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  • krystledm
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    ur gonna laugh....I own it!

    I have not seen it!

    what happened is my mom paid a crud load of money for an old VHS from Eurpoe for me for Christmas.

    She gave it to me, i popped it in only to find out...it's in PAL, so i can't watch it. Someday i'll get a PAL player so i can watch it....


    btw! completl unrelated, but i wanted to show you anyway. I found it while watching videos on youtube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUkLN...eature=related

    just wow...How doi get THAT job?
    Last edited by krystledm; 01-21-2008, 11:40 PM.

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  • merlinjones
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    >>What's very interesting is that Disney is not shutting down the easy to find bootleg DVD's that are everywhere, even the home page of some major mouse tracking sites.<<

    Then why not put out a multi-region foreign DVD and allow it to be imported? At least they'd make some money on it.

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  • Konrad63
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    My bet is Iger does not want to upset the apple cart and put his $27,700,000.00 salary in harms way. US Senetor Ford has IIRC promised protests in the streets if the film is re-released. The usual talking heads would jump on the protest bandwagon in an instant. Just look at how uber accommodating Disney has been to "feedback" on the Princess and the Frog. What's funny is many young fans are following the Princess and the Frog and they are not impressed, they even feel the drawing are below usual Disney standards.

    I saw SOS in the Disney cinema in London in '86 and I have the laser disk. There are other Disney films just as offensive. No disrespect but if native Americans had the same lobby as African Americans a lot of Disney footage would have to be pulled or have disclaimers added.

    I like the movie and it was a technical milestone. I'd love a fully restored DVD or better yet a Blu-Ray. I just don't think it will happen. What's very interesting is that Disney is not shutting down the easy to find bootleg DVD's that are everywhere, even the home page of some major mouse tracking sites. I really doubt a site selling bootleg Pixar features would be around for long.

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  • Aladdin
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    Originally posted by Queentitania19 View Post
    ::sigh:: if only it were that simple Aladdin..... if only
    It can be, and it will. The question that will
    confound most everyone after it's released is
    "What was the fuss all about anyway?"

    A few are blowing this re-release way out of
    proportion. Good Grief, it's been in theaters,
    not too many years ago, here in the US. And
    released recently for US DVD formats in Paris
    DL. And people playing the race card on this
    movie should be ashamed.

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  • Queentitania19
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    ::sigh:: if only it were that simple Aladdin..... if only

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  • Aladdin
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    Originally posted by merlinjones View Post
    This clip from "Song of the South" makes me cry everytime. What a beautiful statement of how the spirit of imagination, storytelling and humanity can reach across all boundaries; age, economic, race.

    Johnny and Uncle Remus, in their sharing of the Brer Rabbit tales, form the sort of healing bond and colorblind friendship that anticipates a day of unity for all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOEmPMikbCQ
    Nicely said MJ.

    With the Shareholder Meeting coming up soon, I'm sure Iger is once
    again preparring a new way to answer the question of WHEN Song
    of the South will be released. Hopefully this year he will be able
    to say when, so we don't have to keep asking him year after year.
    It is really a groundbreaking movie on several fronts, including an
    Oscar for James Baskett, Oscar for song, Disney's very 1st live action
    movie, not to mention the combination of live action and animation in
    color.

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  • k_peek_2000
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    I've seen it. I thought it had the best Disney animated movie endings i've seen.

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  • Queentitania19
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    Well, SoulQ, I was going to answer your perspective point by point but since it all comes down to the same answers I'll just sum up.

    When did it become a corporations' responsibility to retroactively educate people? This is the same mentality that gets angry at teachers when their kids are failing school. It's parents responsibility to teach their kids right from wrong and the truth from the lies. NOT a studios. This is a country founded on democracy and capitalism and no where in either of those two forms of governance is there a codicil that says it's the corporations' purpose to screen what is fit for the consumption of the public. They have things like that in China or pretty much anywhere in the middle east. No one has the right to tell me what to show or not show my kids (hypothetically, I have no children) and if parents are not going to correct their children if they get skewed ideas from TV, Movies or the internet there are far, far, FAR worse things that they are going to think then anything in SOTS. I think the market has been fairly clear on the SOTS issue because it has huge re-release profits.

    If this was the mentality that dictated the market, where would it stop? Are we all going to march on video game companies because they make violant games ? This is a free market capitalistic economy and the market should be allowed to decide what it wants. That is the basis of democratic governance.

    If you don't like a game, don't buy it, if you think a movie is offensive, don't watch it. More importantly, if it's not appropriate and you're a parent then step up and stop your kids from using or watching it. If your kids do see it and it's against your personal beliefs... educate them. The market will decide what is appropriate for the rest of the country. If we all subscribed to this there wouldn't be any Shirley Temple movies, Gone with the Wind would never be seen again and neither would Peter Pan or Dumbo. Personal choice is the basis of enlightened society. It's when one persons' beliefs don't dictate the life another can lead.

    There, I do believe that this was still civil enough that you haven't quite got your churro yet.

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  • merlinjones
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    This clip from "Song of the South" makes me cry everytime. What a beautiful statement of how the spirit of imagination, storytelling and humanity can reach across all boundaries; age, economic, race.

    Johnny and Uncle Remus, in their sharing of the Brer Rabbit tales, form the sort of healing bond and colorblind friendship that anticipates a day of unity for all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOEmPMikbCQ

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  • mycroft16
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    If you would like to see this DVD released again... go here:
    http://disneydvd.disney.go.com/movie...e%20South.html
    Under the DVD Image there is a link to click on if you would like Disney to release this DVD.

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  • Soulquarian
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    Heck, just to see what happens, I'll bite. Jazzman, you owe me a churro if this thread doesn't stay civil!

    What's the big controversy surrounding SotS?
    The most major point would be the stereotypical characters portrayed in the film. The slaves/sharecroppers appear to be very happy to be in their current state. The maid is a typical mammy stereotype. Uncle Remus is a pound for pound recreation of the Uncle Tom stereotype, etc.

    But how can anyone be offended by Uncle Remus? He's a kind gentle man with wisdom!
    See the Uncle Tom link. The Mammy and Uncle Tom stereotypes were created to move the focus from racism, and instead focus on the character. You the viewer don't see how harmful slavery, segregation, racism is in the film because the character is so humble, sweet, and wise. Uncle Remus never treats the other Blacks in the films like he does the White families. When he talks to the little Black boy, he sounds condescending instead of the loving tone he talks to the little White boy with.

    Surely the movie can't be that bad, I've found links from African Americans who have no problem with the film at all!
    Hattie McDaniel who stars in the film as the mammy once said she would rather play a maid and get paid lots of money than be a maid in real life. No two people think exactly alike so how can we say that a whole race of people can? Some Jewish people watch South Park and laugh, others cringe.

    If the stereotypes were so bad, why did the actors agree to star in the film?
    If pornography objectifies woman and psychologically damages young men's perception of healthy sex, why do women do it? Money.

    All of Disney Films are historically incorrect, why is it such an issue with SotS?
    Song of the South takes place in a very REAL environment. It was the darkest period in American history. Unlike Peter Pan, Dumbo, and other films that exist within their own context of fantasy, all of Song of the South takes place in the real world south. The animated segments more or less serve as a way to visually depict the stories Uncle Remus tells. Granted, there are MANY films in Disney's history that have disgusting stereotypes of a variety of races, but to my knowledge, this is the only film that deals with such dark material. The equivalent would be an animated/live action movie on The Holocaust, or 9/11.

    In regards to American History, most of that era is not taught in most schools. The argument of "the movie takes place AFTER the war, so the Blacks aren't slaves" is proof of this. Slavery existed LONG after the war ended. The Black Codes were institutionalized shortly after the war and basically held so many limitations on Blacks, that they were forced to continue working for their slave masters. Personally, I could care less about stereotypes. It's when they influence the collective thought process of a multitude of people that it bothers me. A recent poll shows that race relations in America have not budged much. Everyone still believes firmly in stereotypes despite facts showing that such generalizations are absolutely ridiculous.

    But movies and TV are for entertainment? If you want knowledge, read a book!
    Faulty logic. There are so many studies of how what we see DIRECTLY affects our thought process. Many women look for their Knight in Shining Armor as a direct result of the rose colored Disney version of Love. We all know how harmful that can be based on psychological studies. People from the Midwest think you see movie stars on a daily basis if you live in LA. People from LA think if you're from Idaho, you farm potatoes. The reality is that for most people, TV and media are the only way we get to know other people. Look at how Muslims were and still are treated post 9/11. Most people don't know any Muslims, and as a result, prejudice and other horrible things exist.

    Well why did they build Splash Mountain if they won't release the film?
    There's probably about 15-20 min. of animation in all of SOTS. The ride takes this incredibly small amount, edits most of the story, and makes a ride out of it. There's no Tar Baby, there aren't any slaves/sharecroppers singing to you as your log passes by... it's almost a moot point. It's a ride VERY loosely based on the film.

    But I've talked to Whites, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc, and none of them picked up on any vibe of racism!
    Look at this recent poll taken amongst minorities of what they think of one another: http://news.newamericamedia.org/news...c7e504145e6aa2

    It doesn't prove anything that other races don't see what some African Americans see. Most Americans have a strong lack of empathy when it comes to race. I didn't see anything anti-semitic with The Passion of the Christ, but many Jewish people did. Who am I to say that there's absolutely NO racist overtones in that film? I'm not Jewish, so perhaps it didn't register to me. Unless you're going through the same thing, you're not going to feel the same as someone else. A person who has 10 dogs, and a person who hates pets are going to react differently when they hear news about Michael Vick.

    Why would releasing the film be an issue now, when it wasn't back in the 80's?
    Come on, it's so obvious that we live in a hyper-sensitive climate. Sesame Street gets its old segments edited all the time. Cookie Monster encourages childhood obesity. Oscar is a manic depressant. Why is Gordon holding that little girls hand, that's not his kid!

    I was watching an episode of Pee Wee's Playhouse, and I actually flinched. Pee Wee lifted up Miss Yvonne's skirt and said "I see London, I see France, I can see your underpants!" Parents would have a field day if that happened on a kids show today.

    Wait a minute, you're conflicting! You just admitted that this is all due to people being too sensitive!
    I don't think so. I definitely agree that as a culture, we've become way too PC, but at the same time, it's obvious that we haven't grown that much either. Blacks were just as upset of racist stereotypes back in the 30's, as they are today. The only difference is that minority voices actually count for something these days (even though Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson cry wolf so much, they've created indifference about race among so many non-minorities). Lots of Blacks didn't like Hattie McDaniel when she made Gone in the Wind, but they were SOL because the majority didn't care what they thought.

    I know I wouldn't have a problem with the film, if people were open minded. Which brings me to my next point...

    Disney just needs to release the movie with special features narrated by Jesse Jackson, Bill Cosby, Al Sharpton, or James Earl Jones to pacify the PC crowd.
    If there was an animated film that made light of 9/11 and it was marketed towards children or families, would you be ok with it if Julie Andrew did an introduction?

    This is probably the most offensive comment to me, and it shows that race relation/conversation in general just doesn't work. The whole reason I have an issue with SotS is that the history is so off, and the average person doesn't know squat about that period. Disney is a pacifier to the average non-Disney fanatic. Parents buy a Disney movie, plop their kids down in front of it, and leave the room. I realize that if Disney released the film in its Treasures collection this would alleviate this issue, and that would make me feel a lot better... But what bothers and hurts me the most is the amount of people who said they would just skip those features. One person in a previous discussion outright said that if they had those features, they wouldn't allow their child to watch. When has ignorance EVER been a good thing?

    We've already had one person say that in this thread. How many others would just skip over any additional material that actually went into the history of the film, the context, the controversy. This is precisely what I mean about this issue being a dead end. At the end of the day, most people just don't care.

    Do you think the film should be banned?
    Absolutely not.

    :waits for Jazzman to hand him a churro:

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  • Jazzman
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    Originally posted by Soulquarian View Post
    I totally agree. But what is a discussion if the other parties don't want to listen, or merely dismiss what the other has to say because of their own beliefs?
    Yeah, I agree there. I was just pointing out that while the whole utopian "we're just sharing ideas" train of thought is sweet and romantic, you really can't have a discussion without some opposing views. But I do get what you're saying.

    (Heh. We're totally on the same side right now. Quick, let's leave before we start actually talking about Song of the South and spoil the moment! :lol

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  • Jazzman
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    Originally posted by Queentitania19 View Post
    Which means we shouldn't talk about it??

    I didn't get the impression that MiceChat was all about hugging kitties and kissing babies and that we are only allowed to talk about subjects where everyone agrees. Because if that is the case this would be the most boring Discussion group ever.
    Sadly it's more like that now than it used to be.

    We've had some pretty heated discussions regarding Song of the South in the past and, as SoulQ pointed out, it would be a good idea to look those over before diving into another one. Ironically it was one of those discussions where SoulQ and I were at each other's throat. Kinda funny that we agree on something here in another Song of the South thread. ) Irony. Spice of life. Anyhow, I don't think anyone is arguing that this topic shouldn't ever be brought up again, but instead the point as I see it is that this is a horse that has been repeatedly beaten into oblivion, so before resurrecting it stop and give the corpse a good look and then decide how to proceed.

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  • Soulquarian
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    Originally posted by Queentitania19 View Post
    Which means we shouldn't talk about it??

    I didn't get the impression that MiceChat was all about hugging kitties and kissing babies and that we are only allowed to talk about subjects where everyone agrees. Because if that is the case this would be the most boring Discussion group ever.
    Use the search button and see what happens in regards to this topic.

    Originally posted by Jazzman View Post
    If a discussion isn't about opposing views, then every discussion would pretty much read like this:

    "Hey, blah blah blah."

    "Yep."

    "Uh-huh."

    "Ditto."

    "Me too."

    "Word."

    Kinda boring, in my opinion.
    I totally agree. But what is a discussion if the other parties don't want to listen, or merely dismiss what the other has to say because of their own beliefs?

    This is a great topic that obviously is worthy subject matter of a discussion, but geez, how many times has it gone down in flames? If someone says they have a problem with the film, they're easily dismissed as over-sensitive. After that, it's just character beatdowns. Usually anyway.

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  • Jazzman
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    Originally posted by Sorcerer's Apprentice View Post
    I disagree, a discussion is a sharing of ideas, this sharing can be supportive as well as combative.

    My intent with initiating this thread was not to debate the release of this film, or debate the validity of the reasons for releasing this film. My intent was to share ourideas, thoughts and feelingsabout this subject.
    If a discussion isn't about opposing views, then every discussion would pretty much read like this:

    "Hey, blah blah blah."

    "Yep."

    "Uh-huh."

    "Ditto."

    "Me too."

    "Word."

    Kinda boring, in my opinion.

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  • Queentitania19
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    Originally posted by Soulquarian View Post
    I'm not saying that this thread is going to turn uber-nasty, or trying to belittle your intent, but in all honesty, a discussion requires opposing views. And whenever the opposing view is expressed in regards to this topic, it can get pretty heated.
    Which means we shouldn't talk about it??

    I didn't get the impression that MiceChat was all about hugging kitties and kissing babies and that we are only allowed to talk about subjects where everyone agrees. Because if that is the case this would be the most boring Discussion group ever.

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  • Sorcerer's Apprentice
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    Originally posted by Queentitania19 View Post
    Well, unfortunately for me, I don't have $40 or $50 to drop on a movie even if I really really want it.
    Originally posted by Soulquarian View Post
    Since the start of Micechat and the first SotS thread, it never does anything but stir a volatile pot.

    Discussion of race related topics is almost always a dead end. No matter what anyone says, pretty much no one has a paradigm shift. Stacks of evidence to show why opposition to SotS exists have been layed out, and most people disregard it all as some people being overly PC.

    If you really want to know the answers to your questions, they've all been posted before. Why is there a ride based on a movie that's not available? Why does Disney sell the soundtrack? It's been talked about at length.

    I'm not saying that this thread is going to turn uber-nasty, or trying to belittle your intent, but in all honesty, a discussion requires opposing views. And whenever the opposing view is expressed in regards to this topic, it can get pretty heated.
    I disagree, a discussion is a sharing of ideas, this sharing can be supportive as well as combative.

    My intent with initiating this thread was not to debate the release of this film, or debate the validity of the reasons for releasing this film. My intent was to share ourideas, thoughts and feelingsabout this subject.

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  • Soulquarian
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    Originally posted by Queentitania19 View Post
    I'm sure it has been. However I would rather talk about it than search through a bunch of old posts and read about it. In matters of subjective reasoning, discussion is the defining purpose. I don't think that most of the people that have been posting on this thread are unaware of the perspectives of other people about this movie. It's simply that we want to express our own opinions and see if any new developments have occured or just rant about our own particular point of view. It's theraputic and stimulating.
    Since the start of Micechat and the first SotS thread, it never does anything but stir a volatile pot.

    Discussion of race related topics is almost always a dead end. No matter what anyone says, pretty much no one has a paradigm shift. Stacks of evidence to show why opposition to SotS exists have been layed out, and most people disregard it all as some people being overly PC.

    If you really want to know the answers to your questions, they've all been posted before. Why is there a ride based on a movie that's not available? Why does Disney sell the soundtrack? It's been talked about at length.

    I'm not saying that this thread is going to turn uber-nasty, or trying to belittle your intent, but in all honesty, a discussion requires opposing views. And whenever the opposing view is expressed in regards to this topic, it can get pretty heated.

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  • Queentitania19
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    I'm sure it has been. However I would rather talk about it than search through a bunch of old posts and read about it. In matters of subjective reasoning, discussion is the defining purpose. I don't think that most of the people that have been posting on this thread are unaware of the perspectives of other people about this movie. It's simply that we want to express our own opinions and see if any new developments have occured or just rant about our own particular point of view. It's theraputic and stimulating.

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  • Soulquarian
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    Do a search...

    There are gobs upon gobs of posts that discuss the history of the film, the controversy, why some people think the movie sucks, why some people think certain groups are over-reacting, why some people don't see what the fuss is about, why Bob Eiger is hesitant to release it, the history of the actors, the history of racial stereotypes in Disney animation....

    It's all there if you use that beautiful search function. I assure you, there is nothing in this thread that hasn't been discussed ad nauseum.

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