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  • #61
    Originally posted by micromind View Post
    I'm beginning to get the horrible feeling that TDC is seeing Star Wars just as it sees Disneyland.

    I'm 61, when I was growing up, anything associated with the name 'Disney' was always first-class top-notch. Pretty much a class of its own.

    Then, beginning with the Eisner regime, the company figured out that it could sell just about anything, good, bad or downright horrible, simply by using the Disney name. The overall value of their products, including the Disneyland experience, began to diminish. But the name wasn't tarnished very much......we still remembered the extreme quality of of the name from years ago.

    Then, with the marketing hype and especially the monthly payment APs, the Disneyland experience became more of a tragedy than a joy. The crowd levels in DL these days are a disgrace compared to what Disney once stood for.

    Now, judging from the comments here and from other sources, it appears I’m with you micromundto me that Disney has made a mediocre movie and sold it as 'Star Wars', relying mostly on the name rather than the content.

    It's really sad that the greed and incompetence of a small number of executives could ruin what was once solid gold.
    i agree with you, micromind.
    I’m 55 so we’re roughly the same age.

    The Disneyland experience of my youth (1969-1985) was always superb. A wonderful combination of experiences - thrills, chills, easy-going, films, live entertainment - and all at a reasonable pace and cost for people and families.

    My most recent visits have been horrible - over crowded with most guests trying to ‘power it out’ - I’ve sort of given up.
    Jim in Merced CA - former cast member at Walt Disney World, Walt Disney Imagineering and Disneyland.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by micromind View Post
      The company figured out that it could sell just about anything, good, bad or downright horrible, simply by using the Disney
      Now, judging from the comments here and from other sources, it appears to me that Disney has made a mediocre movie and sold it as 'Star Wars', relying mostly on the name rather than the content.
      It's really sad that the greed and incompetence of a small number of executives could ruin what was once solid gold.
      RIGHT !
      Just slap the brand name on it ,add little PIXIE dust.........and $$$$$$
      Same here ,It has come down IMO to greed and incompetence, from Disney CEO and small number of Executives.
      And all started from Eisner regime!
      Soaring like an EAGLE !

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Jim in Merced CA View Post

        i agree with you, micromind.
        I’m 55 so we’re roughly the same age.

        The Disneyland experience of my youth (1969-1985) was always superb. A wonderful combination of experiences - thrills, chills, easy-going, films, live entertainment - and all at a reasonable pace and cost for people and families.

        My most recent visits have been horrible - over crowded with most guests trying to ‘power it out’ - I’ve sort of given up.
        Same here, almost exactly.

        When we were kids, if DISNEY flashed up on the TV screen, you knew you were in for a royal treat. These days, most of Disneys stuff is not much more than thinly veiled advertisement for whatever they are trying to squeeze the maximum possible profit from.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by micromind View Post

          Same here, almost exactly.

          When we were kids, if DISNEY flashed up on the TV screen, you knew you were in for a royal treat. These days, most of Disneys stuff is not much more than thinly veiled advertisement for whatever they are trying to squeeze the maximum possible profit from.
          LOL
          When you hear today DI$NEY experience , began to diminish !
          "RUN , RUN , run".......Do not look back ,cover your wallet
          Soaring like an EAGLE !

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          • #65
            Now, i truly don’t care if you liked or hated the movie...I will not try to convince anyone one way or another...but let me sum up the last page of posts:

            Disney needs to protect it’s good name, but Disney now has a terrible name no matter what it does, so they automatically cranked out an inferior movie that I haven’t even seen but people tell me it’s inferior so it must be inferior, because the Disney name is automatically inferior, and by golly they will not get my money for an inferior product that I will never see because I’ve been told it’s inferior by other people whom I’m pretty sure have seen the inferior movie.

            I hope I used the word “inferior” enough times, and yes the run-on sentence was for effect.

            Now I know there are only about three people reading this nonsense, but isn’t it possible that the last page of posts is the reason that only three people will read this?
            Last edited by Zorcher; 12-27-2017, 09:04 PM.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Zorcher View Post
              Now, i truly don’t care if you liked or hated the movie...I will not try to convince anyone one way or another...but let me sum up the last page of posts:

              Disney needs to protect it’s good name, but Disney now has a terrible name no matter what it does, so they automatically cranked out an inferior movie that I haven’t even seen but people tell me it’s inferior so it must be inferior, because the Disney name is automatically inferior, and by golly they will not get my money for an inferior product that I will never see because I’ve been told it’s inferior by other people whom I’m pretty sure have seen the inferior movie.

              I hope I used the word “inferior” enough times, and yes the run-on sentence was for effect.

              Now I know there are only about three people reading this nonsense, but isn’t it possible that the last page of posts is the reason that only three people will read this?
              Looks like someone's brand has been offended.

              "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
              Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
              imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

              - Neil Gabler

              "I didn't know the story of baby Jesus could be any better,
              until Thor told it to me."
              -
              Young girl at Disneyland's 2017 Candlelight Ceremony

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

                Looks like someone's brand has been offended.
                Nah...I’d just rather a conversation about a movie actually contain a conversation about a movie and involve people who have actually seen the movie, as opposed to assuming it’s crap because Disney made it (on a site called Micrchat). And the fact that this baffles you in turn baffles me.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Zorcher View Post
                  Nah...I’d just rather a conversation about a movie actually contain a conversation about a movie and involve people who have actually seen the movie, as opposed to assuming it’s crap because Disney made it (on a site called Micrchat). And the fact that this baffles you in turn baffles me.
                  Nothing baffling here. It's unfortunate that the OP and the other participants in the thread have been unable to satisfy your need for a serious conversation about this movie.

                  Then again, you might have done better to actually read the title of the thread and the OP, and derive therefrom just a bit of a hint about the topic and tone of the thread... instead of joining a thread that obviously isn't what you want, and repeatedly whining about it.



                  "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
                  Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
                  imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

                  - Neil Gabler

                  "I didn't know the story of baby Jesus could be any better,
                  until Thor told it to me."
                  -
                  Young girl at Disneyland's 2017 Candlelight Ceremony

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

                    Nothing baffling here. It's unfortunate that the OP and the other participants in the thread have been unable to satisfy your need for a serious conversation about this movie.

                    Then again, you might have done better to actually read the title of the thread and the OP, and derive therefrom just a bit of a hint about the topic and tone of the thread... instead of joining a thread that obviously isn't what you want, and repeatedly whining about it.


                    Ok...I’ll bite, and it’s my own fault for taking on the three owners of mice chat, whom nobody can cross. The OP and other posters were giving fair assessments of the movie. It was fairly intelligent, and fairly presented (though I don’t necessarily agree). You then chimed in about these things being commercials for fanboys,
                    with zero substance or supporting information...then every comment after was made about the evils of Disney (sometimes offered by folks who have no intention of seeing said movie). Yes, this type of bandwagon off-topic nonsense bothers me. Tone bothers me not at all...topic bothers me greatly. And all whining adside, this IS the reason so few people post here.

                    Just so I’m at least contributing instead of whining, here is what I think. While I rarely agree with movie critics, I believe in this case there is a reason critic scores are through the roof while viewer scores are not. The majority of people willing to go to a website and give a score are “fanboys.” The “fanboys” are not liking this “commercial for fanboys.” Here is why:

                    *****SPOILERS******






                    No Snoke backstory (fanboy want)
                    Unceremonious Phasma death (fanboy want)
                    no ligtsaber duels (ultimate fanboy want)
                    No backstory for Rey’s parents (fanboy want)
                    Plot points that drive story but do not accomplish positive outcomes (casino) (simplistic fanboy want).
                    Akbar unceremoniously killed off (minor character really, but the ultimate slap in the face to fanboys)
                    Luke disappearing (possibly palateable to fanboys, but definitely not wanted).

                    Disney in fact did not sell out to the Star Wars community, but instead made a dark storyline with little hope and much death. While there is definitely some fan service, mostly they took risks with plot points, and their “fanboy” score is paying the price. I respect greatly he movie they made and see no cheap money grabs here (unless it’s to sell plush Porgs...but that’s very Star Wars in itself).

                    Perhaps there can be an intelligent conversation about a movie here, without the cheap shots about Disney owning Lucas Films r the general venom of the cheapness of Disney in general...we shall see...

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Zorcher View Post

                      Ok...I’ll bite, and it’s my own fault for taking on the three owners of mice chat, whom nobody can cross. The OP and other posters were giving fair assessments of the movie. It was fairly intelligent, and fairly presented (though I don’t necessarily agree). You then chimed in about these things being commercials for fanboys,
                      with zero substance or supporting information...then every comment after was made about the evils of Disney (sometimes offered by folks who have no intention of seeing said movie). Yes, this type of bandwagon off-topic nonsense bothers me. Tone bothers me not at all...topic bothers me greatly. And all whining adside, this IS the reason so few people post here.

                      Just so I’m at least contributing instead of whining, here is what I think. While I rarely agree with movie critics, I believe in this case there is a reason critic scores are through the roof while viewer scores are not. The majority of people willing to go to a website and give a score are “fanboys.” The “fanboys” are not liking this “commercial for fanboys.” Here is why:

                      *****SPOILERS******






                      No Snoke backstory (fanboy want)
                      Unceremonious Phasma death (fanboy want)
                      no ligtsaber duels (ultimate fanboy want)
                      No backstory for Rey’s parents (fanboy want)
                      Plot points that drive story but do not accomplish positive outcomes (casino) (simplistic fanboy want).
                      Akbar unceremoniously killed off (minor character really, but the ultimate slap in the face to fanboys)
                      Luke disappearing (possibly palateable to fanboys, but definitely not wanted).

                      Disney in fact did not sell out to the Star Wars community, but instead made a dark storyline with little hope and much death. While there is definitely some fan service, mostly they took risks with plot points, and their “fanboy” score is paying the price. I respect greatly he movie they made and see no cheap money grabs here (unless it’s to sell plush Porgs...but that’s very Star Wars in itself).

                      Perhaps there can be an intelligent conversation about a movie here, without the cheap shots about Disney owning Lucas Films r the general venom of the cheapness of Disney in general...we shall see...
                      Well using the word fanboy doesn't really contribute it's just name calling. I don't need to rehash what i liked about the movie and didn't as it is above. But people thinking "fanboys" are the only ones who didn't like this really doesn't add to the conversation. We have a person in our group of friends that never seen a SW film until we dragged her to episode 7 she loved it. When she saw this one she was pissed LOL. Her comment is it felt like they ignored episode 7. She still hasn't seen the originals yeeeet.

                      Also keep in mind a lot of people obviously enjoy the movie as it is still taking in money. The one comment I keep seeing from people who enjoy the film are the ones who are ha Disney is going a different direction instead of appeasing fans. I can understand being artistic with a film and story but essentially in my mind they decided to change too much in chapter 8 of a 9 chapter story. Rian Johnson should have total creative control in his new trilogy but to me he whiffed here in 8. Not appeasing the fans doesn't seem like a good plot line to start a story with LOL
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                      DL 55th BDAY trip report
                      My company had a special night at the park
                      WdW trip report with WWoHP
                      NYE 2011 trip report
                      Mice Chat 7th anniversary
                      Leap year 24 hour report
                      New DCA trip report
                      NYE 2012
                      HKDL trip report

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                      • #71
                        My 2 cents:
                        Granted, I admit I am a "softie" when I review things, but it gets very annoying when people get overtly neagative about a movie, and this is the case for SW8. It's not like its' the same quality as "The Room".
                        Going to movie with expectations, will ALWAYS let you down. It's because you didn't get what you thought would happen.

                        Snoke and Plasma both got killed off. Why? There were too many villains. There was Kylo, Hux, Snoke, Plasma and the Del Toro's new character ALL in this movie. This isn't new for SW, as it has unceremoniously kill off villains in the past. Dooku, Bobba Fett, Maul(who was later revived in later stories) all die, to get them out of the way. Could we still get more of Snoke's backstory? Yes. However, if Snoke was not killed off, people would complain they were rehashing Palpatine.

                        Why are people complaining about the 'island training' being boring.? They did the SAME THING with Dagobah in Empire/Episode 5, which took up most of Luke's time in that movie, as he was stuck at Dagobah, for most of the movie!! Yeah, Yoda isn't as crashed as Luke is. But, it obviously mirrors.

                        Canto Bight being irrelevant=Milenium Falcon stuck in an alien in 5 was irrelevant.

                        I will say that, the effect of the 2.5 hour+ runtime, REALLY wiped me out. Can't we bring back Intermissions?

                        Bottom line, I thought it was a good movie.


                        Last edited by Spongeocto4; 12-29-2017, 08:00 PM. Reason: Thought "Same thing" should be in bold. Also, added the monster astroid bit

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post
                          My 2 cents:
                          Granted, I admit I am a "softie" when I review things, but it gets very annoying when people get overtly neagative about a movie, and this is the case for SW8. It's not like its' the same quality as "The Room".
                          Going to movie with expectations, will ALWAYS let you down. It's because you didn't get what you thought would happen.

                          Snoke and Plasma both got killed off. Why? There were too many villains. There was Kylo, Hux, Snoke, Plasma and the Del Toro's new character ALL in this movie. This isn't new for SW, as it has unceremoniously kill off villains in the past. Dooku, Bobba Fett, Maul(who was later revived in later stories) all die, to get them out of the way. Could we still get more of Snoke's backstory? Yes. However, if Snoke was not killed off, people would complain they were rehashing Palpatine.

                          Why are people complaining about the 'island training' being boring.? They did the SAME THING with Dagobah in Empire/Episode 5, which took up most of Luke's time in that movie, as he was stuck at Dagobah, for most of the movie!! Yeah, Yoda isn't as crashed as Luke is. But, it obviously mirrors.

                          Canto Bight being irrelevant=Milenium Falcon stuck in an alien in 5 was irrelevant.

                          I will say that, the effect of the 2.5 hour+ runtime, REALLY wiped me out. Can't we bring back Intermissions?

                          Bottom line, I thought it was a good movie.

                          Absolutely... I had high expectations, considering yes we are reviewing and talking about Star Wars here. And considering, I personally thought the last 2 movies they put out were good (The Force Awakens and Rogue One). Yes I see the comparison between the island "training" and Dagobah. But Luke and Yoda did actual training. Where and what point did Rey and Luke actually do any type of training besides Luke moping around feeling sorry for him self and just a bitter old hermit (wow, what a great way to really lead this abysmal story). So your explanation behind why Snoke, and Capt Phasma not Plasma is because their were too many villains, umm ok. Both of those "main lead" characters offered absolutely nothing to ponder or even care about. Where Vader and the Emperor had a much more rich story line and history. Im sorry sorry but Snoke needs to left at the Lord of the Rings set as he looks like a really bad version of an Orc.

                          Canto Bight was the biggest waste of time and story telling...the whole idea was horrible. For the stupid Large eared horses to the whole casino and police chase. And did absolutely nothing to help with this pathetic story. Where as the Millennium Falcon had to hide in what they thought was a cave on a huge asteroid to evade/hide from the empire that was hot on their a$$. But come to find out there was a large Space Worm in there and actually offered some form of entertainment. Such a BAD STAR WARS Movie, probably one of the worst...so enjoy the rest of this pathetic story line that Rian Johnson has wiped his a$$ with.

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                          • #73
                            My bad it was green milk.... Now they can have multiple milk colors at SWGE!!!!! Sooooo clever of them to milk this as much as they can!


                            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/201...zarre-milking/

                            These are some of my favorite TRs I have posted

                            DL 55th BDAY trip report
                            My company had a special night at the park
                            WdW trip report with WWoHP
                            NYE 2011 trip report
                            Mice Chat 7th anniversary
                            Leap year 24 hour report
                            New DCA trip report
                            NYE 2012
                            HKDL trip report

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Darth Scottie View Post
                              . (submit Big Bang Theory episode on Indiana Jones)
                              Off topic, but - Sheldon was WRONG! If Indy wasn't present when the Ark was opened, surely the Nazi's after not receiving radio contact for a few weeks would have eventually sent back up to that island, recovered the Ark and it would be in their hands. Thanks to Indy for bringing it back to America to be put into a giant warehouse. Lawrence Kasdan knows how to write a script!!

                              Speaking of Kasdan and to bring myself On Topic, I think his absence in screenwriting is part of the reason why this movie didnt make sense to a lot of star wars fans. Say what you will about his re-use of elements from A New Hope, I liked the characters in TFA a lot more then their interpretations in TLJ. This was a very different movie, the type that if you aren't able to just "go with it" regarding the approach, it doesn't work. I was able to go with the narrative on it, and theres ALOT i would do differently:

                              1. Leia dies in outer space, Kylo tries to save her but fails. This would've required either a CGI'd Leia ala Rogue One, or a double with heavy makeup. OR


                              2. Instead of the chick with the purple hair (The character herself was not memorable enough for me to remember her name) flying the ship through Snoke's ship, Leia makes the sacrifice.

                              3. Instead of the purple haired chick even existing in the firstplace, replace her character with Captain Lando Calrissean

                              4. Instead of FIn and Rose going to Canto Bight, send Fin and Poe. After the opening scene all Poe had to do was the failed mutiny, then he just sort of stood around on a ship with that look on his face like he needed to use the restroom

                              5.Focus more on the "real bad guys", aka the people who profit from both sides of the war. This could be a lead into a major narrative change for the trilogy. Instead of Episode 9 just being "oh we have to take out Kylo Ren and General Hux" Kylo Ren, in his attempt to "Let the past die" could literally "kill the past" by changing his focus on taking out the crony Rich companys that were profiting from both sides of the war after he finds out the company he gives contracts to, also helps the resistance. Both Luke, and a Anakin ghost played by Hayden Christenson brings Kylo back to the light side and is a major ally in this conflict. Benicio Del Torro's character is actually a double agent and is the CEO of the biggest weapons company making all of these crazy profits, having absolutely zero connection to the Force but instead his power is his wealth.

                              6. Completely reverse the roles of Luke and Leia in the last act of the movie. Leia dies after the Astryal projection, and Luke starts properly training Leia and starts a new Jedi order.

                              7. Fin should've been able to complete his sacrifice at the end.

                              I could really go on and on here, but overall I'd say i'm somewhere in the middle between the people who are foaming at the mouth in agony over this one, and the fewer people that really loved it.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by mp3piratesavvy View Post
                                1. Leia dies in outer space, Kylo tries to save her but fails. This would've required either a CGI'd Leia ala Rogue One, or a double with heavy makeup. OR

                                2. Instead of the chick with the purple hair (The character herself was not memorable enough for me to remember her name) flying the ship through Snoke's ship, Leia makes the sacrifice.

                                6. Completely reverse the roles of Luke and Leia in the last act of the movie. Leia dies after the Astryal projection, and Luke starts properly training Leia and starts a new Jedi order.
                                If they had rewroted it to Leia dying, then the Luke's and Leia's reunion scene would have to be rewritten, re-shot, or scrapped entirely. The scene redeems Luke, with Leia forgiving him for Kylo's turn.Removing thiswould loose a good emotional chunk of the story.
                                Fans were also not happy with the CGI stand ins for Rogue One, and that was made and released BEFORE she passed away.

                                While I can see why the "Leia's flight" could be seen as ridiculous, I still feel like there some of the fandom who hated it, because it showed Leia can use the force. And for whatever reason, that is seen as a taboo.

                                I will admit, that I was dispointed that Lando was not in the movie. Unless they are going to reveal in IX, that Finn is Lando's long lost son and there is an emotional reunion, it seem odd to exclude him.

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