As for cars, i may be wrong with my GPS speculations,but no bumper cars for the studios, that's sure......except if they want to suicide themselves. Can you imagine just one minute the press articles all over europe if they do a bumper cars attraction? it would destroy all their marketing efforts.
                              I dunno we've heard from numerous sources that they would be putting in bumper cars (technicaly they are a bit different from regular bumper cars because they arn't powered from the ceiling)

                              I don't think Aquatopia/Pooh's Hunny Hunt runs off of GPS that would be way to impracticaly (GPS stands for global positioning satalite or something like that) they might run of of another form of tracking but I doubt it involves satilites or global anything, most likly just several different tracking senosors and devices local to the area it's used and the cars are controled remotly (much more practical then space, your following the cars in a small area they won't be driving em away from the park)

                              from what I understand toon studios is just supposed to up the ride count, so it might have a bunch of filler and one decent darkride (ToT will top it off, so this stratagy will be similar to DCA adding a bugs land and then putting in ToT)
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                              • #16
                                Rabbits, Turtles and Cars - Oh My!

                                Rabbits, Turtles and Cars - Oh My!
                                Hopping, Spinning and Tooting - Oh My!

                                The "follow the rabbit" to Easter Village diversion should prove to be great fun for the little egg nabbers. Aliens of the Deep is a dazzling 3-D delight - a perfect initial film for the new IMAX theatre. How breathtaking it would be to view the Eiffel Tower from the area where the captive balloon keeps bobbing up and down. I'll bet you can't see the Earful Tower at WDW from that point though. Now that's what I call a Hidden Mickey.

                                Wo-o-o-o dude! Riding the East Australian ocean current thru the 4 minute in length Finding Nemo attraction on the back of a spinning turtle would present some major thrillage! Adding a whole new deminsion to the dark ride genre is the "dry for wet" creative environment. I wonder if animatronics will be incorporated into the experience.

                                Your claim is moot, Alain, in your assertion that Walt Disney Studios' Nemo will be completely unique, while Disneyland's soon to be confirmed (on May 5th) Nemo subs will essentially add up to little more than a fefurbishment. BOTH RIDES WILL BE HIGHLY UNIQUE. Besides, there just might be some unannounced surprises in store inside the the lagoon cave. From the technological/artistic standpoint, DCA's long rumored Little Mermaid dark ride concept will, with any luck, be more like WDS's Nemo.

                                Pretty clever and insightful of you, Alain, where you conjectured about the PIXAR Cars based "traffic school" attraction. I think you are dead-on correct about the cars talking and travelling non-uniformly in different directions via trackless computerized remote control.

                                Mickey's Philharmagic's coming to DLP is, in all likelyhood, a done deal - at sometime in the not so distant future. From what I have heard, the Company's intention from the onset was to build a theater at each of their resorts, including the Disneyland resort.

                                What really intrigues me is the old Western River Expedition concept replacing The Song of the South as the new theme for a future Splash Mountain at DLP. You just can't keep a good notion down forever.

                                Now about that Space Mountain 2 music track. Just when is somebody going to hook us up with a functioning link?

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                                  • #18
                                    Thanks for the update Alain.
                                    Some great food for thought. The only thing that concerns me is the possible language problems with Philarmagic - I'm not very familiar with the MK version, so I can't be sure how much dialog there is in it but we don't need another HISTA style overdub/headphones mess.

                                    As long as the Cars attraction isn't carnie bumpers, I think the imagineers will do something decent.


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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by loaloa
                                      O-Kay, Let's answer to Imagineer 1985, now, and to all of you who think that the "cars" attraction will be "bumper cars".
                                      Now, let's just think one minute, being in the head of the DLP CEO. What's his goal, here ? To bring back more people in the parks, okay? So, what will YOU do for this, if you had to choose? Spend your money in "bumper cars" and an old ride system like the mad mouse coasters?
                                      Well, I'm not saying your sources are incorrect, but I'm not putting my faith with current Disney management that they have enough common sense to build something good. They didn't have that common sense when building the studios in the first place.

                                      Originally posted by loaloa
                                      The last one is for THRILLER ( or just Tony) : dear Tony, i'm sorry, but i would never sacrify cinemagique, probably the attraction in the park done with the more subtlty, intelligence, humor, etc...a little bit more of in-theatre special effects would have been probably even better, but the movie is a sensitive tribute to cinema history.
                                      I agree with you on that. The problem I have with Cinemagique however, is that it has nearly no repeatability at all. I saw it twice now, and while I liked it, someone would litterally have to drag me into the show building to see it a third time. It's just not worth it anymore when the surprises are gone. And since themeparks really need to rely on repeat guest visits, I think this is a bad attraction for the park...
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                                      • #20
                                        Hello again,

                                        a little answer for "thriller": dear thriller, i agree with you that when animagique secrets have been revealed after the first vision, it's not the same.if you're ( or anybody) going in the park each month, it's probably too short time from the previous vision to do it again and again. however, i think that for somebody who don't go to the park too often ( each six months, let's say) it's possible to see it again, particularly because of the intelligence with which it has been done.

                                        And, about the common sense of disney management, you are right , and the building concept of the WDS could be a good example , BUT it was chosen by another management, under another CEO, etc.....and, believe me, the new management AND the imagineers have now perfectly realised the mistake they've done. So, i'm sure that they are not going to do the same mistake twice, especially at the WDS , which are their main problem to resolve. I mean, the biggest problem of the resort, right now, is to have people coming back ( or simply coming!) at the WDS. They MUST resolve this problem, it's crucial for the future of the resort.Everybody now this, you, me, the imagineers, DLR CEO and all his staff, etc....EVERYBODY is aware of that. Now, do you really think that, with all the lucidity they all have of the problem, they are going to spend millions of euros with cheap attractions?
                                        What i'm trying to say is that there is a minimum of logical in life, and even at DLR. They are going to spend nearly 300 millions of dollars in the new attractions ( 220 M euros) Where will they go? in cheap old fun fair like attractions which would be at the end destructive for the studios because once again they will not reach the guests expectations? Cmon! it won't make any sense...they know that they MUST built some really good quality attractions, even if there is two or three kind of "tickets" ( and nemo will surely be the "d" or "e" ticket of the toon studios). It's nearly a matter of life or death for the resort, they just can't miss this one. And for all these reasons, and also because they have the money needed for good quality rides, this is why i think it will be good at the end.
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