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  • 10/3: Goodbye Sawyer, Hello Sparrow

    Tom Sawyer Island Changes Theme, The Rest of the Plans for DCA, Monorail Reroute, More... I just know you are going to want to discuss all this here!

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    Last edited by Al Lutz; 10-03-2006, 07:52 AM.
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    Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

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    • #3
      Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

      Wow, an awful lot to consider. I'll leave the bombshell (ROA) alone for now till I've thought about it some. What really excites me is the little offhand comment that accompanied the picture of Tomorrowland. Could it really be possible that the Rocket Jets might return? Getting rid of that eyesore AstroOrbiter and putting the ride back in its proper place would be an answer to my prayers!
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      • #4
        Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

        Hmmmmm..... Wow...

        Though I have to say that Pirates are actually an older historical period than Huck Finn, they just have a great movie to promote them. Could a Huck Finn movie be made that is as good as Pirates... I doubt it, the story is great (one of my favorites) but it's just not as exciting. If they did make a Huck Finn movie as exciting as the pirate movie it would be so radically different from the story that I wouldn't like it. I'm excited to see the new pirate island.

        DCA changes sound great, especially the villains "spook alley" theme for California Screaming.... The whole "surfer" thing seems stupid and tacked on.

        The curse was true!!! I am living in interesting times.
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        • #5
          Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

          Wow, what an update Al. Thanks.
          I know a lot of folks have a hard time dealing with change at DL. I only can afford to go there about once or twice a decade. I haven't bothered with Tom Sawyer Island in years. A make over would be great. I liked DCA when I was there last but it could be better. I think the changes that sre coming will be great. Anyway Al, keep up the good work. Hope to be back in 2008.

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          • #6
            Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

            *Holds up hand*

            "Recoil in horror?" That would be me. Might as well bulldoze the castle next because the locale would make such a great E ticket Pirate Fortress Coaster. In fact, why not have the WHOLE FRICKIN PARK BE ABOUT NOTHING BUT FRICKIN PIRATES!

            ARE THEY INSANE????????

            *Working on my bloodpressure. I need to calm down before writing more...thinking happy thoughts....*

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            • #7
              Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

              Thanks for the update. While I liked Tom Sawyer as a kid, I think the Pirate Island will be better than the falling apart neutered thing we have in the middle of the Rivers of America right now.

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                Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                WOW, so much take in. don't know what to say. =)

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                • #9
                  Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                  I miss the BBQ too, Al. Oh how I miss those beef brisket sandwiches with the big corn on the cob on a stick! Pass the wetnaps...

                  Thanks for the great update! I always look forward to them.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                    Originally posted by localdisnyfan View Post
                    *Holds up hand*

                    "Recoil in horror?" That would be me. Might as well bulldoze the castle next because the locale would make such a great E ticket Pirate Fortress Coaster. In fact, why not have the WHOLE FRICKIN PARK BE ABOUT NOTHING BUT FRICKIN PIRATES!
                    True, but a cool modern makeover of the island would be totally awesome. It seems the only way such a thing will happen is if they tie it to a modern... uh... merchandis-able thingie.

                    So either it's Pirates or Princesses. I am glad they are going with Pirates.

                    On other topics, I am really psyched to hear that Philharmagic is coming. If they would only stick Figment in DCA I might never want to go to WDW again.

                    That said, I will miss Muppetvision. I still check it out on every single trip to DCA (or DMGM.) Maybe they will open a new muppet attraction.

                    ANYTHING.

                    Even a muppet themed hot dog stand would be OK.
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                      Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                      Originally posted by localdisnyfan View Post
                      "Recoil in horror?" That would be me. Might as well bulldoze the castle next because the locale would make such a great E ticket Pirate Fortress Coaster. In fact, why not have the WHOLE FRICKIN PARK BE ABOUT NOTHING BUT FRICKIN PIRATES!
                      Thought it was just me. Soon we'll just call it Walt Disney's Magic Pirate Kingdom.

                      I'm a big fan of the pirate movies, but enough is enough.

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                      • #12
                        Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                        thomas is slackjawed.




                        shocking.




                        what to say?
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                        • #13
                          Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                          What a sad commentary on our youth if they do not know who Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn are.

                          I took my 13 year old granddaughter to DL last June (her first trip) she was enchanted with TSI and we spent quite a bit of time there...which, for me, also brought back wonderful memories of wandering it with my two boys.

                          Everything does not have to themed to today...everything does not have to have bells and whistles and be "interactive"...sometimes simpler is better...at least in one little corner of the park.
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                            Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                            So....if they really want this Pirate Island thing to work, let's look at what is going to be thrown on the scrap heap:

                            1) The Mark Twain - Although you could stretch and pretend that the ROA are still part of the Mississippi, the ROA just became the Gulf of Mexico, so the Mark Twain is really in the way with the wrong themeing. Not too many Riverboats were heading out to sea back then. And why not have TWO pirate ships to take people around Pirate Island.

                            2) The Rivers of America - Must be renamed as something else. I'm sure they'll come up with something very nifty.

                            3) Frontierland - Once you ditch the Mark Twain, you might as well ditch the Golden Horseshoe and Shooting Gallery. "Pirateland" would be so much more effective.

                            4) Trees - Say goodbye to all of the tall trees on that side of the park. What we'll need is tons of sand and palm trees.

                            I still can't believe I just read that in Al's update. When it comes down to it, it's all about marketability and bilking the guests for every last dime. If the island is not generating enough traffic, out it goes.

                            Whatever. :bang:
                            Last edited by Mac Daddy; 10-03-2006, 06:43 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                              Wow, 650 million dollars. The DL resort looks like it's getting the love it so desperately needs to bring it up to where it needs to be. I can only hope that once they've got DCA fixed that they can turn their attention back to WDW. We need some massive makeovers of a ton of areas over here. I'd love to see that kind of budget be spread over even the three older parks alone. They don't need the massive re-branding that DCA does, but they need a lot of maintenance, some massive refurbs, and Epcot still needs a lot of money in an updated UoE, an operating WoL, and something new in the World Showcase with a ride attached would be wonderful.

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                              • #16
                                Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                                Originally posted by ssturgeo View Post
                                What a sad commentary on our youth if they do not know who Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn are.
                                My kids do know who they are. Perhaps sending them to private schools when they were younger was worth the money after all.

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                                • #17
                                  Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

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                                  • #18
                                    Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                                    Originally posted by ssturgeo View Post
                                    ...everything does not have to have bells and whistles and be "interactive"...sometimes simpler is better...at least in one little corner of the park.
                                    Agreed. I find that stuff to be boring. Our game console at home does a better job of being "interactive".

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                                      Heck of an update. Thanks Al.

                                      I need sleep so I'll be brief right now.

                                      DCA plans sound great. It's sad that Muppets will go, but I've heard good things about Philharmagic, even though I'm no fan of CG.

                                      The Pier plans have me beathing a sigh of relief. As a long time fan of the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk, I much prefer theming it to the glory days of coastal parks. It already did kind of work in that respect, but added theming sounds good. I'm not a coaster nut (only ridden Disneylands), but the Villian theming sounds cool. Though hopefully they don't change the Mickey head or other things. From a distance, I actually like the look of PP. especially at night. This is much better than the Pixar Pier previously reported.

                                      I've gotten used to how DCA looks at the moment, but I must say that the new place making ideas could really make the place spakle and look and feel more Disney.

                                      The return of Tomorrowland Terrence was much appreciated. I was there Sunday, and my friend and I bowed in front of the stage in reverence, much to some onlookers amusment. I never had much against Club Buzz, but this feels so much more "right".

                                      On the downside, I'm not too thrilled with the Pirate makeover. I agree that enough is enough. To change such a large piece of Disneyland landscape would be a shock to the system. Especially since a tropic island doesn't entirely fit in with NOS and Frontierland.

                                      Tom Sayer island is a shadow of it's former self, I'll admit. It's nice to see the caves and bridges are nice. But I miss teeter totter rock and especially Fort Wilderness. It'd sadden me to see the whole thing go.

                                      Even more so would be the demolishion of the Disneyland Hotel. As I explained in another thread, i hold the hotel nearly as dearly as Disneyland. To see it completely torn down, no matter how grand the replacement, would forever leave a huge hole in the resort for me. The resort just wouldn't be the same.

                                      I'd probably not shed any tears over the Paradise Pier outside of Yamibuki though. I've never stayed there, though I have shopped there. As long as Yamibuki became part of it's replacement, I'd probably not mind it.

                                      I'm all for the new resorts, but please, just give the Disneyland Hotel the tender loving care it deserves. She still can be the Grand Dame she was.

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: 10/3: Goodbye Saywer, Hello Sparrow

                                        Originally posted by localdisnyfan View Post
                                        *Holds up hand*

                                        "Recoil in horror?" That would be me. Might as well bulldoze the castle next because the locale would make such a great E ticket Pirate Fortress Coaster. In fact, why not have the WHOLE FRICKIN PARK BE ABOUT NOTHING BUT FRICKIN PIRATES!
                                        This seems like such a strange overreaction to me. A lot of people seem to be echoing this sentiment, but I think it's just in reaction to the amount of promotion Pirates has had over the summer.

                                        I mean, you're complaining that the entire park is being overwhelmed by Pirates, but there's what, one ride and a few shops? What's the purpose of getting upset about that? The park isn't switching to an all-Pirates-all-the-time theme or anything. It's one ride, a few shops, and now they're thinking of expanding the theme to one other area, a dilapidated and largely ignored part of the park that desperately needs an overhaul.

                                        Besides which, in addition to being totally irrelevant to Disneyland visitors in 2006, Tom Sawyer Island is basically falling apart. If they remake it into a Pirate fortress, it's going to suddenly be a relevant and fun and vital part of the park again.

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