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    Kevin reviews the Toy Story musical and has safety questions about the Disney Cruise Line, discuss it here.

    DIRECT ARTICLE LINK: http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky052008a.htm
    "Politics is the profession whereby the inevitable is made to seem a great human achievement" - Quentin Crisp

  • #2
    Once again, the information regarding Disney Cruise Line is simply wrong. From the opening paragraph:

    "and it comes hard on the heels of the well-received "The Golden Mickeys" and last year's addition, the award-winning "Disney Dreams" show"

    Sorry, both shows have been around for years. Disney did introduce some minor enhancements to the Disney Dreams show in 2007, but calling the show a "new addition" is not even close.

    This greatly reminds me of the article recounting Kevin's first trip on the Disney Cruise Line wherein he complained that he felt out of place in the dining rooms by only having casual clothes despite the fact that the dress code is given to guests in writing and available on their website.

    The absurdity continues further on:

    "I find myself wishing they would just build a jetty and completely enclose the snorkeling lagoon. Make it a giant outdoor saltwater aquarium, rather than connected to the real ocean. At least then it would be safe"

    Yes, there is zero chance of an accident happening around water once that jetty is built! Of course, we can truly expect people to be safe when they drink alcohol and then go swimming so long as we manage to keep the sharks away. Again, much like the previous rant about not knowing the dress code, guests are still expected to take their brain with them on vacation.

    Sorry, but an ocean is an ocean. The signs clearly tell guests to be careful and they also spell out the risks. It is really ludicrous for anyone to assume that even Disney could control everything that can happen in the ocean. Instead of looking ahead to what may happen in the future, I would welcome any facts or actual reports of shark and barracuda attacks from the past at Castaway Cay?

    Do anyone actually read the press-releases and other information given out or do they simply make the "facts" up as they go along? Should we really trust the review of someone who gets it wrong from the opening paragraph? Sorry, but the credibility of this reporter continues to slip. Clearly, his style of reporting is similar to another well known Disney Blogger, where the facts are not relevant to the story as long as there is an opportunity for you to bash certain aspects of the Walt Disney company.
    Last edited by Disneynut; 05-20-2008, 07:36 AM.

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    • #3
      Re: 5/20: Shows & Sharks

      There is no such thing as safety, ever. Perhaps we should all become shut-ins.

      Maybe the lifegaurd was so calm as to not inspire panic in the guests?

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      • #4
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        Wow - you never go swimming at all on the Atlantic Beachs in Florida? Never gone snorkling in open water?

        Lots of misinformation feeding hysteria here.. sheez.

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        • #5
          Re: 5/20: Shows & Sharks

          Disappointed in the article as well. Read the review of Toy Story Musical and I'm thinking, ok, Disney messed up. Then continue and read a mass histeria piece that had me laughing through each word. It almost made me start doubting your review from the first part of the article. Almost, I still trust your ride and show reviews.

          Just remember that you have a greater chance of being hurt in line waiting for the teacups then you do in the ocean at Castaway Cay.

          By the way, did you enjoy your most recent cruise?
          Last edited by socalkdg; 05-20-2008, 06:48 AM.

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          • #6
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            Its the friggin ocean, if you don't want to experience marine life you should stay in the pool. I never understand this attitude that we own the ocean and should never expect to see its inhabitants show up in their own home. If you enter into the ocean you're entering their domain. I don't care if you're in ankle deep water or worse, you're in the domain of wildlife.

            And isn't part of the appeal to snorkeling so that you can see the wildlife? There was a reason the lifeguard wanted the people to remain quiet. The shark was no danger (and yes people can easily identify them from above the water if they're trained) so there was no need to cause hysteria. I'm reminded of an experience I had on my local beach (when I lived in Fort Walton) a few years ago. We were on the beach relaxing when a man began screaming at the top of his lungs that there was a shark in the water and getting into a huge panic. (This was a few months after a real shark attack a few miles down so it was understandable). I looked out and immediately saw what he (some guy from up north who didn't know the ocean) saw and realized what he saw swimming through was not a shark, but a dolphin which was completely harmless.

            There was harm caused however. This man inspired a major panic, people began pouring into the shore any way they could whether they were going over other people or not. Several people were injured in this malaise of mass panic over something that wasn't a big deal. Now I don't hold any ill will for that man thinking he saw a shark, it was understandable and if it really had been a dangerous shark I'd have wanted people to be warned, but it wasn't and it caused harm. So why should the lifeguards get in a huge panic over something that wasn't dangerous. People are afraid of sharks whether they're dangerous or not and if they started going around panicking before long everyone's worked up in a panic. They acted like professionals.

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            • #7
              Re: 5/20: Shows & Sharks

              your scared of the ocean....


              have you never swam in "open water"?

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              • #8
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                Hm, complete agreement from the online comments so far that the shark/barracuda/ray sightings were nothing to worry about.

                Of course I swim in the open ocean. I expect that to contain dangers. The difference is, people don't expect *Disney* to contain dangers. Maybe I should have started with the stuff on page three, rather than put it at the end.
                Kevin Yee
                MiceAge Columnist

                I am the author of several Disney books:
                Jason's Disneyland Almanac - a daily history of Disneyland
                Walt Disney World Hidden History - tributes, homages, and ride remnants at WDW
                Your Day at the Magic Kingdom
                Mouse Trap
                Tokyo Disney Made Easy
                101 Things You Never Knew About Disneyland
                Magic Quizdom (The Disneyland Trivia Book)

                “The press [should be] a watchdog. Not an attack dog. Not a lapdog. A watchdog. Now, a watchdog can't be right all the time. He doesn't bark only when he sees or smells something that's dangerous. A good watchdog barks at things that are suspicious.” – Dan Rather

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                • #9
                  Re: 5/20: Shows & Sharks

                  Umm, Kevin, they don't do parasailing in Huntington Beach. It must be illegal here, because if it wasn't they would probably be doing it.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 5/20: Shows & Sharks

                    Originally posted by Disneynut View Post
                    This greatly reminds me of your first trip on the Disney Cruise Line where you complained that you felt out of place in the dining rooms by only having casual clothes despite the fact that the dress code was given to you in writing and available on their website.
                    Here's what I wrote, verbatim, from that long-ago article. I think that the above quote misrepresents what I had written:

                    [start quote of old article]


                    • The materials sent by mail before the cruise were woefully inadequate.
                    Kevin Yee
                    MiceAge Columnist

                    I am the author of several Disney books:
                    Jason's Disneyland Almanac - a daily history of Disneyland
                    Walt Disney World Hidden History - tributes, homages, and ride remnants at WDW
                    Your Day at the Magic Kingdom
                    Mouse Trap
                    Tokyo Disney Made Easy
                    101 Things You Never Knew About Disneyland
                    Magic Quizdom (The Disneyland Trivia Book)

                    “The press [should be] a watchdog. Not an attack dog. Not a lapdog. A watchdog. Now, a watchdog can't be right all the time. He doesn't bark only when he sees or smells something that's dangerous. A good watchdog barks at things that are suspicious.” – Dan Rather

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                    • #11
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                      I was at the edge of my seat reading this article...

                      "The barracuda dogged us for some time, shadowing us, moving away when we went toward it."

                      I've spent a lot of time in the ocean, but I have never been "dogged" by a barracuda. I think you're giving fish way too much credit!

                      Kevin, better stick to the aquarium at EPCOT! At least those lethal fish are behind the plastic where we are all safe! Whew!

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                      • #12
                        Re: 5/20: Shows & Sharks

                        Originally posted by KevinYee View Post
                        Here's what I wrote, verbatim, from that long-ago article. I think that the above quote misrepresents what I had written:

                        [start quote of old article]


                        • The materials sent by mail before the cruise were woefully inadequate.
                        I do not believe my above referenced quote misrepresents the discussion that followed after the first review of the Disney Cruise Line. The sentence starts off "NICE DINING ATTIRE". The article further went on to state "

                        I am unsure of how this would lead any guest to believe that jeans and a t-shirt is acceptable dinner attire.

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                        • #13
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                          I agree with most of the comments so far. Are you kidding me? It's the ocean. I can almost see what he was trying to get at. People feel safer because it has the Disney name. But where I see the real issue as, people feel safer to a fault and they should still act like they are in the real world. The article seemed to say that not only should you feel safer but you should be safer and real world matters, like sea creatures, should be controlled. Which is false. They can make it as safe as possible, but there are always risks and people should be aware of that.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 5/20: Shows & Sharks

                            Originally posted by ersatzrainfactory View Post
                            They can make it as safe as possible, but there are always risks and people should be aware of that.
                            I understand your message completely. My question then becomes, and it's what Page Three of the article implicitly asks, is whether Disney wants to risk that.

                            Let's say they do the Night Kingdom boutique park, and someone falls to his death on a zip line. Won't Disney reap negative press?

                            Or let's stay on Castaway Cay. If there does happen to be a death by ray or shark, or even just a mauling, wouldn't that be some pretty negative press for Disney? I mean, negative beyond even the extent of the incident itself. I would worry that the *brand itself* might take a hit.

                            If Disney no longer equals safe family fun, they've got a major, major problem.

                            I'm aware that nothing has happened *yet* at Castaway Cay, but I'm not sure I'd be so blase about that. The Columbia rotted for years at Disneyland, and managers being blase about it got someone killed.

                            See the Dan Rather quote in my signature file for why I think it's important to at least point out Disney's move toward authenticity (and thus danger).
                            Kevin Yee
                            MiceAge Columnist

                            I am the author of several Disney books:
                            Jason's Disneyland Almanac - a daily history of Disneyland
                            Walt Disney World Hidden History - tributes, homages, and ride remnants at WDW
                            Your Day at the Magic Kingdom
                            Mouse Trap
                            Tokyo Disney Made Easy
                            101 Things You Never Knew About Disneyland
                            Magic Quizdom (The Disneyland Trivia Book)

                            “The press [should be] a watchdog. Not an attack dog. Not a lapdog. A watchdog. Now, a watchdog can't be right all the time. He doesn't bark only when he sees or smells something that's dangerous. A good watchdog barks at things that are suspicious.” – Dan Rather

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                            • #15
                              Re: 5/20: Shows & Sharks

                              Boy Kevin is sure overreacting here. He sounds paranoid as if most oceans do not have living creatures in close proximity of humans.

                              Obviously the lifeguard did right in not creating a panic, i could just imagine the consequences of some over excited person yelling shrak while dozens of children and women got trampeled or tramautized.

                              Obviously these people or preofesionals and know what they are doing.

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