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  • Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

    Starting a discussion thread, as Angel requested for spoilers not to be posted in her thread.

    So what'd you guys think of the book?

  • #2
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    Overall I did like it. I like that she didn't let anyone sway her in writing the book, and it was really her story- if that made any sense at all. I feel that J K Rowling allowed her fans to sway her in the way Harry Potter went.

    I didn't like the lack of Alice

    I actually liked the name Reneesme - but the Nessie thing was weird. Why not just Ness, or Ren- why the loch ness monster route?

    Jacob imprinting on Reneesme was weird. Creepy weird.

    The story from Jacob's point of view took my by surprise, but I guess it works.

    I'm glad Bella was able to bond with Rosalie

    The whole reason I avoided these books was because they're about vampires. I don't do blood. So the descriptions of Bella drinking blood? I really didn't need that.

    I liked how she ended it.

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    • #3
      Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

      Originally posted by Alice's Wonderland View Post
      Overall I did like it. I like that she didn't let anyone sway her in writing the book, and it was really her story- if that made any sense at all. I feel that J K Rowling allowed her fans to sway her in the way Harry Potter went.

      I didn't like the lack of Alice

      I actually liked the name Reneesme - but the Nessie thing was weird. Why not just Ness, or Ren- why the loch ness monster route?

      Jacob imprinting on Reneesme was weird. Creepy weird.

      The story from Jacob's point of view took my by surprise, but I guess it works.

      I'm glad Bella was able to bond with Rosalie

      The whole reason I avoided these books was because they're about vampires. I don't do blood. So the descriptions of Bella drinking blood? I really didn't need that.

      I liked how she ended it.
      I didn't like the lack of alice and japser either. At first when I saw that I was going to read a third of the book in Jacobs perspective I was majorly unhappy and disappointed, Jacob kinda grew though eventually. I'm glad bella bonded with Rosalie too but the way she cared more about the baby and seemed not to care about bellas life at all disgusted me a bit.

      I thought the loch ness monster thing was reffering to how he said there was a monster inside of Bella when she was pregnant.

      I was a little surprised about how much sex was in the novel, I was expecting it, but it seemed like it was all bella could think about in parts. I liked the ending too, but I was looking foward to a fight and the extinction of the Volturi.

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      • #4
        Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

        Originally posted by Rayangelo View Post

        I thought the loch ness monster thing was reffering to how he said there was a monster inside of Bella when she was pregnant.

        I was a little surprised about how much sex was in the novel, I was expecting it, but it seemed like it was all bella could think about in parts. I liked the ending too, but I was looking foward to a fight and the extinction of the Volturi.
        Oh I didn't make that connection- but I guess the monster thing does kinda work.

        And yeah- Bella wanting to stay human for the sex was kinda odd as well.

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        • #5
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          I wish there would have been a bit more sacrifice for Bella. I mean, throughout the entire series there was always the looming problem of what she would be giving up in becoming a Vampire, and she would be like when she was one. But Bella becomes the perfect vampire, and even gets to keep seeing her dad and the wolf pack doesn't hate her. I'm glad for Bella to be able to keep everything, but I didn't see much of the huge sacrifice she was supposedly going to have.

          Jacob + Renesmee = Creepy. Edward calling him Son at the end was just too weird for me, even though I know it was Edward accepting Jacob as a part of their lives.

          But I did love the book, I love happy endings and that was definitely one! The wedding scene and the honeymoon were great, and I love how they gave them their own little cottage! they have a perfect little house for a perfect little vampire family!

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          • #6
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            I just finished the book last night and I slept on it.

            I liked Jasper and to find out he was scarred and such. I don't know why I delighted in that scars so much (maybe the fact that they weren't perfect?). But now putting the way Bella will eventually see him to the movies (if there is a 4th movie), I like the casting and I can see the actor being all bashful now that Bella knows what he really looks like. Like the other books I was ehhh about Edwards brothers, but I really liked Jasper for some reason in this book.

            Reading about the immortal children right before bed= not good! That was scary!

            I liked Jacob's book. But y'all know I'm a Jacob fan.
            -I liked how Jacob man-ed up (is that a word?) and became the alpha dog. He finally told Sam, no. Which I thought was good for the character.
            -I liked the internal struggle he had and then when he came around... I kinda' wanted Bella to be okay with giving up the vampire baby and having Jake's puppies.

            This story felt like they were all grown ups. Like the last book and the books before it was like a high school story. This all the characters became grown ups.

            Hated the name Renesmee. I liked her middle name though, Carlie. That was cute. The nickname was okay. I knew they were going to make a nickname and it was going to be something funny.

            I kinda' called the imprinting because I know Stephenie Meyer's likes happy endings and what would be more happy ending for all to live happily ever after than one big happy family? And with mentioning Claire I was like "there has to be a reason for it."

            For this book I tried to picture the actors in their roles, but I kept thinking Demi Lovato for Bella pre-change and then Stephenie Meyers post. I thought she wrote the character based on her. And I totally saw Robert as Edward along with quite a few of the movie actors, but Carlisle and Jacob were still whom I originally envisioned.

            Why wasn't Bella a crazed newborn? Seemed too easy.

            Her brain quirk turned out to save everyone.... Although I was kinda' irked that everyone was like "Immortality suits you" and "You're good as a vampire." Does that mean everyone thought she was better dead than alive?

            More thoughts later....

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            • #7
              Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

              I was supposed to finish the book on the road on the way up to NY Sunday but I took my dramamine way too late and I started getting sick. So I didn't finish until half way through my vacation during lulls between frolicking in the ocean. I liked it. But for me, it wasn't as big an impact as Twilight or the other books were. I didn't feel some burst of feeling like with the others. It was just like reading a news column about math. :lol:

              I actually didn't mind the Jacob imprinting on Renesmee thing. It tied up those dangling loose strings. I dislike Jacob, but it was a pain to see him unhappy.

              I hated the lack of Alice and Jasper. I don't fully understand why that Mr.Jenks guy was freaking out about Jasper either. In the end Jasper answers but it still didn't make sense, lol.

              I think Bella's power was pretty awesome lol. I liked when she found the way to let Edward see her perspective as if he was able to read her mind. And see her feelings and everything in her heart.

              It kinda freaked me out in the beginning when Stephenie decided to make Bella get pregnant. But I understand how she had to put that twist in there to make the pact with the werewolves stay in place AND let everyone be happy.

              Overall, a good book, but not spectacular.

              Bionic Village Babe of the RCMC
              "Wisdom is knowing what you don't know" - Socrates

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              • #8
                Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                I noticed someone from Host popped into this book... Anyone else notice it?

                I don't exactly know how Bella let Edward in though... didn't get that.

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                • #9
                  Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                  Originally posted by knittingknerd View Post
                  I noticed someone from Host popped into this book... Anyone else notice it?

                  I don't exactly know how Bella let Edward in though... didn't get that.
                  Who? :blink:
                  I definitely didn't catch that.
                  --
                  I didn't fully understand either, but what I think is she detached the shield from her body and wrapped it around Edward. Then sent her thoughts into it so he could see those things from her perspective. Doesn't make much sense to me either to be honest.

                  Bionic Village Babe of the RCMC
                  "Wisdom is knowing what you don't know" - Socrates

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                  • #10
                    Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                    I think it was something like she "lifted" her shield so that Edward could see her thoughts for once. She had learned how to stretch it out, and then she learn how to lift it entirely. At least thats what I figured it was.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                      Originally posted by knittingknerd View Post
                      I noticed someone from Host popped into this book... Anyone else notice it?

                      .
                      No I haven't read the Host. Should i?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                        Liz,the same description as Wanda towards the end... Host is good, it's very observant on the human condition.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by Alice's Wonderland View Post
                          No I haven't read the Host. Should i?
                          Yes. It is a very good book. Honestly, it drags in the beginning but then it gets really good. I highly recommend reading it. It's food for thought.

                          Originally posted by knittingknerd View Post
                          Liz,the same description as Wanda towards the end... Host is good, it's very observant on the human condition.
                          sorry... a bit slow at the moment.. who is Liz?

                          Bionic Village Babe of the RCMC
                          "Wisdom is knowing what you don't know" - Socrates

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                          • #14
                            Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                            Originally posted by <3WillTurner View Post

                            sorry... a bit slow at the moment.. who is Liz?
                            The girl at the park that Jacob is trying so desperately to imprint on, likes his car, asks if he stole it....

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                            • #15
                              Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                              Originally posted by DisneyRoyalty View Post
                              I think it was something like she "lifted" her shield so that Edward could see her thoughts for once. She had learned how to stretch it out, and then she learn how to lift it entirely. At least thats what I figured it was.
                              That was my take on it as well.

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                              • #16
                                Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                                Originally posted by knittingknerd View Post
                                The girl at the park that Jacob is trying so desperately to imprint on, likes his car, asks if he stole it....
                                Oh yes! okay haha.
                                But.. how is she at all like Wanda?
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                                'Breaking Dawn' Exclusive: 'Twilight' Author Stephenie Meyer Reacts To Harsh Reader Complaints -- 'It Hurts''You see the punch coming; that doesn't mean it's not gonna hurt when it hits,' Meyer says.SPOILER ALERT, though we'll try to keep them vague for all you slowpokes.) And judging by the heated back-and-forth that followed, there are plenty of other Twilighters complaining about what is or isn't in the book: the lack of more explicit sex scenes, the excessive amount of sex scenes, the implausibility of Bella's pregnancy, the pace of the story, the lack of a big battle scene, the whole Jacob section, and on and on. One blogger told Entertainment Weekly that the story "didn't seem to fit the world that I thought Stephenie Meyer created." So how does the author feel about this venomous reaction to the novel that sold 1.3 million copies in its first day?


                                "You see the punch coming; that doesn't mean it's not gonna hurt when it hits," Meyer told MTV News on Thursday. "There's no way to make everybody happy. When I do one thing that a lot of people want, there's always the opposite reaction.

                                "But how can you possibly meet up with the expectations that this book had?" she asked. "It just got so built up. There is no book in the world that could stand up to that. So I knew it was going to happen, but at the same time it hurts."

                                Of course, members of Team Jacob can't be too thrilled from the very start of the book. But Meyer won't pander to their preference for Bella's hot-blooded werewolf pal.

                                "If they really love the characters, then I would hope that this would make sense to them, because these are the true characters," she explained. "This is the story the way it was always meant to be."

                                And other readers are giving Meyer grief about the fact that Bella does get a "happily ever after" without having to make any major sacrifices.

                                "I think she worked for it pretty hard," Meyer countered. "It doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you make a decision about what you want and you pay for it and you suffer for it and it doesn't work out. Those types of stories always leave me horribly depressed. I'm not going to live in a world for a year at a time where that's going to be the ending. If people wanted a really depressing, tragic ending, I gave them a lot of hints that it wasn't going to be that way. They really shouldn't have been surprised!"

                                And though Meyer knew the complaints would come, she was surprised by what some of them were about. One minor quibble seems to be the awkward name of Bella and Edward's daughter, Renesmee.

                                "I should have known that people would feel that way," she laughed when we read aloud one comment about Bella's hybrid of Renee and Esme. "The name has been real to me for so long now that I've forgotten how unusual it would sound to everyone else."

                                Meyer did seem taken aback by the "don't burn it, return it" threats. "I've read a lot of books that I didn't like very much, and that thought never occurred to me, because I had read them! I hadn't heard of [doing] that before. That's not fun to hear."

                                But Meyer holds out hope that "Breaking Dawn" detractors will eventually see her side of things. "I hope that if they really do enjoy the other books, they'll realize that this is kind of where it was supposed to go."

                                Bionic Village Babe of the RCMC
                                "Wisdom is knowing what you don't know" - Socrates

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                                • #17
                                  Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                                  Originally posted by <3WillTurner View Post
                                  Oh yes! okay haha.
                                  But.. how is she at all like Wanda?
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                                  Quasi-Host Spoilery:
                                  Spoiler
                                  Wanda once she got put into the other body? The giggle/jokey nature, the curly blonde hair, pale, I think freckles were even part of it... I read it and was like "that's Wanda!" The character description, the whole physical description... Or at least how I took it.


                                  In terms of people being butt hurt:
                                  IT'S FICTION! IT'S FLUFF! It's escapism from our lives.

                                  I hate it when people are so anti-a book that all they do is complain. Sure there were things in the book that I didn't love, but I wasn't the author of this series. She had plans in her head and didn't let her fans dictate or change them. Dude I'm glad there wasn't a whole lot of graphic sex in the book. That bugs when you read a book and it's essentially erotica when you signed on to read a chick-lit. Especially in this case where Edward is in a 17 year olds body. Ew! For someone of my age, ew! And Meyers created this world, she made the rules. Suspend your disbelief! Bella didn't lose a lot, um... only her mortality, the parts that make her human and who she is...

                                  I mulled over the ending, along with the whole series and the ending works. The battle was just as big if not bigger than the 1st book. It could've been a lot worse.

                                  I have a lot more thoughts on this "argh!!!! High stress over a book!" subject. My sis graduated with a degree in english, so we've had lots of debates on fiction and non along with reading in general all with me saying "It's fiction! The first and last letters are the same as fun! It's supposed to be!"

                                  I do think Stephenie Meyers is adorable though! Sorry babbly.
                                  Last edited by knittingknerd; 08-10-2008, 05:14 PM.

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                                  • #18
                                    Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                                    Originally posted by knittingknerd View Post

                                    In terms of people being butt hurt:
                                    IT'S FICTION! IT'S FLUFF! It's escapism from our lives.

                                    I hate it when people are so anti-a book that all they do is complain. Sure there were things in the book that I didn't love, but I wasn't the author of this series. She had plans in her head and didn't let her fans dictate or change them. Dude I'm glad there wasn't a whole lot of graphic sex in the book. That bugs when you read a book and it's essentially erotica when you signed on to read a chick-lit. Especially in this case where Edward is in a 17 year olds body. Ew! For someone of my age, ew! And Meyers created this world, she made the rules. Suspend your disbelief! Bella didn't lose a lot, um... only her mortality, the parts that make her human and who she is...

                                    I mulled over the ending, along with the whole series and the ending works. The battle was just as big if not bigger than the 1st book. It could've been a lot worse.

                                    I have a lot more thoughts on this "argh!!!! High stress over a book!" subject. My sis graduated with a degree in english, so we've had lots of debates on fiction and non along with reading in general all with me saying "It's fiction! The first and last letters are the same as fun! It's supposed to be!"

                                    I do think Stephenie Meyers is adorable though! Sorry babbly.
                                    No, I think that's so well said! I do hate when a story doesn't go the way I want it too (like the 7th Harry Potter) but ultimately it's the author's story not mine, and they can tell it how they want.

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                                      Originally posted by knittingknerd View Post
                                      Quasi-Host Spoilery:
                                      Spoiler
                                      Wanda once she got put into the other body? The giggle/jokey nature, the curly blonde hair, pale, I think freckles were even part of it... I read it and was like "that's Wanda!" The character description, the whole physical description... Or at least how I took it.


                                      In terms of people being butt hurt:
                                      IT'S FICTION! IT'S FLUFF! It's escapism from our lives.

                                      I hate it when people are so anti-a book that all they do is complain. Sure there were things in the book that I didn't love, but I wasn't the author of this series. She had plans in her head and didn't let her fans dictate or change them. Dude I'm glad there wasn't a whole lot of graphic sex in the book. That bugs when you read a book and it's essentially erotica when you signed on to read a chick-lit. Especially in this case where Edward is in a 17 year olds body. Ew! For someone of my age, ew! And Meyers created this world, she made the rules. Suspend your disbelief! Bella didn't lose a lot, um... only her mortality, the parts that make her human and who she is...

                                      I mulled over the ending, along with the whole series and the ending works. The battle was just as big if not bigger than the 1st book. It could've been a lot worse.

                                      I have a lot more thoughts on this "argh!!!! High stress over a book!" subject. My sis graduated with a degree in english, so we've had lots of debates on fiction and non along with reading in general all with me saying "It's fiction! The first and last letters are the same as fun! It's supposed to be!"

                                      I do think Stephenie Meyers is adorable though! Sorry babbly.
                                      ahhhhh I see. Do you think she did that subconsciously or purposefully?
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                                      I agree! Very well put. It drives me bonkers when people hound an authour for not letting his or her fan base sway the destination of their series. In the beginning, they usually have that set idea as to what is going to happen.

                                      Frankly, it's intrusive and rude to be so hurtful to someone that is sharing their art with you. The art they're worked on with dedication and for the love of doing it.

                                      I'm never known a good authour to have a sense of obligation when writing a series or even a single book. They do it because they want to. It'd be nice to get appreciation and not whines, moans and groans because it didn't sway to your satisfaction.

                                      Of course there is always criticism to be expected. But from the harsh comments I've seen and the rude fan mail Stephenie has commented on, it's pushing it way too far. It makes me sick to my stomach when people act so rashly and unthinkingly.

                                      Bionic Village Babe of the RCMC
                                      "Wisdom is knowing what you don't know" - Socrates

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: Breaking Dawn Book Discussions [CONTAINS SPOILERS!!]

                                        I think Stephenie wrote a book that was very fan pleasing. She didn't go the route of J.K. Rowling and kill off half of the beloved characters. She very easily could have had the Volturi kill Edward and Bella, in the style of the Romeo and Juliet tragic lovers that they are so much like. She had that route all set up, Renesmee would have been safe with Jacob, but she kept it as a happy ending.

                                        Can you imagine how many fans would have been outraged had any of the Cullens or Jacob had been killed? I know probably would have cried like I did at the last 3 Harry Potter books!

                                        I have a few minor issues with how the plot worked out, but overall I loved it. I think it's really presumptuous of people to attack an author like some people have. It's Stephenie's book, and she can write it how she wants. If you don't like it, go write some Fan Fiction for how you want it to be. That's just my opinion.

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